I'd agree until the last 3 seasons where I think we have pulled away from them, Moyse made some comment on this last season expressing his disappointment that we had moved onto a different level when only a few seasons before we were very similar.
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I'd agree until the last 3 seasons where I think we have pulled away from them, Moyse made some comment on this last season expressing his disappointment that we had moved onto a different level when only a few seasons before we were very similar.
Our record since the Premier League started has been pretty poor prior to 2005/2006 but we are on the up and not just since Harry rolled into town as he would have everyone believe, the 2 5th place finishes under Jol being proof of that. We doid fall back for 2 seasons but this was largely down to Manager issues with changes during both seasons, stability being key to success!
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that is a false league though, we are only 6th soon to be 5th in points total because we have played every Premiership season
In 21 Premiership seasons our average finishing Legaue position is between 9th and 10th ( 9.238 to be exact ) - Mid Table
IN fact Newcastle have been more successful in the Premiership era than us, even though they have played 80 games less than us they have a GD of + 111, ours is + 52 ( +60 in last 3 seasons ) , which shows just how average we were until then.
By comparison the 'real' top clubs during the Premiership era GD is Man Utd ( +881 ) Arsenal ( +628 ) Chelsea ( +541 ) and Liverpool ( +483 )
Don't be blinkered into thinking us above our station by a few good seasons
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agree, so what do we do ?
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http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/all-time-table/pl-years
Overall table since PL started, sitting 6th and only 3 points behind villa. Fair enough teams go through major up-and-down patches, i.e. villa if the table is anything to go by, but 6th overall is still a fair shout. Tottenham are deffinitely not a mid-table club, and even thought for a few seasons may have been, that era is over, and hopefully for a long time
Overall table since PL started, sitting 6th and only 3 points behind villa. Fair enough teams go through major up-and-down patches, i.e. villa if the table is anything to go by, but 6th overall is still a fair shout. Tottenham are deffinitely not a mid-table club, and even thought for a few seasons may have been, that era is over, and hopefully for a long time
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that is Comedy Gold, I am sorry to have to break this to you but we have been a Mid Table team since 1968 bar one or two good spells - Yes we are currently in one but without the finances of Chelsea / Man City or the revenue of Man Utd / Arsenal / Liverpool we have been punching above our weight recently and I fear normal service will resume shortly.
If in 5 years we have won the league a few times and maybe the CL I will stand corrected
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But as tototoner's just pointed out, that's skewed by our being one of the few clubs that's been in the EPL ever since it came into existence. We've been top six in five seasons out of twenty. No, we're not a mid-table club at the moment, but historically we are one.
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I keep reading this bollocks everywhere, how we are a mid table club punching above our weight, as if by some miracle we somehow made it to 3 top 5 finishes in the last 3 years. Its funny because if you look at the last 6 season it does show we have done well
05/06: finished 5th. Robbed of 4th due to Mendes goal and Lasagne Gate
06/07: finished 5th. Unlucky to not beat Chelsea in QF of FA cup and lost to Arsenal in SF of carling cup
07/08: finished 11th. Won Carling Cup and beat arsenal 5-1
08/09: finished 8th. Lost Carling Cup final on pens and iirc Harry didn't want 7th so we can concentrate on top 4
09/10: finished 4th. Lost to Portsmouth in Semi's
10/11: finished 5th. QF's of CL and beat Inter and AC Milan
11/12: finished 4th. Lost to Chelsea in SF of FA cup
TBH the last seven years have been great and in our worst season we got rid of 11 players from the first team and didn't replace our best strike force for years. The one 11th place everyone is quoting as proof of our mid table status we won the Carling Cup and beat le arse 5-1 for the first time in god knows how many years.
Our squad has got progressively better each year since we finished 5th in 2006 and to those who say Levy is happy with us being a mid table club is crazy. I wished Harry did stay and thank him for the last 3 years but I firmly believe, had Harry not changed his agent to Paul Stretford he would still be our manager!(which makes you wonder why he didn't change it in prep for the England job?)
Who knows maybe in 7 years time we may become a top half team
YES! You are bang on, good sir! It's been fucking me right off having to hear this shit since we sacked Harry.
People like that journo that was on SSN in the wake of sacking Harry, he then reported in the Daily Express that we would now "Do a Charlton after they sacked Alan Curbishley to get a manager to take them to the next level" - I mean comparing us to Charlton?! What a fucking idiot!
