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[bigfrooj]

Well, I've read up about Ange, I like the guy and I like what he has done in football to get where he is so far. I'll be able to back him if he's hired. Do your own research but I wouldn't be surprised if he does well here given the time.
He's a hardcore Carlton fan too, which is a good thing.

 

[Guntz]

Celtic have apparently offered Ange a new contract which would make him the highest-paid manager in their history. According to one of their ITKs

Kerrydale Street-Ange Postecoglou Thread || Current stage of grief: Seeing your Ex's holiday photos on facebook

I can understand the ridicule tbh I can see how people would think it's a bit much. I just don't think it would be good to have a guy who is a cert

kerrydalestreet.co.uk

 

[rossdapep]

Alternatively:
Santini - won very few games
Jol - won quite a few (considering where we were)
Ramos - won a cup but not a lot else
Redknapp - got us up the table and competing - ie won a lot (considering . . .)


I think you can see where I'm going with this.

Yes, I think a unifying personality is important but the overwhelmingly top thing needed is to have success, which is of course relative. I loved Poch and the sense of belonging that he brought, but would it have been enough by itself if we weren't competing at the top and indeed getting to a CL final - probably not.

Cynical but true.

Bar the league cup win, that Ramos period was a major major let down.

We were led to believe we had secured one of the world's best coaches and were going to bring this exciting Spanish style.

Yet we were absolutely boring to watch and an absolute mess all over the park

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Saints 2 -4 Newcastle
Saints 1-2 QPR
Saints 0-3 West Brom
Saints 0-1 Norwich
Saints 1-3 Chelsea
Saints 0-1 Tottenham (AVB tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Tottenham x 2 (sherwood tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Villa
Saints 1-2 Everton
Saints 0- 3 Chelsea
Saints 1-3 West Ham
Saints 0-3 Liverpool
Saints 1-4 City
Saints 0-1 Cardiff

That is a selection of what I would say are either bad results or bee. comfortably beaten by the bigger boys from Poch's reign of just 18 months at Southampton.

He did beat Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United in that period but they did have some poor results.

Another stat was that they never recovered a deficit at HT and also blew a few leads in his time there.

Yet under Poch, Tottenham rarely surrendered leads, they would not face as many shock or poor results.

Why am I bringing this up?

Well, sometimes it's easy to get caught up in facts like "Ange was abysmal in Europe", that can be a concern.

But sometimes it really is simply down to the quality you have on the field.

Poch didn't have Vertonghen, Walker and Toby at Southampton.

Nor did he have a Harry Kane.

Is it possible that with Kane, Bissouma, Romero a new GK and CB, Ange's teams are much more prepared to overcome strong opposition? Like Poch was?

I have zero faith in the board to get the additions we need in the summer regardless of who the manager is. I’m happy to be proven wrong, but we need serious recruitment in key positions to give the new manager the right tools to allow us to compete for top 4 and some silverware again.

 

[sage]

To expand on/simplify this:

2004-2004 - Santini - boring personality, boring football = failure
2004-2007 - Jol - warm and likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2007-2008 - Ramos - boring personality (albeit partly due to language barrier), boring football, bad results = cup win but failure in the league and overall given the length of tenure
2008-2012 - Redknapp - likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2012-2013 - AVB - okish personality but hardly hugely galvanising, boring football = did okish
2014-2019 - Poch - warm and likeable personality, attacking free flowing football = success
2019-2021 - Mourinho - not likeable personality, boring football = failure
2021-2021 - Nuno - not likeable personality, boring football = failure
2021-2023 - Conte - not likeable personality, boring football = failure

The correlation and conditions for a Manager to be 'success' at Tottenham is pretty clear.

This is why I thought Slot would be perfect and its why I think Big Ange could be a very good option.

