Jose Mourinho

[John48]

Jose has to take some of the blame because he picks the team, he motivates them & outlines the tactics & in all 3 he's woefully coming up short. I mean why did he pick Vorm? I'm not saying Gazza wouldn't have spilled the shot for their goal, but he's the best one we had available, so why considering the state in did go with our weakest option in goal?

 

[Shadydan]

Ahhh right, just to be clear I presume anyone who castigated him and was outraged by it acted the same when Mousa Dembele did the same?

Nah it was on Diego Costa and against Chelsea so it was alright...or something like that.

 

[Metalhead]

The clubs that we aspire to competing with get results because they play good football generally speaking. It doesn't have to be breathtaking but there needs to be an ethos that we're going to go out and beat our opponents, not just bide our time hoping they'll make a mistake. I also think that supporters who are paying the highest prices are entitled to expect something worth watching, which our current efforts clearly aren't.

I get that but I'm going on the premise that with a good summer of transfer business and players back from injury, we will be playing far more efficiently and getting results. If he doesn't get backed then can we imagine that the next manager will get backed?

 

[fedupyid]

I've read this thread with interest over a couple of weeks. It's been bonkers at times.

Reactions calling for Mourinho's sacking because of an individual game, or even series of games, are nonsense so soon in his tenure. And I'm no Mourinho fan. I maintain it was a mistake to hire someone whose style of play is so at odds with what we built over 5yrs.

While I don't like him or his style - it's a bad fit on multiple levels for our club - he'll rightly be given time to implement his ideas properly. So even if you loathe the man, any sensible supporter should at least hold fire until maybe Oct/Nov. What we don't need as a club is to become a self-made laughing stock that sacks two successful managers in quick succession while devolving to mediocrity of old. What new decent manager would want to step into those shoes?

While I strongly suspect he's a busted flush, neither I nor anyone else *knows* that for certain. He could turn it around, especially when there's less spotlight over the summer. We'll never know if he's ousted before next season starts.

Even a calendar year isn't a huge duration to judge, but it's far more reasonable and realistic than now or in the coming weeks.

I don't want the club to become a disorganized joke, returning to a time of bouncing among different operational models and flailing around in mid-table or worse. As much as I loved Poch and the Poch era, I don't want it to become a sort of golden era never to be seen in my lifetime again. The 90s until Martin Jol were plenty, thanks very much.

So while I'm not confident he can, hopefully Mourinho can steady the ship. He's under pressure from the off next season in my eyes. But there's little chance and little upside in him getting canned before he's been with us a year. If it's still tosh then, at least the footballing universe will know he was given a proper chance.

We are a laughing stock already. We have a chairman who failed to support the best manager we have had since Keith Burkinshaw. Mourinho is no tactical genius (neither was Poch) but I do not see why people think he has earned time.

 

[KikoSpurs]

It's over.

 

[Metalhead]

I've read this thread with interest over a couple of weeks. It's been bonkers at times.

Reactions calling for Mourinho's sacking because of an individual game, or even series of games, are nonsense so soon in his tenure. And I'm no Mourinho fan. I maintain it was a mistake to hire someone whose style of play is so at odds with what we built over 5yrs.

While I don't like him or his style - it's a bad fit on multiple levels for our club - he'll rightly be given time to implement his ideas properly. So even if you loathe the man, any sensible supporter should at least hold fire until maybe Oct/Nov. What we don't need as a club is to become a self-made laughing stock that sacks two successful managers in quick succession while devolving to mediocrity of old. What new decent manager would want to step into those shoes?

While I strongly suspect he's a busted flush, neither I nor anyone else *knows* that for certain. He could turn it around, especially when there's less spotlight over the summer. We'll never know if he's ousted before next season starts.

Even a calendar year isn't a huge duration to judge, but it's far more reasonable and realistic than now or in the coming weeks.

I don't want the club to become a disorganized joke, returning to a time of bouncing among different operational models and flailing around in mid-table or worse. As much as I loved Poch and the Poch era, I don't want it to become a sort of golden era never to be seen in my lifetime again. The 90s until Martin Jol were plenty, thanks very much.

So while I'm not confident he can, hopefully Mourinho can steady the ship. He's under pressure from the off next season in my eyes. But there's little chance and little upside in him getting canned before he's been with us a year. If it's still tosh then, at least the footballing universe will know he was given a proper chance.

Thank you! That's all most of us are saying. There are few Mourinho fan boys on here - it's just about giving him a chance.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Has he gone yet?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

It's over.

This is a good thing though isn't it? I mean Jose won't get to waste cash on players no one wants and Levy won't be able to shift cos Levy. It will also give us an identity on the pitch, pathways for the youth and building a squad, also it means Jose rates our youth and quashes the ideal that he doesn't give youth a chance ...