That kind of shit has been annoying the shit out of me. What, so we should just stay where we are forever, clubs don't change and progress and want to get better and better?
This is the article:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/326711/Spurs-to-go-one-way-now-down-
Mick Dennis is the journo. He's a right fucking cnut, truth be told.
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As said in the original post, people are saying LEVY wants us to be a mid table club or we were mid table club punching above our weight under Redknapp whereas in the last 7 seasons we have been performing very well, yes we have had 20 years of dross but we have performed more than well since Jol took over.
I didn't see anyone calling Man City a mid table club in the last 3 years despite them playing in the championship 10 years ago but we have done more than enough in the last couple of years to be considered one of the top teams
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Chelsea sacked Raneri (sp) to get in Mourinho if i remember correctly after the latter had led them to one of their best finishes. It shows you can pick any example you want for a club to remove a manager to 'get to another level' to meet your agenda.
If we feel our squad of players were good enough to finish top 3 last year and Harry let us down as he 'wasn't at the right level' then who can argue with the sacking.
If the board believe we have a 'top 3' squad rather than a 'mid-table team' then I am happy they are showing the ambition to get there by removing what they see as the reason for us not being there.
Historic records of positions does not indicate to 'punching above your weight' for the particular season you are in. You finish where you squad and manager are good enough to take you (with a bit of luck). Not the last or the season 7 years ago will make us any more or less of a mid-table team. Next years is ours to seize and I fully trust the boards decision that we are no longer a mid table team. And therefore we have changed strategies with the stadium, training ground and more lately manager to fit in to a lenghty spell of achieving high (but within our current considerable ability).
Roll on next season- we will see if we are 'mid-table' but i highly doubt it
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Our weight in turnover is 6th. That is not mid table
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It's not false. - comparison has to be to rivals.
Only 5 clubs are above us in PL era - this is fact.
If clubs like Newcastle can't even remain in the league (and by definition are not even mid table), then that is relevant.
You can't have it both ways my friend.
We could have stuck with Harry for next season but without the contract extension that he wanted he wouldn't have given a toss and the season would have been a disaster so Levy has had to bite the bullet and sack him and now get someone in to take the club forward, hopefully someone who will be with us for years to come!
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So presumably by that logic City should be happy with top half
I agree.
By that logic City are not even a PL team never mind current PL champions. Some peoples opinions are like arseholes, they stink of shit.
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I'd agree, anyone who looks at the prem now would consider us as one of the top 6. i'd argue we are 6th. (United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs)
No one has called City mid-table since their take over because with the amount of cash pumped into them they simply wouldn't fail. no matter what they would get there in the end. much like chelsea.
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If we look at a similar time scale, Citeh are, I think, a Championship side
I started to type "this century", but then realised (it takes a while for these things to sink in), that it is no longer the twentieth century, and couldn't be bothered with any long convulted explanation
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If we look at a similar time scale, Citeh are, I think, a Championship side
And that invalidates the point I was making?
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I think the point most folk have been making is that we are not mid-table now.
If your point was to demonstrate that we were mid-table once, then I believe it is highly pertinent to apply the same criteria and timescale to other clubs that are present not mid-table. If it was, then I am not sure there is even any relevance in making the point - we are talking about now, and our record over since Jol became our manager equates to being higher than mid-table, therefore justifying the OPs annoyance that the media Friends of Redknapp Society talk about us as a mid-table club. We aren't now, just the same as Citeh aren't a Championship side, but in the samea timescale we both were considerably lower than our present level.
Perhaps, if you had any other point, you could clarify it
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I think the point most folk have been making is that we are not mid-table now.
If your point was to demonstrate that we were mid-table once, then I believe it is highly pertinent to apply the same criteria and timescale to other clubs that are present not mid-table. If it was, then I am not sure there is even any relevance in making the point - we are talking about now, and our record over since Jol became our manager equates to being higher than mid-table, therefore justifying the OPs annoyance that the media Friends of Redknapp Society talk about us as a mid-table club. We aren't now, just the same as Citeh aren't a Championship side, but in the samea timescale we both were considerably lower than our present level.
Perhaps, if you had any other point, you could clarify it
Indeedy-doody. It's a point I myself made in at least one previous post. Reading the post to which I was responding should clear things up spiffingly.
