Jose Mourinho

[Mark_147]

Maybe I need to toughen the fuck up then. Our defending still scares me!

Yeah agree from set pieces we need to improve dramatically but the team has improved vastly from last season in terms of our attacking play and ability to break down team's that park the bus, and hojbjerg and ndombele have transformed our midfield. Coaching staff need to be working around the clock now to sort out the mess from set pieces.

 

[Phomesy]

Going to get pelters for this, but oh well.

Long term I think drawing the game was better than if we had held on to 3-2 and kept up the 'we score more than you'style we seem to be in at the moment. Jose previously at 3 nil up would have taken forwards off for midfielders and defenders and killed the game that way. This has served him well previously and is the reason he has won so much in his career.

After the Newcastle game we have really put teams to the sword so we don't get stung again with a one goal lead, but the issues at back have always been there (United and Maccabi). Today we saw even a 3 goal lead does not guarantee you a victory with some of our current players.

I think the attacking football is brilliant but we need Jose to balance it with his winning nous. I don't think any side is going to go the season keeping huge amounts of clean sheets and think this season is really open. I don't see Jose trusting the lads to see it out on their own again if we are winning 3 nil expect him to bulk up defence and midfield and take the sting out of games.

The result today hurts, but long term may be a lot better for us.

PELTER!

 

[ralvy]

Nobody is ever gonna coach Aurier to stop giving away sloppy free kicks.
Never gonna happen.
Ever.

To be fair, that wasn't a sloppy free kick... it wasn't even a free kick at all. That ref totally made it up.

 

[Snarfalicious]

To be fair, that wasn't a sloppy free kick... it wasn't even a free kick at all. That ref totally made it up.

That’s now 2 free kicks given (Newcastle/Joelinton) that were never free kicks that have costed us 4 points. You’ve got to defend in the end, but that’s just so frustrating, especially so early in the season. 4 points right now has us 2nd. Just such a bummer and it’s all fine margins.

 

[Lighty64]

Lamela was injured yesterday.....

you say that, but apparently, after the game during the warm down, they had a few players out there that weren't even on the pitch bench. I think they even had a mini kick about and Lamela was involved along with Alli.

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[ralvy]

That’s now 2 free kicks given (Newcastle/Joelinton) that were never free kicks that have costed us 4 points. You’ve got to defend in the end, but that’s just so frustrating, especially so early in the season. 4 points right now has us 2nd. Just such a bummer and it’s all fine margins.

I know, right? It almost feels like these refs have been given instructions to try making the matches more exciting for neutral fans or something, instead of simply being objective in their calls and decision-making. It's going to be so infuriating when we fail to win the league by less than 4 points.

 

[Wsussexspur]

Jose Mourinho's No 2 Joao Sacramento 'could take charge of Mouscron'

Sacramento has been in the job less than a year after joining when Mourinho replaced Mauricio Pochettino last November, but could now be on his way to Belgium according to Le Soir .

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Rosco1984]

You think he's going to get a lot of game time then?

The fact he wasn't signed in time for Europa groups and we didn't loan him back until January as well as him being a regular international CB suggests to me he was signed to go straight into the first team.

 

[Japhet]

That’s now 2 free kicks given (Newcastle/Joelinton) that were never free kicks that have costed us 4 points. You’ve got to defend in the end, but that’s just so frustrating, especially so early in the season. 4 points right now has us 2nd. Just such a bummer and it’s all fine margins.

There's a certain inevitability about these free kicks, particularly when we sit back and invite pressure. It's the dropping deep and inviting opponents to come at us that annoys the fuck out of me and Refs seem to get very whistle happy in those situations.

 

[JCRD]

I know, right? It almost feels like these refs have been given instructions to try making the matches more exciting for neutral fans or something, instead of simply being objective in their calls and decision-making. It's going to be so infuriating when we fail to win the league by less than 4 points.

