Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[CowInAComa]

Saying all that though I am hoping for a big response tonight, if he gets a start. The guy has (quite rightly) been both hammered and ridiculed over the last few days, if that doesn't light a fire under you and get you going and determined to come out and show what you can do, then what will?

I kind of hope he saw the press and Jose laughing at him.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Agreed with the above, will be standing in the cold tonight and hoping he turns out a performance, but as I said previously, I wont hammer him for a poor performance as long as he busts a gut.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I think he has picked up an injury (Like Lamela at the beginning of his Spurs life) that has had a severe consequence on his training/physical attributes.

Look at his season as a whole:

10th August 219 - plays 90 against Villa and scoress and we win
17th August 2019 - plays 90 away at City and gets an assist

After missing 2 matches - In the next 12 matches (apart from Colchester where he wasnt involved) he played 45 minutes or more in 9 of them.

Poch is sacked, Mourinho is brought in - 19th/20th Novemeber.

Ndomebele then misses a game and then only plays 7 minutes of our CL tie against Olympiacos. He then is selected in the next league match where he plays 75 minutes.

Since then he has only featured in 9 matches out of 20. And only played over 45 minutes in 3 of those games.

It's clear that an issue has occurred at the end of November/ early December. Personally I think it is unfair at this stage to just say he can't be bothered and is a fatty.

 

[double0]

Let's be honest the video did him no favours. He tried to get back but it looked like fitness was an issue.

People will rightly ask questions also one has to appreciate the speed and skill of the Wolves player (nobody seems willing to appraise) understandably from a Tottenham point of view.

At least he didn't walk back with increased fitness and understanding it turns to runs and sprints.

The shame will further focus him hopefully.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I think he has picked up an injury (Like Lamela at the beginning of his Spurs life) that has had a severe consequence on his training/physical attributes.

Look at his season as a whole:

10th August 219 - plays 90 against Villa and scoress and we win
17th August 2019 - plays 90 away at City and gets an assist

After missing 2 matches - In the next 12 matches (apart from Colchester where he wasnt involved) he played 45 minutes or more in 9 of them.

Poch is sacked, Mourinho is brought in - 19th/20th Novemeber.

Ndomebele then misses a game and then only plays 7 minutes of our CL tie against Olympiacos. He then is selected in the next league match where he plays 75 minutes.

Since then he has only featured in 9 matches out of 20. And only played over 45 minutes in 3 of those games.

It's clear that an issue has occurred at the end of November/ early December. Personally I think it is unfair at this stage to just say he can't be bothered and is a fatty.

According to Jose he has been completely injury free since the end of January. And has been working on 'global fitness'. He still comes on and doesn't look bothered. You're looking for the positives, and as with a lot of things those stats are skewing things in whichever favour one would want them to.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

According to Jose he has been completely injury free since the end of January. And has been working on 'global fitness'. He still comes on and doesn't look bothered. You're looking for the positives, and as with a lot of things those stats are skewing things in whichever favour one would want them to.

Basically what I am saying is that up until the latter half of November, Ndomebele was contributing to our team, involved in the majority of our matches. Looking very lively on the ball and influencing our team (though not to the degree he is probably capable of and he wasn't regularly completing 90 minutes but was more often than not playing 45 minutes plus).

Since the end of November, that hasn't been the case.

I find it hard to believe 'not being bothered' is the only reason for the change in playing time and effectiveness. And as ever we over simplify shit because of a visible incident. Like with Lamela - he had a serious injury but most were saying 'he's a pussy' / 'He doesn't want to be here' / 'His dog died - get over it' / 'He's a druggie'. Because we didn't know the actual story.

 

[CowInAComa]

Working on his 'Global fitness' to me suggests there isn't one aspect of his lifestyle that befits his employment as a professional athlete.

It's just a nonsense term that means everything you would naturally expect of a modern top flight footballer. Lifestyle, application, diet, routine. Just what every other footballer in the prem manages without needing it to be spelt out.

It's not an excuse it's a damnation.

 

[EZSpur]

We're only having this conversation because right now the team is screaming out for a world class saviour.

Having watched the Wolves game again, it's really noticeable how the team is lacking in confidence.
None of the old guard - Dele, Moura, Toby, Jan, are stepping up and so it's all falling on the new boys, in particular Lo Celso and Ndomobele.

Ordinarily they'd probably get a little more time - but then again big money transfers usually demand good performances (...look at Bruno.....sorry!).

My only concern with Ndomobele is his perceived lack of fitness.
I simply can't comprehend how this is possible! He's a professional footballer and he passed a medical, with a PL team, at £60M!!

I get it that he might struggle with the pace of the PL but that shouldn't stop him from running his ass off.
If he really is unfit to play no longer than 60 mins then that's a massive alarm bell.
Look at Gedson - he hasn't made a big impact yet but at least he puts a shift in.

For all Ndomobele's talent and technical ability - it doesn't justify the rest of the team having to carry him.

 

[double0]

Not being bothered isn't the case as mentioned above.

