Next Manager Watch

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Fuck me you sound like you are going through a crisis.
Have a Bex and a lie down mate.

This an outrageously offensive and abusive comment.

You can think of me what you like.

But accusing me of drinking Becks is clearly crossing a fucking line.

 

[Harrier]

To be fair we tried the big serial winner mangers route in Conte and Jose and look how that turned out.

So let’s go to the other extreme of the spectrum and see if that works out!

 

[TimNiceButDim]

To expand on/simplify this:

2004-2004 - Santini - boring personality, boring football = failure
2004-2007 - Jol - warm and likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2007-2008 - Ramos - boring personality (albeit partly due to language barrier), boring football, bad results = cup win but failure in the league and overall given the length of tenure
2008-2012 - Redknapp - likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2012-2013 - AVB - okish personality but hardly hugely galvanising, boring football = did okish
2014-2019 - Poch - warm and likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2019-2021 - Mourinho - not likeable personality, boring football = failure
2021-2021 - Nuno - not likeable personality, boring football = failure
2021-2023 - Conte - not likeable personality, boring football = failure

The correlation and conditions for a Manager to be 'success' at Tottenham is pretty clear.

This is why I thought Slot would be perfect and its why I think Big Ange could be a very good option.

Ahem!

2013 - 2014 - Tim - very likeable, exciting football = massive success & top top geezer

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Ahem!

2013 - 2014 - Tim - very likeable, exciting football = massive success & top top geezer

Good point and GOAT Spurs Manager win %!
#belikeTim

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Celtic have apparently offered Ange a new contract which would make him the highest-paid manager in their history. According to one of their ITKs

Kerrydale Street-Ange Postecoglou Thread || Current stage of grief: Seeing your Ex's holiday photos on facebook

I can understand the ridicule tbh I can see how people would think it's a bit much. I just don't think it would be good to have a guy who is a cert

kerrydalestreet.co.uk

Shouldn’t come as a shock that they would want to do that. Would be more worrying if they were packing his bags for him.
In reality i can see why he may think about staying. He’s building something, may want to see it through. Won the double in his first season, possible treble this year. He may feel as though with two years worth of foundations built, this summer would be fine tuning to try and make more of an assault on Europe from a decent foundation now.
However, at 57, how many more opportunities will he have to go to the highest profile league in the world, at a club in the capital, with a world class stadium and training facilities, plus a truly world class striker.
What does intrigue me, is in the media they are portraying Ange as the outright favourite, but also saying we have been talking to/about Luis Enrique this week, especially after the comments from Napoli about him wanting PL primarily. Suggests we have are keeping a standby very close.
If it was Ange announced next week, I’d be ok. If he commits to stay at Celtic, and we get Luis Enrique, I’d be ok. But until someone is announced, I’m still hoping Nagelsmann comes in out go leftfield, especially after mentions we were still looking at the Bayern DoF.

 

[TOMSPURS]

Regarding Ange P dismal record in Europe, think it's important to add a little context;

A couple of weeks in charge of Celtic, his 1st & 2nd competitive games were champions league playoffs against a Danish team, which they lost by a goal over 2 legs.
Cetic then knocked out AZ in the europa playoff to get into a group with Bayer Leverkusen & Real Betis. Finished 3rd on 9pts, 1 off Betis.
Celtic played Bodo Glimt in conference league, lost 1st leg 3-1 at parkhead after dominating possession, chances, corners etc.. done on the break. Put out weakened team in 2nd leg & lost 2 nil.

He was questioned by the press about going head to head with Madrid & RB this season.
1st reason he said that playing a low block & giving quality teams 80% possession wouldn't work for his team, quality teams will punish you. Losing 1 nil is still a defeat.
2nd & most importantly, telling his players to compromise & give up the principles of attacking football he drilled & demanded, would undermine the work done & potentially undermine their confidence in him.

He agreed tactically he made some mistakes & that his players realised the huge step up from Scottish football. His belief is that by pushing themselves each year, keep their attacking principles, they will improve collectively & close the gap to the very top teams in Europe. Dare to dream.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Alternatively:
Santini - won very few games
Jol - won quite a few (considering where we were)
Ramos - won a cup but not a lot else
Redknapp - got us up the table and competing - ie won a lot (considering . . .)


I think you can see where I'm going with this.