How can it be over? I mean that's ticking the boxes for every one - even those who hate ENIC are proved right. That tweet is like getting a double yolker, isn't it?

Oh fuck I am so confused by this fan base ...

 

[Japhet]

I get that but I'm going on the premise that with a good summer of transfer business and players back from injury, we will be playing far more efficiently and getting results. If he doesn't get backed then can we imagine that the next manager will get backed?

As I've said before, the bed has been made and we have to lie in it. My concern for the summer (which matters not a jot), is in the type of players Mourinho will want to bring in and what the price tag will be. If he wants to invest in more of the style he's adopting right now I'll be absolutely gutted, but we knew what to expect when he was given the job. My hope at that time was that he had actually had a rethink and had indeed come up with his new style and philosophy as was reporeted at the time, but sadly, there's absolutely no sign that the leopard has changed it's spots.

 

[riggi]

This is a good thing though isn't it? I mean Jose won't get to waste cash on players no one wants and Levy won't be able to shift cos Levy. It will also give us an identity on the pitch, pathways for the youth and building a squad, also it means Jose rates our youth and quashes the ideal that he doesn't give youth a chance ...

How can it be over? I mean that's ticking the boxes for every one - even those who hate ENIC are proved right. That tweet is like getting a double yolker, isn't it?

Oh fuck I am so confused by this fan base ...

Our youth can’t beat Colchester. Fuck em. Close it down.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Our youth can’t beat Colchester. Fuck em. Close it down.

Blasphemer!!!!!!

Look at Frank and Chelsea, don't you want that? Pathways, future England stars? Future Scotland stars?

Won't someone think of the pathways?!

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Jose has to take some of the blame because he picks the team, he motivates them & outlines the tactics & in all 3 he's woefully coming up short. I mean why did he pick Vorm? I'm not saying Gazza wouldn't have spilled the shot for their goal, but he's the best one we had available, so why considering the state in did go with our weakest option in goal?

Ok, then what's the problem? If you think both goalies might have been equally prone to conceding a cheap goal, than why do you really need to fault the selection in hindsight? "Yeah, Gazzaniga would have conceded an easy goal too, but at least selecting him would have made me feel so much better about it".

 

[riggi]

Blasphemer!!!!!!

Look at Frank and Chelsea, don't you want that? Pathways, future England stars? Future Scotland stars?

Won't someone think of the pathways?!

Fuck the pathways. 100 mil on a new Carlos Kickaball or I’m done.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Fuck the pathways. 100 mil on a new Carlos Kickaball or I’m done.

You were done the day they gave you a cheese room and took it away from you again. Broken promises mate, they sting.

 

[jolsnogross]

We are a laughing stock already. We have a chairman who failed to support the best manager we have had since Keith Burkinshaw. Mourinho is no tactical genius (neither was Poch) but I do not see why people think he has earned time.

For me at least, it's not a question of him having "earned time". It's just early. For anyone. I agree wholeheartedly about Poch, and I'll be happy to raise that forever. But none of us knows for sure how this turns out, and clearing him out now doesn't exactly broadcast calm, strategic, and effective stewardship of the club.

It's a weird win win scenario for some of us: he either steadies us up and we improve, or he underperforms and gets canned. It just needs time to play out.

 

[cjbyid]

It's over.

Haha I love randomers on twitter who make this up to stir even more shit.

 

[Metalhead]

As I've said before, the bed has been made and we have to lie in it. My concern for the summer (which matters not a jot), is in the type of players Mourinho will want to bring in and what the price tag will be. If he wants to invest in more of the style he's adopting right now I'll be absolutely gutted, but we knew what to expect when he was given the job. My hope at that time was that he had actually had a rethink and had indeed come up with his new style and philosophy as was reporeted at the time, but sadly, there's absolutely no sign that the leopard has changed it's spots.

Ultimately it's the results that will count. If we don't play a great style but it's effective then people will begrudgingly swallow it (albeit without taking to him).

 

[Metalhead]

Haha I love randomers on twitter who make this up to stir even more shit.

Randomers who are also attention seekers.

 

[TheRevolution]

Crazy to blame Jose before next season. This will be a long term overhaul. If you want to blame anyone it should be the board who became unacceptably complacent and allowed the squad to stagnate, contracts to run down and and a toxic atmosphere to develop. This has been in the works since the beginning of the 17-18 season and was worsened in the summer of 2018 when we signed absolutely no one. This will take years to sort out and tbh rebuilding with a core of young players and getting the big egos and wages of some of these long term bottle jobs off the books sounds like the best tonic.

 

[Shadydan]

Randomers who are also attention seekers.

And gullible people that jump on the bandwagon just because it aligns with their ill feeling about the club.