Jose Mourinho

[Hugh DeMann]

If we don't get 4th spot then so be it. This season was a car crash by October with obvious changes needed. Never mind injuries and the striker situation.

However, I would like to see some green shoots of optimism before the end of the season. Our mentality feels like it is slipping back into the giving 95% each game like the league games last season.

You would hope that Mourinho can weed out anything that is affecting the player's approach to games in the next few months. That way next season can start with a bang hopefully.

 

[rossdapep]

I think there's a lot of parallels with when Redknapp came into the club.

Come down from high of reaching final.
Previous coach struggled to motivate team.
Team looking utterly lost.
Team looking like they are heading rock bottom.
New players taking a while to settle.
Experienced coach comes in.
Quick boost in performances before performances become sporadic again.
Injuries to key players.
Lack of goalscoring threat.
Bit of movement in the window.

For those who don't recall, Redknapp gave the club an immediate lift with 3 big wins in four but once the new energy disappated, we only saw 3 wins in 13 games and we only scored 10 goals in that time. We all know what happened after this period as Arry got to grips with the team and got them playing how he wanted them too.

It just goes to show that a new coach will almost certainly improve results for a short period as they play on the 'New energy' but once that eases off it's the most unsettling period as the coach is still trying to work out what is the best strategy for the team, the best role for the players, who can and can't be trusted all the while targets need to be met.

People seem to think this takes a few weeks. It doesn't, it takes months and it also needs reflection periods - which Jose hasn't even had yet.

 

[spursfan77]

I think there's a lot of parallels with when Redknapp came into the club.

Come down from high of reaching final.
Previous coach struggled to motivate team.
Team looking utterly lost.
Team looking like they are heading rock bottom.
New players taking a while to settle.
Experienced coach comes in.
Quick boost in performances before performances become sporadic again.
Injuries to key players.
Lack of goalscoring threat.
Bit of movement in the window.

For those who don't recall, Redknapp gave the club an immediate lift with 3 big wins in four but once the new energy disappated, we only saw 3 wins in 13 games and we only scored 10 goals in that time. We all know what happened after this period as Arry got to grips with the team and got them playing how he wanted them too.

It just goes to show that a new coach will almost certainly improve results for a short period as they play on the 'New energy' but once that eases off it's the most unsettling period as the coach is still trying to work out what is the best strategy for the team, the best role for the players, who can and can't be trusted all the while targets need to be met.

People seem to think this takes a few weeks. It doesn't, it takes months and it also needs reflection periods - which Jose hasn't even had yet.

Good thinking. Redknapp did get to bring in the players he wanted though to remedy the problem areas in Palacios and keane and defoe. Imagine if we'd of brought in similar style players this window and attacked our deficiencies a bit better. I think there would be a lot less pressure on Mourinho. Apparently the players weren't there though.

 

[Phomesy]

It's about being remembered.
No one remembers who won CL semi final second legs.
No one remembers who played the prettiest football.
Winners get remembered.

Playing pretty football and having nothing to show for it is like getting your end away without blowing your load.
Its all fur coat and no knickers.

I dont' really have a dog in this fight but this is spurious point. Pretty sure Glenn Hoddle is remembered.

Paul Gascoigne; Ginola; the list goes on.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Good thinking. Redknapp did get to bring in the players he wanted though to remedy the problem areas in Palacios and keane and defoe. Imagine if we'd of brought in similar style players this window and attacked our deficiencies a bit better. I think there would be a lot less pressure on Mourinho. Apparently the players weren't there though.

It's a bit easier to find players who are of adequate quality to avoid relegation than those that are Top 4 and CL quality. Not really a fair comparison.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

I dont' really have a dog in this fight but this is spurious point. Pretty sure Glenn Hoddle is remembered.

Paul Gascoigne; Ginola; the list goes on.

Didn't they all win trophies with us?

 

[Phomesy]

Didn't they all win trophies with us?

Are they remembered for their trophies or their play?

Put it this way: Nicky Butt won six Premier League titles, three FA Cups, four FA Community Shields, the UEFA Champions League and the Intercontinental Cup with Manchester United.

Will history remember him more fondly than Hoddle who won a couple of FA cups and the Uefa?

I'm not saying winning stuff isn't important - but to suggest how you play the game isn't relevant is quite clearly just as much nonsense as saying it's okay to not bother winning trophies.

 

[Dr Benson]

I dont' really have a dog in this fight but this is spurious point. Pretty sure Glenn Hoddle is remembered.

Paul Gascoigne; Ginola; the list goes on.

Glen Hoddle and Gascoigne actually won something, but I get your point.

Edit: Ah, already mentioned ny someone else.

 

[Phomesy]

Glen Hoddle and Gascoigne actually won something, but I get your point.

Edit: Ah, already mentioned ny someone else.

Yeah but again you can point to managerial examples: Juande Ramos won a cup with us. More important than Pochettino? Or Redknapp?

I get what GB was saying but it's spurious. Like most things its a bit more complicated.

 

[Donki]

Are they remembered for their trophies or their play?

Put it this way: Nicky Butt won six Premier League titles, three FA Cups, four FA Community Shields, the UEFA Champions League and the Intercontinental Cup with Manchester United.

Will history remember him more fondly than Hoddle who won a couple of FA cups and the Uefa?

I'm not saying winning stuff isn't important - but to suggest how you play the game isn't relevant is quite clearly just as much nonsense as saying it's okay to not bother winning trophies.

That's a bit of an un fair comparison is it not? Compare Hoddle with Cantona both at a similar stature with in the club, both icons but I would say if you asked people who was the more iconic people will say Cantona, even with the kung fu kick.