That would be our fault in all honesty. Should have killed the game on both counts. Im not a big fan of it all evens itself out because i dont think that is the case when it comes to points, perhaps number of decisions but not points. Put it this way - I dont think Jose will be sitting there in front of the players showing them the video going 'oh well lads we were unlucky its the refs fault' next time eh. He will be and should be grilling them for complacency and a lesson learnt for not killing the game off.

I have to admit and Im not one to blame refs but they have been awful this season and VAR is an absolute disgrace. I have backed refs previously and considered them to be the best in the world, you only have to look at the ref for the England Denmark game to realise this, but the refs seem to have lost their common sense. VAR has made them more incompetent as theyre just now passing responsibility onto VAR

 

[Nebby]

That’s now 2 free kicks given (Newcastle/Joelinton) that were never free kicks that have costed us 4 points. You’ve got to defend in the end, but that’s just so frustrating, especially so early in the season. 4 points right now has us 2nd. Just such a bummer and it’s all fine margins.

While you can never legislate for a ref giving nothing free kicks, you do wonder why fullbacks get themselves in this mess in the first place. They ought to be able to close down without giving the ref the opportunity to award a "foul". This isn't just a Spurs thing; all fullbacks do it.

Bigger issue for me is the amount of goals we concede from deep crosses. That ought to have been fixed on the training pitch by now.

 

[spursfan77]

That’s now 2 free kicks given (Newcastle/Joelinton) that were never free kicks that have costed us 4 points. You’ve got to defend in the end, but that’s just so frustrating, especially so early in the season. 4 points right now has us 2nd. Just such a bummer and it’s all fine margins.

and this shit doesn't even itself out, no matter what anyone says.

 

[spids]

There's a certain inevitability about these free kicks, particularly when we sit back and invite pressure. It's the dropping deep and inviting opponents to come at us that annoys the fuck out of me and Refs seem to get very whistle happy in those situations.

Jose needs to realise it is not 2010 and you cannot defend your own area with brute force and grappling. Any free kick where the ball can be delivered with pace into the box is now a major opportunity. And with VAR and the stupid handball rule, sitting deep and defending a lead is incredibly naive in today's day and age. The best form of defence really is to attack, or at least keep the ball in their half. Bringing Winks on would have been fine if he'd been instructed to play keep ball on the half way line, rather than defend the edge of our box.

 

[Japhet]

Jose needs to realise it is not 2010 and you cannot defend your own area with brute force and grappling. Any free kick where the ball can be delivered with pace into the box is now a major opportunity. And with VAR and the stupid handball rule, sitting deep and defending a lead is incredibly naive in today's day and age. The best form of defence really is to attack, or at least keep the ball in their half. Bringing Winks on would have been fine if he'd been instructed to play keep ball on the half way line, rather than defend the edge of our box.

Seems obvious to me but Mourinho seems to like it.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Let's be honest, us giving up possession is not new under Jose. We saw it in many games last season where teams had no right to have more of the ball than us yet they did. Even against Maccabi where we won 7-2 at home, for me they made the game very uncomfortable for us until we started to pull away.

I'm not sure what it is, well maybe it's just that we are set up by design to be a counter attacking team. Which we are at least getting right for the most part. However the defending deep for us is a massive issue that is a result of being this counter attacking team.

We need to be better in possession, which is difficult when roughly a 3rd of the team is made up of players like Aurier, Sanchez, Sissoko and Winks. And this is no disrespect to them players, they just aren't comfortable at all in possession when pressed.

 

[King of Otters]

Let's be honest, us giving up possession is not new under Jose. We saw it in many games last season where teams had no right to have more of the ball than us yet they did. Even against Maccabi where we won 7-2 at home, for me they made the game very uncomfortable for us until we started to pull away.

I'm not sure what it is, well maybe it's just that we are set up by design to be a counter attacking team. Which we are at least getting right for the most part. However the defending deep for us is a massive issue that is a result of being this counter attacking team.

We need to be better in possession, which is difficult when roughly a 3rd of the team is made up of players like Aurier, Sanchez, Sissoko and Winks. And this is no disrespect to them players, they just aren't comfortable at all in possession when pressed.