That's harsh on Nuno. He might've been boring (and out of his depth), but there was nothing to suggest he was anything like Mourinho or Conte.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I have zero faith in the board to get the additions we need in the summer regardless of who the manager is. I’m happy to be proven wrong, but we need serious recruitment in key positions to give the new manager the right tools to allow us to compete for top 4 and some silverware again.

I do think this is key. As much as I'm all for Postecoglou, he plays a very distinct type of football – or at least aims to – and it can require a bit of a reshuffle and a few specialist positions (full-backs, lol).

He could get them playing with more belief, more intent from the off which, coupled with our excellent attackers, might mean we're getting results and playing well without ever looking that solid, but it's taken Arteta (who plays a similar style) years to get that shite Arsenal team back on track. Going to have to be a very coordinated summer, but I am a little comforted that the managers we've targeted (Alonso, Kompany, Slot, Postecoglou) seem to all be very consistent in how they want to set up. Hopefully that extends to the player recruitment...

 

[rossdapep]

I have zero faith in the board to get the additions we need in the summer regardless of who the manager is. I’m happy to be proven wrong, but we need serious recruitment in key positions to give the new manager the right tools to allow us to compete for top 4 and some silverware again.

Totally agree.

But that would be the case for any coach coming in wouldn't it?

I really hope the Laporte and Raya links are true because even with just them 2 signings, we would significantly strengthen and beome more stable.

You could even sell 4 or 5 (Reguillon, Sessegnon, Sanchez, Lo Celso) players to fund those moves.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Postecoglou is the man….Reason…
Ang..e. Postecoglou…he’s magic you know.
scans perfectly to replace Poch.

 

[Wick3d]

Football is an international game. There is more to football than the top 5 European leagues. Certain Tottenham fans continuously show disrespect to football outside of Europe. I'm not sure where this level of arrogance and self-entitlement comes from.

Ange has the experience to do well at Tottenham, but it is a question of what well is for you. We aren't going to come anywhere near to winning trophies with Levy at the top because if we are to compete in an environment where we bulk at the money needed to invest in competing, then we need a clear strategy and philosophy running throughout the club so that we can act in a smarter fashion, i.e., Brighton. We have to rebuild again, and that takes time.

 

[mil1lion]

Bar the league cup win, that Ramos period was a major major let down.

We were led to believe we had secured one of the world's best coaches and were going to bring this exciting Spanish style.

Yet we were absolutely boring to watch and an absolute mess all over the park

Funny thing is Ramos was not that far from Poch. He came with a strict diet and workout regime. He just didn't speak the language and the players didn't respond to him. However there were times it clicked especially in the cup. That semi final home win over Arsenal probably the best. I also have to defend him a bit because he did lose Berbatov and Keane the following summer. Sometimes it's just a case of right manager for the wrong players. He just clicked at Sevilla but I think the language barrier was the main issue here. Not only the speaking of English but the whole persona and tone of voice can rub off wrong on players. A voice in Spain with the native language sound very different here in England. Completely different to how Harry speaks.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

All aboard the Postecoglou train now, hope I don't have to get off this fucker like the last two manager trains I was on.

Cheers to all the people who actually know something about him for the insight, hopefully it all works out.

Choo Choo COYS

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Celtic have apparently offered Ange a new contract which would make him the highest-paid manager in their history. According to one of their ITKs

Kerrydale Street-Ange Postecoglou Thread || Current stage of grief: Seeing your Ex's holiday photos on facebook

I can understand the ridicule tbh I can see how people would think it's a bit much. I just don't think it would be good to have a guy who is a cert

kerrydalestreet.co.uk

Well... they would be stupid not to... again it depends on how seriously and quickly we move... if we want him... like with Slot

Do we act or do we react... ?
So far we have only reacted... or done nothing at all... sadly.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Saints 2 -4 Newcastle
Saints 1-2 QPR
Saints 0-3 West Brom
Saints 0-1 Norwich
Saints 1-3 Chelsea
Saints 0-1 Tottenham (AVB tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Tottenham x 2 (sherwood tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Villa
Saints 1-2 Everton
Saints 0- 3 Chelsea
Saints 1-3 West Ham
Saints 0-3 Liverpool
Saints 1-4 City
Saints 0-1 Cardiff

That is a selection of what I would say are either bad results or bee. comfortably beaten by the bigger boys from Poch's reign of just 18 months at Southampton.