I believe he'll come good in the long run however prior people will have their say and spin on Ndombele, he has a challenging road ahead to turn peoples opinion and soon stereotype of him.

Personally even with that damming video I would keep playing him from the start so to build up his confidence fitness and second wind. There's quality in those boots.

 

[yankspurs]

His fitness is a joke. And that video has done him no favors. There is massive quality in there but clearly he’ll be sold in the summer. Mourinho doesnt rate him and he does himself no favors to change the managers mind. Poch getting sacked was it for him.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Saying all that though I am hoping for a big response tonight, if he gets a start. The guy has (quite rightly) been both hammered and ridiculed over the last few days, if that doesn't light a fire under you and get you going and determined to come out and show what you can do, then what will?

Exactly. It’s a blessing in disguise. I’m sure Jose will show him the clip and ask him if that’s how he wants to be portrayed at Spurs. If he has anything about him then he’ll want to prove the doubters wrong tonight.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Not being bothered isn't the case as mentioned above.

I believe he'll come good in the long run however prior people will have their say and spin on Ndombele, he has a challenging road ahead to turn peoples opinion and soon stereotype of him.

Personally even with that damming video I would keep playing him from the start so to build up his confidence fitness and second wind. There's quality in those boots.

I don’t get this. He’s a huge detriment to the team shape. Opposition will just set up to press and overload areas of the pitch he operates knowing he’ll make only token attempts to win the ball back. Until he’s can at least put a shift in it’s too much of a risk to start him.

 

[double0]

I don’t get this. He’s a huge detriment to the team shape. Opposition will just set up to press and overload areas of the pitch he operates knowing he’ll make only token attempts to win the ball back. Until he’s can at least put a shift in it’s too much of a risk to start him.

What don't you get. Yes a lot of football is about running but the finner details is all about quality. This team lacks quality and Mourinho should adjust the tactics to accommodate Ndombele ie play a 3 man midfield. Before you disagree Mourinho has done this to accommodate Aurier who has improved.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

What don't you get. Yes a lot of football is about running but the finner details is all about quality. This team lacks quality and Mourinho should adjust the tactics to accommodate Ndombele ie play a 3 man midfield. Before you disagree Mourinho has done this to accommodate Aurier and has improved.

I don’t get that you’re advocating leaving holes in the team to accommodate a player who is simply being asked to run more. If Mourinho is trying to implement a culture where at the very least players work hard for the team then mollycoddling one player is going to be to the detriment of the team dynamic and harmony.

I’m not sure what Aurier has to do with anything. He works hard enough but just isn’t very good.

 

[Toast]

That's the beauty of a forum, we can argue about opinions without needing to.

fixed

 

[double0]

I don’t get that you’re advocating leaving holes in the team to accommodate a player who is simply being asked to run more. If Mourinho is trying to implement a culture where at the very least players work hard for the team then mollycoddling one player is going to be to the detriment of the team dynamic and harmony.

I’m not sure what Aurier has to do with anything. He works hard enough but just isn’t very good.

I gave Aurier as an example that tactics can be adjusted to accommodate his qualities going forward...is that not understood?

Another example. Harry Kane in the past has played games not fully match fit but for his qualities was played and allowed games to get up to match fitness.

Ndombele imo clearly needs match fitness which is a different sort of fitness ( pretty sure you know the difference)

 

[Vincent30]

Unfortunately desire isn't something you can train. For someone who has had limited minutes to come on and not be buzzing about the place trying to make an impression, considering that person is our record signing, kinda sucks.

Really hoping he turns it around and someone ignites some fire inside him. The premier league doesn't take passengers who only come alive when the ball is at their feet.

 

[cozzo]

Not being bothered isn't the case as mentioned above.

I believe he'll come good in the long run however prior people will have their say and spin on Ndombele, he has a challenging road ahead to turn peoples opinion and soon stereotype of him.

Personally even with that damming video I would keep playing him from the start so to build up his confidence fitness and second wind. There's quality in those boots.

I think the video is mischievous. You could probably find a similar video on any player during a season.

 

[CowInAComa]

He doesn't deserve a start. Not on form or effort.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't start tonight because frankly it is an appalling message to send to the rest of the squad and can't do much for squad harmony. They will all be aware of that clip too I'm sure.

Don't bother or put any effort in,and get a starting spot? Nah. Not for me. If he wanted a start he had the cameo to show Jose how much he wants and deserves it - instead his comic lack of effort spawned a fucking meme. Starting him is bad precedent and will lose the dressing room if not managed carefully.

 

[N'Obody]

The only way he can go now is up. Everyone seems to be on his case now.
It's a matter of time with him.
He's got all the money he could dream of currently. Just wait till he gets bored of the money and starts knuckling down on his football.

He's young and making alot of money. It's alot for a young person to take in general and sometimes enjoying the luxuries of life can be a distraction temporarily. However he will get over this phase, this season is a write off either way.

I just hope he gets enough game time for the remainder of the season to at least find his role in the team and get to know his other team mates runs and movement too.

Next season he will shine with big brother sissoko by his side in training. Let's hope sissoko can influence him to copy his fitness training during the summer.