This is the one thing that frustrates me watching us atm. All too often we seem content to pass the ball back to the CBs and stand back and watch as Lloris hoofs it up field. Nine times out of ten the opposition's defenders win the ball and they can start to build possession again in their half.

It happens so often that I have to think it's not accidental. And it's why, even 3-0 up with 8 minutes to play, we're unable to control the game in the way we should.

 

[spursfan77]

Let's be honest, us giving up possession is not new under Jose. We saw it in many games last season where teams had no right to have more of the ball than us yet they did. Even against Maccabi where we won 7-2 at home, for me they made the game very uncomfortable for us until we started to pull away.

I'm not sure what it is, well maybe it's just that we are set up by design to be a counter attacking team. Which we are at least getting right for the most part. However the defending deep for us is a massive issue that is a result of being this counter attacking team.

We need to be better in possession, which is difficult when roughly a 3rd of the team is made up of players like Aurier, Sanchez, Sissoko and Winks. And this is no disrespect to them players, they just aren't comfortable at all in possession when pressed.

Yep. It was obvious in the second half what was required and the match thread is probably littered with comments from people asking us to just hold onto the ball. After their first goal it was all that was required to see out the game.

Midfield needs improving. Of that I have had no doubt for two years. Bringing Lo Celso on had he been fit instead of Winks would of probably seen us out the game. Maybe Mourinho thought Winks could do this, he doesn't usually give the ball away much after all, it is just that he isn't progressive enough but that wasnt required then.

Selling Winks and sissoko and bringing more quality in in the centre of the park is imperative. Probably one step too far in the previous window but one for next summer. This is actually the reason why I think Mourinho still needs to be given a chance this season. He probably wont win anything with us but if he gets CL qualification like he should then that is more than enough to give him another proper shot at things next season with a capable midfield with proper options in there. At the moment we have three. GLC, Ndombele and Hojbjerg. More is required.

 

[spursfan77]

This is the one thing that frustrates me watching us atm. All too often we seem content to pass the ball back to the CBs and stand back and watch as Lloris hoofs it up field. Nine times out of ten the opposition's defenders win the ball and they can start to build possession again in their half.

It happens so often that I have to think it's not accidental. And it's why, even 3-0 up with 8 minutes to play, we're unable to control the game in the way we should.

Yep. Ogbonna beat Kane in the air 9 times out of 10. But playing it short was fraught with dangers so I can understand knocking it long looking for flick ons for sonny.

 

[chilespurs]

I think defenders (all of them not just ours) are too worried about var & handball, for example trying to play with their arms behind their backs that it's much easier for the attackers. That's what we're seeing in PL results at the start of this season. With Kane, Son & Bale we have the players to take full advantage of this.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

This is the one thing that frustrates me watching us atm. All too often we seem content to pass the ball back to the CBs and stand back and watch as Lloris hoofs it up field. Nine times out of ten the opposition's defenders win the ball and they can start to build possession again in their half.

It happens so often that I have to think it's not accidental. And it's why, even 3-0 up with 8 minutes to play, we're unable to control the game in the way we should.

Couldn't agree more, especially about the ball going back to Lloris and us continuously surrendering possession. But I guess this is the result of having a defence of:

Aurier - not comfortable on the ball
Sanchez - really not comfortable on the ball
Toby - On the decline, probably doesn't want the ball anymore
Reguilon - great on the ball but new to the team/ league

Add to that when you have a Winks or Sissoko in midfield, or even worse both at the same time...

I think Doherty needs to be brought into the team for league games from now on but I'm not sure if receiving the ball from the gk and starting attacks is his strength either but I think he is better on the ball than Serge.

It is probably also a flaw of Hugo, not as good as passing out from the back as a lot of the other top keepers who are very accurate with their passing and with pace so the ball is harder to cut out. Lloris has the floaty lofted pass in his locker but that rarely gets us going as easy to close down.