Yes, I think a unifying personality is important but the overwhelmingly top thing needed is to have success, which is of course relative. I loved Poch and the sense of belonging that he brought, but would it have been enough by itself if we weren't competing at the top and indeed getting to a CL final - probably not.

Cynical but true.

Yes ofc results are important that is obvious but its the overall combination of the Managers personality, commitment to the club, relationship with the fans, style of play and results.

Conte and Jose's results weren't terrible but overall both tenures were seen really as a drain and a failure.

 

[beats1]

Jol had 8 years in the Dutch league and won one dutch cup, such experience lead him to the position of assistant manager, that doesn't surpass what Ange has achieved.

Don't rewrite history.

You're right but Levy refused to hire Jol because of that lack of experience and at the time we were a mid table club with a lot of crap players, who weren't even thinking we could get in to the CL

This is a very different situation

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

That's harsh on Nuno. He might've been boring (and out of his depth), but there was nothing to suggest he was anything like Mourinho or Conte.

Nuno was more boring than Conte and Jose, he was lifeless, he did 30 second awkward interviews and spent most of the time just stroking his beard as we had 5 in defence 5 up front and a huge gaping hole in the middle of the pitch, barely any posession and generally looked awful bar the first 3-4 games of his tenure.

Point remains, good likeable galvanising personality + attacking entertaining style of play + half decent results and signs of an improving project = happy fans and 'success'

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Weirdly I think Ange's name is a large factor in people blindly deciding they don't want him.

Ange Postecoglou sounds like one of those 'non-elite'/'non-sexy' names and I bet a lot of people can't even pronounce his surname.

Now I like both Ange and Gallardo, but I reckon if each of them had the other's name there would be a lot more positivity towards Ange in here in the same way there is currently for Gallardo.

I for one really want Ange to come and am excited to see what he can do for us.

This is not true.

The prejudicial reason people don't want Ange is the unacceptable risk that we could have an Australian manager and lose the Ashes.

@aussiespursguy would be unbearable.

 

[TimNiceButDim]

Good point and GOAT Spurs Manager win %!
#belikeTim

Finally, someone talking sense in this thread.. you get a salute!

 

[Hotspur33]

Shouldn’t come as a shock that they would want to do that. Would be more worrying if they were packing his bags for him.
In reality i can see why he may think about staying. He’s building something, may want to see it through. Won the double in his first season, possible treble this year. He may feel as though with two years worth of foundations built, this summer would be fine tuning to try and make more of an assault on Europe from a decent foundation now.
However, at 57, how many more opportunities will he have to go to the highest profile league in the world, at a club in the capital, with a world class stadium and training facilities, plus a truly world class striker.
What does intrigue me, is in the media they are portraying Ange as the outright favourite, but also saying we have been talking to/about Luis Enrique this week, especially after the comments from Napoli about him wanting PL primarily. Suggests we have are keeping a standby very close.
If it was Ange announced next week, I’d be ok. If he commits to stay at Celtic, and we get Luis Enrique, I’d be ok. But until someone is announced, I’m still hoping Nagelsmann comes in out go leftfield, especially after mentions we were still looking at the Bayern DoF.

If he wins the treble this season, I can’t see what else there is for him to realistically achieve? Maybe conference league or at a real push europa league?

 

[beats1]

Regarding Ange P dismal record in Europe, think it's important to add a little context;

A couple of weeks in charge of Celtic, his 1st & 2nd competitive games were champions league playoffs against a Danish team, which they lost by a goal over 2 legs.
Cetic then knocked out AZ in the europa playoff to get into a group with Bayer Leverkusen & Real Betis. Finished 3rd on 9pts, 1 off Betis.
Celtic played Bodo Glimt in conference league, lost 1st leg 3-1 at parkhead after dominating possession, chances, corners etc.. done on the break. Put out weakened team in 2nd leg & lost 2 nil.

He was questioned by the press about going head to head with Madrid & RB this season.
1st reason he said that playing a low block & giving quality teams 80% possession wouldn't work for his team, quality teams will punish you. Losing 1 nil is still a defeat.
2nd & most importantly, telling his players to compromise & give up the principles of attacking football he drilled & demanded, would undermine the work done & potentially undermine their confidence in him.

He agreed tactically he made some mistakes & that his players realised the huge step up from Scottish football. His belief is that by pushing themselves each year, keep their attacking principles, they will improve collectively & close the gap to the very top teams in Europe. Dare to dream.