 

[wrd]

It's about being remembered.
No one remembers who won CL semi final second legs.
No one remembers who played the prettiest football.
Winners get remembered.

Playing pretty football and having nothing to show for it is like getting your end away without blowing your load.
Its all fur coat and no knickers.

This is just cliche crap that people spout, I remember moments that were incredible at the time, I remember Bale for banging a ridiculous last minute winner against West Ham, it's irrelevant to me that we finished 5th that season what I remember is the feeling in the moment. I'm going to remember the quarters and semi finals too.

 

[Gb160]

I remember moments that were incredible at the time, I remember Bale for banging a ridiculous last minute winner against West Ham, it's irrelevant to me that we finished 5th that season what I remember is the feeling in the moment. I'm going to remember the quarters and semi finals too.

We only remember those things because they were the highlights.
If we'd gone on to win the league that year, or the CL last year, our memories would be the lifting of the trophies.

People saying that recognition from the wider footballing world isn't important are just trying to convince themselves, it's what every player strives for, and its what fans should strive for as well.

I think Spurs fans have just been conditioned into thinking this way because we've won nothing recently.

 

[Japhet]

It's about being remembered.
No one remembers who won CL semi final second legs.
No one remembers who played the prettiest football.
Winners get remembered.

Playing pretty football and having nothing to show for it is like getting your end away without blowing your load.
Its all fur coat and no knickers.

And yet, bizarrely, you remember Mourinho and Man Utd finishing 2nd in the EPL because you mention it every 5 minutes.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This is just cliche crap that people spout, I remember moments that were incredible at the time, I remember Bale for banging a ridiculous last minute winner against West Ham, it's irrelevant to me that we finished 5th that season what I remember is the feeling in the moment. I'm going to remember the quarters and semi finals too.

Spot on. Obviously winning is important but the style and enjoyment of the team or individual brilliance is also what spectator sport is all about. I remember the few trophies we've won whilst i've supported Spurs but I also remember smiling when Berbatov scored 4 against Reading, I loved when we signed Robbie Keane and the creativity and goals and energy and passion he brought, I enjoyed out first victory over Chelsea at WHL for years when Aaron Lennon knocked one in with those bright yellow boots, I loved watching us at times under arry Redknapp when we had Bale and Lennon bombing down the wings, Modric and Parker bossing the middle, Van Der Vaart being just the classiest coolest footballer we've ever had. I loved the journey of progression under Martin Jol and of course we had some truly incredible times under Poch and so whilst not actually winning anything was a real shame it doesn't mean the fans didn't enjoy it.

Right now we have a mix of factors:
1) Squad is in a state of serious transition for a large number of reasons (injuries, lack of investment, players wanting to leave)
2) We have very few players who 'get you out of your seat', and i'd argue that the only real two that we have who can do that are injured (Kane and Son)
3) We now have a very pragmatic manager who is opposed to dominating games with possession and who's philosophy is about stifling the game and capitalising on mistakes

So a combination of these factors leads to some fairly hard to watch football at times.

 

[Gb160]

And yet, bizarrely, you remember Mourinho and Man Utd finishing 2nd in the EPL because you mention it every 5 minutes.

The trophies are what the fans will remember mate, I bring up coming 2nd in the league because some of our fans weirdly say he failed there, yet that's as good as it's got for us in the league in my lifetime.

 

[Phomesy]

Yeah

That's a bit of an un fair comparison is it not? Compare Hoddle with Cantona both at a similar stature with in the club, both icons but I would say if you asked people who was the more iconic people will say Cantona, even with the kung fu kick.

That's that not comparison Gb made was it? He made a blanket statement that only winners are remembered. That is manifestly untrue as evidence by the (perhaps unfair) comparison.

Glenn Hoddle is NOT remembered for the trophies he won because that stat does not reflect his impact on the game.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The trophies are what the fans will remember mate, I bring up coming 2nd in the league because some of our fans weirdly say he failed there, yet that's as good as it's got for us in the league in my lifetime.

I think fans remember trophies but they also remember the style of play, individual moments of brilliance and certain matches, they don’t solely remember trophies, if that was the case then George Graham and Juande Ramos would be lauded but alas they are not.

Our best times in recent years were under Jol, then Redknapp then more recently Poch none of whom won anything, arguably some of them should’ve but that is also down to poor squad management, not being able at those times to compete financially and generally the managers just not being backed sufficiently in the transfer market.

 

[Paul Gascoigne]

It seems some are selecting which stats to believe or give reasons why some stats are wrong because it does not fit their anti Mourhino stance . You have the premier league stats for long balls played this season and plenty are giving reasons why the stats are faulty and they may be right but I am right that if the stats had said they were the team that played the most long balls of any team you would not have heard a squeak from them except to say " there you go the stats prove me right " Sad cases .

A lamp post to a drunk is more for support than illumination. Statistics to some football supporters are similar. Discus .........................

 

[Trotter]

Poch has gone and left winning nothing on the back of a year where he averaged a point a game, officially the worst of all teams to have played in the PL during that time so I think it's you that needs to change then record pal.

In what way were we officially the worst team that has played in the PL in whatever time period you want to artificially create for your argument ?
Try and show it with some numbers, hint, you won't be able to

 

[Gb160]

I think fans remember trophies but they also remember the style of play, individual moments of brilliance and certain matches, they don’t solely remember trophies, if that was the case then George Graham and Juande Ramos would be lauded but alas they are not.

Our best times in recent years were under Jol, then Redknapp then more recently Poch none of whom won anything, arguably some of them should’ve but that is also down to poor squad management, not being able at those times to compete financially and generally the managers just not being backed sufficiently in the transfer market.

Mate I cant disagree with any of that, but it's a real shame that Poch didn't get to leave with a couple of trophies under his belt.