Pochettino or Mourinho?

[Ronwol196061]

Poch totally missed the quality of Tanganga.He showed well in pre season and should have seen his quality in training. In his one Tanganga showed us all he can play with the best.

The other thing is the press conferences. Pochs view is his glorious system is everything and his philosophy. I think he was stuck. Mourinho is much more real and much more honest in his assessments. I think Mourinho has the capacity to evolve and he says it like it is not a dream in his own head.He is a pragmatist. Poch wanted to create something going forward more but wasn't sure how to do that even we signed attacking players. In the Bayern game for instance he played NDombele well and he was making things happen but he had Winks alone as the DM with no cover when we went forward and Winks wasn't strong enough,while we were attacking in the first half it was great but Bayern on the counter killed us late in the first half we needed more balance in defence and he left Winks exposed. I don't blame Ndombele I blame Poch for not undersanding the situation and maybe keeping Sissoko or whoever back there too

 

[Dougal]

You didn't start the thread so wasn't referring to you as you didn't start the thread.

I understand some don't like Jose and some wanted Poch to be given time to rebuild. As it appears he lost the dressing room I disagree Poch was the man for the rebuild but no problem with people having the opposite view.

The thread was poorly timed and a little unnecessary but no real issue.

I’m just saying, we’re out there, unhappy with the appointment, win, lose or draw. Bugger all we can do. But still not happy with the direction taken and not talking with hindsight when it does all go pear shaped.

But of course that will be after the wheelbarrow full of trophies so we will be less bitter by then.

And Poch lost a dressing room he wanted rid of. It was just the easier option to get rid of him first.

 

[King of Otters]

Shit and utterly pointless thread. Mourinho is our manager and deserves at least a full year before we start comparing him to a guy who had 5 to implement his vision.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Shit and utterly pointless thread. Mourinho is our manager and deserves at least a full year before we start comparing him to a guy who had 5 to implement his vision.

Agree, but just to add i think he deserves more than a year, he deserves the time it takes for him to get the players he wants in,1 year ,2 or 3 .

 

[Dougal]

Shit and utterly pointless thread. Mourinho is our manager and deserves at least a full year before we start comparing him to a guy who had 5 to implement his vision.

You don’t think his vision was achieved in some way? Champions League regulars with a restricted transfer system. People are writing him off because there were no trophies. It’s ridiculous. As is the assumption that a section of Spurs fans should be silent just because a decision was taken that is disagreed with. This is a discussion forum with plenty of other threads.

 

[King of Otters]

You don’t think his vision was achieved in some way? Champions League regulars with a restricted transfer system. People are writing him off because there were no trophies. It’s ridiculous. As is the assumption that a section of Spurs fans should be silent just because a decision was taken that is disagreed with. This is a discussion forum with plenty of other threads.

I wasn’t suggesting that Poch failed to implement his vision, quite the opposite. He was successful beyond what any of could have imagined when he was appointed. The point is that didn’t happen overnight, and won’t for Mourinho either. It’s a pointless comparison.

 

[Dougal]

I wasn’t suggesting that Poch failed to implement his vision, quite the opposite. He was successful beyond what any of could have imagined when he was appointed. The point is that didn’t happen overnight, and won’t for Mourinho either. It’s a pointless comparison.

I won’t be comparing the two. We’ve taken a completely different course. Mourinho won’t be here in 5 years. In my opinion he’s a stop gap until we start the ‘painful rebuild’ someone mentioned we needed. He won’t be the one to implement it. Probably just do more damage. In my opinion. Plenty of humble pie when all the trophies arrive.

 

[King of Otters]

I won’t be comparing the two. We’ve taken a completely different course. Mourinho won’t be here in 5 years. In my opinion he’s a stop gap until we start the ‘painful rebuild’ someone mentioned we needed. He won’t be the one to implement it. Probably just do more damage. In my opinion. Plenty of humble pie when all the trophies arrive.

He may not be here in 5 years, but he needs to be here longer than two fucking months before anyone starts comparing the two.

 

[thelak]

Unless Mourinho gets a lot more out of the existing group of players - so far no

then almost no point in comparing the two as Mourinho will have taken over a squad at a completely different point to the one Poch STARTED with

the only valid comparison is an apples to apples one and so far with broadly the same group of players there has been no tangible improvement

what Mourinho does in 3 years is therefore clearly going to be a function of being backed in the transfer market - in my view that will have to be to an extent that Poch never was - so again comparisons will be pointless (unless Mourinho somehow wins lots of trophies carefully balancing the books with no net spend....errrr)

 

[Spurslove]

Poch was our best manager in decades. However he has now gone and we got Jose in. Jose now needs time and needs to get his players in. Btw, im well happy with Jose and today he produced a tactical masterclass. If only Son or GLC scored

That's the key. If any of our 'strikers' could have hit a cow's arse with a cricket bat last night, we'd have won that, and broken Liverpool's incredible run. Story of our season.