Also worth noting his predecessor and competitors have done better in europe

Compare that to
Van Bronkhurst took Rangers to Europa League Final
Rodgers took Celtics to Europa League twice after getting knocked out in Champions League, losing to Valencia and Zenit. He also finished 2nd in a group with Salzburg and Leipzig knocking out Nagelsmann a year before he knocked us out of the CL
Lennon finished top of a group including Cluj, Rennes and Lazio.
Rodgers also got 3 points in a group with Man City, Barcelona and Munchengladbach. So harder group but got more points
Rodgers got Europa League finishing 3rd in a group with PSG, Bayern Munich and Anderlecht

Rodgers imo is a better option than Ange, but because of his baggage and him being a tit people would be angry at his appointment

 

[makeveli]

Forget the managers - How about 20
Years of levy failures his a serial failure a failure of failures you can’t get any more failures

 

[Hotspur33]

Saints 2 -4 Newcastle
Saints 1-2 QPR
Saints 0-3 West Brom
Saints 0-1 Norwich
Saints 1-3 Chelsea
Saints 0-1 Tottenham (AVB tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Tottenham x 2 (sherwood tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Villa
Saints 1-2 Everton
Saints 0- 3 Chelsea
Saints 1-3 West Ham
Saints 0-3 Liverpool
Saints 1-4 City
Saints 0-1 Cardiff

That is a selection of what I would say are either bad results or bee. comfortably beaten by the bigger boys from Poch's reign of just 18 months at Southampton.

He did beat Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United in that period but they did have some poor results.

Another stat was that they never recovered a deficit at HT and also blew a few leads in his time there.

Yet under Poch, Tottenham rarely surrendered leads, they would not face as many shock or poor results.

Why am I bringing this up?

Well, sometimes it's easy to get caught up in facts like "Ange was abysmal in Europe", that can be a concern.

But sometimes it really is simply down to the quality you have on the field.

Poch didn't have Vertonghen, Walker and Toby at Southampton.

Nor did he have a Harry Kane.

Is it possible that with Kane, Bissouma, Romero a new GK and CB, Ange's teams are much more prepared to overcome strong opposition? Like Poch was?

I’m not going to pretend that I’ll be ecstatic about the appointment of Ange. However, for me, the most important thing any incoming manager has to do, is give this squad some confidence. I do believe we have some talent in the squad. We do need to strengthen in a few areas for sure.
But if Ange can bring with him, momentum he has built and a positive can do attitude, then maybe it’ll work out.
I’m not writing him off

 

[muppetman]

Yes ofc results are important that is obvious but its the overall combination of the Managers personality, commitment to the club, relationship with the fans, style of play and results.

Conte and Jose's results weren't terrible but overall both tenures were seen really as a drain and a failure.

Because of the way they ended - in poor performances and really bad results, not because they were grumpy buggers.

 

[Hotspur33]

I agree, which to me when we are on our last chance to hang on to Kane,we need to show some ambition.

Kane has always said he will stay if we continue to progress.

Ange may turn out well, but on the face on it when the likes of JN are available signing him is not showing that ambition.

As fans we can talk ourselves around, big him up, love his videos and convince ourselves he is the next best thing, but players are different. Their careers are limited and whether we like it or not signing Ange is not a statement signing.

If people are fine to lose our one world class player and position ourselves alongside the likes of Brighton as they nearly signed him them great. But let's be honest as nice as Brightons football is as well run as they are they arent going to be challenging for the title and that's what World class players want to be doing.

With no Europe next season, it MIGHT just be the best chance in years for us to win one of the domestic cups. What if Ange comes in and we win the league cup? That might convince Kane to stay?

 

[S17PUR]

Does Postecoglou like his teams to play out from the back? We've heard a lot about his high press, but I'm not overly familiar with the build up play - and I always considered that Joe Hart wasn't brilliant with the ball at his feet (so much so that one of Pep's first acts as City boss was to get rid).

 

[Aleks]

and i know its skin deep but i wish we wern't going to have a manager who looks like he gets into fights in carvery car parks on sundays

Admit it, the 4 of you that disliked this fight in carvery car parks on sundays

 

[chas vs dave]

Forget the managers - How about 20
Years of levy failures his a serial failure a failure of failures you can’t get any more failures

There's a thread for that. Not this one.

Also it hasn't all been failure. If it was all failures, we'd probably be in a much lower devision