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Whitey

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Fucking sick of this obsession with pleasing Kane. We can't be making footballing decisions to placate one player. Other clubs have done that and it never ends well.
One more season works for me really, I'd like him to sign. Your right, we should be able to grow as club with or without Kane... Levy!!! That's while different story.
 

robotsonic

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He managed in Europe with Celtic. CELTIC. What are you expecting? Him to beat the Real Madrids home and away or something? And this past season especially when the group stage was even more tightly packed than normal. I would have expected them to get beat by Madrid and Leipzig. He drew both games v Shakhtar who are notoriously tough opponents themselves.

He isn't going to have the quality to tackle Europe and the league is he? Maybe with better players here he'd have a better record?
I don't know what some of this stuff is trying to prove out in all honesty. One minute the SPL is League One standard and that's apparently therefore of no value to judge the bloke on, and the next minute the results in Europe aren't good enough either. Well...what do you expect from a League One standard squad :whistle:
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Because of the way they ended - in poor performances and really bad results, not because they were grumpy buggers.
That added to it, its all related.

The fact that Jose was bitching and whining every press conference was not helpful and Conte even worse making out he was doing us a favour and never committing properly to the club and project.

It is all relevant.
 

spursfan77

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If the players have any doubts in him they only need to pick up the phone to Joe Hart. These quotes are full of praise.

Celtic are the 10th club Hart has played for, having had several loan spells during his time at City, and Postecoglou has made a major impression on him.

Hart played for Roberto Mancini and Manuel Pellegrini in Manchester.

“He is top, he is really, really good,” the 36-year-old said. “He is really clear in what he wants and the biggest buzz for me is I am playing for someone who is pushing me and I am learning new things every single day.

“I’m an old dog in this game and the fact that I am having to do that and stay on my toes and still want more and trying to improve is a great feeling. It makes me feel alive.

“It’s great to constantly be pushed and get results from it. It’s all very well, there are plenty of managers out there who will push and it doesn’t necessarily work, or players don’t adapt. Credit to the players and staff, we have been able to pull in the same direction and get results.

“I love being part of that. I have played in different teams that have been successful. Identity in football has always been there, but in terms of having a real way of playing, this is the first time I have been part of a team with a real way of playing.

“We live and die by it. I love that opportunity. There’s been many coaches and managers I’m sure out there who say, ‘Look, this is how I want you to play and, if it doesn’t (work), it’s on me’. I have heard that many times.

“But I genuinely feel comfortable making risky passes, short passes, and if someone does miss a pass or a tackle and the ball goes in, I don’t think any of us would even flinch because that’s what we are being asked to do.

“We believe what we have been asked to do and we are enjoying trying to be better at it.”

The big games do not stop for Celtic, with the Scottish Cup and a treble on the line against Inverness on June 3, but first they have the chance to go a full season unbeaten against Rangers when they travel to Ibrox on Saturday.

“There’s no extra motivation,” Hart said. “It’s a huge game for the club.

“We have pulled together as a group. There’s not going to be any fans inside the stadium pulling for us, but we know around the world…Jeez, we went to Australia in November and felt their presence.

“We know there’s going to be support, expectation, and the least we can do is show up with an attitude to win and play our style of football.”
 

mil1lion

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Conte definitely had a short period of success here, but Mourinho was a black and white failure. The cup final was assisted by an unusual run including (from memory) a bye and a one leg home semi final against a Championship side. Hardly the CL final run.
I think you have to consider our situation when Jose took over though. We were on a massive slide that year, like the sort of form we've ended this season bad. He steadied the ship but we were never in position to be able to compete on all fronts. 7th place was about right given the squad we had. He also had the unprecedented covid situation to contend with. Conte did achieve better but also we had a dof in place by then who had signed some good players followed by 2 vital January ones. We had a productive summer of signings after but really more bargains for the squad than first team improvements. However we did end up with a stronger squad than what Jose had. I think if Jose had the same squad he would do similar to Conte to be honest. We had a squad that was just about good enough to compete with top 7, the last 2 years we've built it up enough to remain there but finished 8th when Conte dropped out. We're getting there with the squad but honestly I think those managers did about right given the squad. Their biggest issue was not really improving younger players to get more out of the potential though. I think that's what we need now.
 