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[gaffers]

Knowing what we now know who would you prefer to be in charge now?
Poch or Jose?

You need professional help

 

[thelak]

That's the key. If any of our 'strikers' could have hit a cow's arse with a cricket bat last night, we'd have won that, and broken Liverpool's incredible run. Story of our season.

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coulda woulda shoulda unfortunately

If only x had done y

story of our last 5 years

 

[Gb160]

Plenty of humble pie when all the trophies arrive.

I know you're just being facetious but surely everyone can see we have a much greater chance of silverware with Jose.

It's just relieving to be able to watch a coherent manager in press conferences, and not flirting like a cheap tart with other jobs.

 

[dondo]

You need professional help

What?? You need to lighten up bud

 

[Spurs 1961]

If Levy had any sense he would call Poch today and offer him his job back. Then clear out the players he doesn’t want and buy players he wants not the usual end up getting 4th or 5th choices.

Four points from our last five games and awful football sums up where we are.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Pochettino was brilliant for us but he wasn't backed in the transfer market.

Klopp and Guardiola were heavily backed and we've seen the results.

We'll never know what Pochettino could have done and it's over now. He's not coming back and we have to back Mourinho 100%.

What I hope (but doubt) is that's it's now crystal clear and widely accepted that it is the player recruitment and not the Managers which mainly contribute to the success on the pitch.

There's little difference hiring all these different coaches if you interfere on who they buy. You get a jumble mess of players who don't fit together into a team.

What I would love to see is more loyalty to our Managers.

 

[Ronwol196061]

If Levy had any sense he would call Poch today and offer him his job back. Then clear out the players he doesn’t want and buy players he wants not the usual end up getting 4th or 5th choices.

Four points from our last five games and awful football sums up where we are.

We have played like crap under Poch this year for the most part and so many of the games last year too.
His system was dying with lack of creativity.
The difference is Poch was stuck I dont think Mourinho is

 

[Ronwol196061]

Pochettino was brilliant for us but he wasn't backed in the transfer market.

Klopp and Guardiola were heavily backed and we've seen the results.

We'll never know what Pochettino could have done and it's over now. He's not coming back and we have to back Mourinho 100%.

What I hope (but doubt) is that's it's not crystal clear that it is the player recruitment and not the Managers which mainly contribute to the success on the pitch.

There's little difference hiring all these different coaches if you interfere on who they buy. You get a jumble mess of players who don't fit together into a team.

What I would love to see is more loyalty to our Managers.

I would like to see brave managers. Managers that can speak thruths at pressers,managers that can speak truth to the power of the owner as actually ask for what they need to be successful and if they don't get a reasonable solution then leave. I like managers that take responsibility as Mourinho did in his games,specially when he took off Dier when he saw his tactics were not working in the 22nd minute. Not a manager who lives and dies with his one idea as if he is master of the universe.

 

[thelak]

Pochettino was brilliant for us but he wasn't backed in the transfer market.

Klopp and Guardiola were heavily backed and we've seen the results.

We'll never know what Pochettino could have done and it's over now. He's not coming back and we have to back Mourinho 100%.

What I hope (but doubt) is that's it's not crystal clear that it is the player recruitment and not the Managers which mainly contribute to the success on the pitch.

There's little difference hiring all these different coaches if you interfere on who they buy. You get a jumble mess of players who don't fit together into a team.

What I would love to see is more loyalty to our Managers.

loyalty or an awareness of the limitations they are working under relative to their competitors

100% it’s recruitment. City had an ageing defence and woeful full backs in Guardiolas first season and came 4th. Not too different to our team now except they had more fire power up front

He was massively backed and we know what happened but if he had been told make do with that squad and you can Have a 1 in 1 put policy and wages below what the best teams are payi g in offer he clearly wouldn’t have won what he did

Of course the manager needs to use the players correctly and plays a part in recruitment

but you can’t polish a turd

Jose will only win trophies if he is backed - and when he is backed makes the right calls about Who we get. But he has to be backed to have a chance

 

[Ronwol196061]

loyalty or an awareness of the limitations they are working under relative to their competitors

100% it’s recruitment. City had an ageing defence and woeful full backs in Guardiolas first season and came 4th. Not too different to our team now except they had more fire power up front

He was massively backed and we know what happened but if he had been told make do with that squad and you can Have a 1 in 1 put policy and wages below what the best teams are payi g in offer he clearly wouldn’t have won what he did

Of course the manager needs to use the players correctly and plays a part in recruitment

but you can’t polish a turd

Jose will only win trophies if he is backed - and when he is backed makes the right calls I. Who we get. But he had to be backed to have a chance

Kane,Dele,Moura,Son,Ndombele,Toby,LLoris,Lo Celso,Winks are these turds?????