He did beat Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United in that period but they did have some poor results.

Another stat was that they never recovered a deficit at HT and also blew a few leads in his time there.

Yet under Poch, Tottenham rarely surrendered leads, they would not face as many shock or poor results.

Why am I bringing this up?

Well, sometimes it's easy to get caught up in facts like "Ange was abysmal in Europe", that can be a concern.

But sometimes it really is simply down to the quality you have on the field.

Poch didn't have Vertonghen, Walker and Toby at Southampton.

Nor did he have a Harry Kane.

Is it possible that with Kane, Bissouma, Romero a new GK and CB, Ange's teams are much more prepared to overcome strong opposition? Like Poch was?

Bingo.

 

[mil1lion]

Postecoglou is the man….Reason…
Ang..e. Postecoglou…he’s magic you know.
scans perfectly to replace Poch.

His surname might be an issue for some I could see us going with... I love Postecoglou, Postecoglou loves me

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Celtic have apparently offered Ange a new contract which would make him the highest-paid manager in their history. According to one of their ITKs

Kerrydale Street-Ange Postecoglou Thread || Current stage of grief: Seeing your Ex's holiday photos on facebook

I can understand the ridicule tbh I can see how people would think it's a bit much. I just don't think it would be good to have a guy who is a cert

kerrydalestreet.co.uk

Lined up with what another poster said a few days ago about them offering a mega contract and big transfer budget. Don’t think it’s really surprising as they probably would have done this regardless of our interest considering he’s on a rolling contract. If it’s true of course.

I don’t think this is anything to worry about if you’re pro Ange. I still think he comes here if it’s a choice between the two.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I have zero faith in the board to get the additions we need in the summer regardless of who the manager is. I’m happy to be proven wrong, but we need serious recruitment in key positions to give the new manager the right tools to allow us to compete for top 4 and some silverware again.

We’ve already been linked to centre backs and a GK. we don’t need much more to be competitive for top 4 imo.

Fans just need to realise we are not gonna completely rebuild the squad in one transfer window. Especially with how many we have to shift in the first place.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

All aboard the Postecoglou train now, hope I don't have to get off this fucker like the last two manager trains I was on.

Cheers to all the people who actually know something about him for the insight, hopefully it all works out.

Choo Choo COYS

Its actually called The Big Ange Express.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Not if we don't pay

How much do you think you would have to pay to get Slot out of his contract that had one year left on it?

 

[only1waddle]

He really doesnt though. The level of experience Jol, Redknapp & Poch all had quite easily surpass that of Ange. They were adept at punching above their weight as well, which in the admittedly very few opportunities to do similar at Celtic, he has failed.

Tactically, yeah, the approach seems to be very entertaining & attacking & fits what we want. But it is also unflinching & he doesnt exactly seem to either have or even want a plan b to take into games that require something a bit more grounded. Everything people praise about his approach & also the whole passing backwards thing makes me laugh knowing they will all be ripping it apart in a few months calling it tactically naïve.

Jol had 8 years in the Dutch league and won one dutch cup, such experience lead him to the position of assistant manager, that doesn't surpass what Ange has achieved.

Don't rewrite history.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

We’ve already been linked to centre backs and a GK. we don’t need much more to be competitive for top 4 imo.

Fans just need to realise we are not gonna completely rebuild the squad in one transfer window. Especially with how many we have to shift in the first place.

The links so far have been great but in all honesty we’ve been here before with incredible links and nothing comes to fruition. I’ll wait for my chickens before I count my eggs this time, but on the whole I agree with your sentiment. The outgoings are far more important than the incomings too, we have way to much fat to trim.