Phil_2.0

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Apparently 15m for him and his staff. My point is he didn't turn us down. We just didn't want to pay what was needed. It's like saying Kane didn't want to join City when they didn't want to pay our fee.

There is just no chance he and his staff would cost 15m, one of his staff members said he wouldn't come anyway. They could have just bought out their contracts if needed and it wouldn't come anywhere close to that.

It was not a money issue, Manchester United paid Ajax 3m for Ten Hag and his assistant. There is no world where we would have to pay 15m for Arne Slot.

Slot just didn't want to come because we are a mess.
 

mil1lion

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There is just no chance he and his staff would cost 15m, one of his staff members said he wouldn't come anyway. They could have just bought out their contracts if needed and it wouldn't come anywhere close to that.

It was not a money issue, Manchester United paid Ajax 3m for Ten Hag and his assistant. There is no world where we would have to pay 15m for Arne Slot.

Slot just didn't want to come because we are a mess.
Oh my days, you honestly think we could've had him for only a few million? Our top choice manager and we decided against it at that price. His buy out for next summer was 6m alone. The reports said it would cost 10m for Slot and 5m for his staff to get him out. It's clear as day we were put off by his price. It's always financial with us. Go ahead and dress it up like he wouldn't join us if it makes you feel better.
 

Whitey

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To expand on/simplify this:

2004-2004 - Santini - boring personality, boring football = failure
2004-2007 - Jol - warm and likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2007-2008 - Ramos - boring personality (albeit partly due to language barrier), boring football, bad results = cup win but failure in the league and overall given the length of tenure
2008-2012 - Redknapp - likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2012-2013 - AVB - okish personality but hardly hugely galvanising, boring football = did okish
2014-2019 - Poch - warm and likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2019-2021 - Mourinho - not likeable personality, boring football = failure
2021-2021 - Nuno - not likeable personality, boring football = failure
2021-2023 - Conte - not likeable personality, boring football = failure

The correlation and conditions for a Manager to be 'success' at Tottenham is pretty clear.

This is why I thought Slot would be perfect and its why I think Big Ange could be a very good option.
Ruin a good post why don't 👍🤔 but I know you have me in ignore.....
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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To expand on/simplify this:

2004-2004 - Santini - boring personality, boring football = failure
2004-2007 - Jol - warm and likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2007-2008 - Ramos - boring personality (albeit partly due to language barrier), boring football, bad results = cup win but failure in the league and overall given the length of tenure
2008-2012 - Redknapp - likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2012-2013 - AVB - okish personality but hardly hugely galvanising, boring football = did okish
2014-2019 - Poch - warm and likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2019-2021 - Mourinho - not likeable personality, boring football = failure
2021-2021 - Nuno - not likeable personality, boring football = failure
2021-2023 - Conte - not likeable personality, boring football = failure

The correlation and conditions for a Manager to be 'success' at Tottenham is pretty clear.

This is why I thought Slot would be perfect and its why I think Big Ange could be a very good option.
Personally think AVB was the most boring of the lot. He had the charisma of a wet lettuce. And also played the most boring frustrating football I've seen.
 

PaulM

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I'm underwhelmed by Ange. 2-3 warning signs for me. I like listening to him speak, he's done a good job at Celtic and seems popular. I just don't see him doing well here and think he'd wreck his career here albeit with a nice pay off on the way out.

But I don't see anyone doing well here. If success is getting top 4 and winning a cup, I don't think there is a manager alive who can do that. We aren't set up to compete. We don't go for top players, economic concerns always come first ahead of football and the chairman is too hands on.

The problem is at the top. I've absolutely no confidence in Levy's ability to guide us to football success. Levy's done a lot of good but he's now an obstacle to our progress. Until he stands back or down, Jesus could manage us and we'd still fall short of what we expect.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Every single thing you’ve said about Ange in this post is wrong.
  • he massively overachieved with the resources available to him at both teams he managed in Australia, in Japan and with the oz national team. Taking teams who either never won, or hadn’t in a long time, to trophies/titles within 2 years. Celtic is the outlier in his career.
  • He sticks to attacking principles, but is very open to switching formations and tactics to achieve that with the players at his disposal.
  • Celtic and a national team alone is much more experience than Jol had pre-Spurs
I don’t understand why people are just making up things to bash the guy. If you don’t know who he is, that’s fine. You don’t need to bullshit (not just aimed at you btw, lots of people at fault)
I think Celtic were 25 points behind Rangers the season prior to Ange joining them. That's quite a gap. So he deffinately had work to do going in, and will leave them as the dominant force 2 years later.

That's not too shabby imo.
 

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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With no Europe next season, it MIGHT just be the best chance in years for us to win one of the domestic cups. What if Ange comes in and we win the league cup? That might convince Kane to stay?
With no Europe i really hope we go for the league cup this year, rather than playing our fringe players.
 

Snarfalicious

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I'm underwhelmed by Ange. 2-3 warning signs for me. I like listening to him speak, he's done a good job at Celtic and seems popular. I just don't see him doing well here and think he'd wreck his career here albeit with a nice pay off on the way out.

But I don't see anyone doing well here. If success is getting top 4 and winning a cup, I don't think there is a manager alive who can do that. We aren't set up to compete. We don't go for top players, economic concerns always come first ahead of football and the chairman is too hands on.

The problem is at the top. I've absolutely no confidence in Levy's ability to guide us to football success. Levy's done a lot of good but he's now an obstacle to our progress. Until he stands back or down, Jesus could manage us and we'd still fall short of what we expect.

Agreed. Let’s fold the club.
 

PaulM

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Agreed. Let’s fold the club.
Haha not what I'm saying.

But we should be expecting to be at the top end of the table and challenging for cups. And we're blaming the manager when we don't do that. It's an impossible job. Either we adjust our expectations and be less than we should be or Levy has to change something in terms of how the club operates.

We can't keep scapegoating managers. Currently, it's an impossible job.
 

lobob8

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One thing to note regarding Ange's age: he's 57. Redknapp was 61 when he came here and had the character of a spring chicken. Ange will be just fine.
 

Phil_2.0

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Oh my days, you honestly think we could've had him for only a few million? Our top choice manager and we decided against it at that price. His buy out for next summer was 6m alone. The reports said it would cost 10m for Slot and 5m for his staff to get him out. It's clear as day we were put off by his price. It's always financial with us. Go ahead and dress it up like he wouldn't join us if it makes you feel better.

Yeah it really makes me feel better to know that Tottenham couldn't get the Feyenoord manager. 🙄 I didn't say a few million, I brought up a similar scenario where a manager from Ajax was brought into Manchester United for 3m. I think it would have cost 6 or 7m which is what was reported.

5m for his staff? If he brought 4 staff you think they are all on 1.25m in Holland, as assistants? When have you known buyouts on managers and staff from a smaller league to be so high?

If he wanted to come he would have forced a move anyway and said he can't continue his job and forced Feyenoord's hand, not signed a new deal. Levy never had any real problem paying managers big money to do the job, I don't see why he would be put off by 6 or 7m for Slot because it absolutely wasn't going to be 15m to get him and his assistants out of their contracts. Slot was probably only on a million a year before this new deal.

He turned us down. 2 years ago we had many managers turn us down, Potter for one. We are in a weaker position now. We are a mess and manager's don't want to put their careers in the hands of Levy.
 
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