Jose Mourinho

[Everlasting Seconds]

dragon1 said:
If he wants to save his job he will start Alli with gio and son behind Carlos and have a go

he is under a lot of pressure I can assure you if cl looks like not happening he is likely to be fired

I very much wonder about this. A a player that is injured and a player that's extremely sidelined and a player who has no minutes in the league should come together on the pitch and be enough to save Mourinho's job? That does not compute. Swap Dele, Lo Celso and Vinicius with 3 of Bale/Bergwijn/Lucas Moura and Son, and it might be possible.

 

[Japhet]

His tenure at Man Utd started terribly, with public feuds with Shaw and Pogba. They ended up winning the LC and EL that season, and came 2nd the season after that. I'm no staunch Jose defender, nor an over enthused critic. But there is plenty of reasons to give him the season, and not hit the panic button.

I'm not advocating hitting the panic button, mainly because it would cost an absolute fortune. The players are getting plenty of flak now which is fair enough, but it must be difficult for them to get 'up' for this type of football. I'm assuming he'll be given time but I don't think much will change, sadly.

 

[Gassin's finest]

You're right about Chelsea, but they didn't spend money last season and didn't bring in a top drawer manager yet they did alright. It was in fact spending money that caused their problems this year!

Lamport came in, brought youngsters through and started playing attacking, exciting free-flowing football. Id take that in a heartbeat!

We have quality in the squad and even more than that the right manager, like poch did, like jol did, like redknapp did, will make the team greater than the sum of its parts.

Players want to enjoy playing or at the very least win enough to make them believe in the style of play. We all acknowledged that the trade off with mourinho was that the style of play was shit but we would win something! Well, how's that going for us? So we have the worst of both worlds. Shit football and no success!

He has absolutely got to go immediately. There is no happy ending. As I've said before, no matter what we win there will always be a desire for good football at spurs. Jose will not deliver that. Cannot deliver that. Therefore, why waste time?

There has simply got to be a manager out there who can come in and get this squad at least smiling again and playing something resembling football!

The point isn't just about players... its being able to hire the top managers. That would be very difficult for us.

 

[NEVILLEB]

If Levy and his dim witted crew are managing our player recruitment then it doesn't matter who they bring in.

IT WILL BE THE SAME OUTCOME.

1998	George Graham
2001	David Pleat (C)
2001	Glenn Hoddle
2003	David Pleat (C)
2004	Jacques Santini
2004	Martin Jol
2007	Clive Allen & Alex Inglethorpe (C)
2007	Juande Ramos
2008	Clive Allen & Alex Inglethorpe (C)
2008	Harry Redknapp
2012	André Villas-Boas
2013	Tim Sherwood
2014	Mauricio Pochettino[2]
2019	José Mourinho[3]

 

[spursfan77]

From the Athletic:

I bet the Athletic loved writing that and will revel in any Mourinho demise, they seem to hate him.

I’ll agree some of our players look tired though. Hojbjerg looks like he’s running on empty.

 

[WannaDanceWithUdogie]

He needs to put his ego aside and start our third top scorer from last season

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

How can levy apply pressure for a top 4 finish with the defence as it is? It's hapless, and there's no better coach to sort it.

Look at the current teams in champs league positions, onions but they are streets ahead.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I bet the Athletic loved writing that and will revel in any Mourinho demise, they seem to hate him.

I’ll agree some of our players look tired though. Hojbjerg looks like he’s running on empty.

Actually no. I used to be snobby about the Athletic, but I've discovered that the benefit of paying for good journalism results in balanced articles. They went on to counter the observations with the fact that he still won trophies at Man Utd, and got them 2nd.

 

[tototoner]

I'm not sure we can look at Levy and the board for this. They backed Jose in the summer and brought in players who we were all happy with, including getting Bale back which we all thought was a brilliant move. This is all down to Jose and the team now, Levy delivered a summer during a pandemic that we would not have dreamed of in a regular transfer window.

Levy has been chairman for 20 years this month and in that time has delivered 1 League Cup and overseen the worst period trophy wise in our history

9 permanent and 2 caretaker managers in that time yet one constant demoninator - Daniel Levy

 

[spursfan77]

Actually no. I used to be snobby about the Athletic, but I've discovered that the benefit of paying for good journalism results in balanced articles. They went on to counter the observations with the fact that he still won trophies at Man Utd, and got them 2nd.

I haven’t read the article, just the bit you posted, so there was no context. Those that cover spurs were setting him up for a fall from the start. Have a look at Pitt Brooke’s articles from when he was appointed.

 

[HodisGawd]

He may have won two cups and finishes second at Man U, but that was not enough and he was sacked and considered universally as a failure. That's because those trophies mean nothing at Man U because they are a big club. It's all about the league and the Champs League and that should be the same for us. If he wins the Carabao but fails to qualify for the CLUB, that is a failure in my book.

We need to qualify for the CL, that is imperative, and right now it looks unlikely.

 

[felmani26]

The problem was always going to be the fact that despite his protestations on taking over that his style has changed, a leopard doesn't change his spots and to be honest, on the whole we accepted that if it yields winning football.

That lack of leeway given ultimately means that once results turn bad then expect vociferous anger from the fans over the style of football and we can all be in that same mindset of just how dire, unimaginative, predictable and one paced we are right now.

He was brought in to deliver silverware and like it or not, we are still involved in all 3 Cup competitions including obviously the final. It may well be the case that Europa gets prioritised from hereon with the lure of Champions League football attached to a trophy.

The big question is dressing room morale and whether they back Jose's rigid, risk averse strategy or not and if cracks appear - potentially exacerbated with the Aurier fallout - then that usually spells the beginning of the end for the manager.

 

[Stamford]

dragon1 said:
If he wants to save his job he will start Alli with gio and son behind Carlos and have a go
for those who think Daniel will not sack him think again , he is not on the massive numbers Touted he is on a similar contract to Poch
poch was sacked as we were 13th and Jose promised cl , cl money is paramount to our finance model
today was a huge test and a test of Jose management without Kane he failed dismally
he is under a lot of pressure I can assure you if cl looks like not happening he is likely to be fired

So he should start Alli who has looked off the boil even before Jose has arrived and is more interested in getting drunk at Tape night club. Honestly letting the likes of Alli just swan back in regardless of Jose going is the opposite of what needs to happen. We need a clear out, the likes of Lamela need to be gone, the squad is completely stale

 

[Timberwolf]

Really??? He won't go before the end of the season unless it turns into an absolute disaster. And by disaster I mean tumbling down the league and players openly complaining about him.

As long as we have a chance of EL, DL will persist because he brought him in for trophies. He'll also want him in for the League Cup final as thats usually the stage where Jose shines.

It sounds ridiculous to say it, but if Jose does win the League Cup or Europa League it might actually do more damage than good in the long term.

Levy clearly has the horn for Jose in a way he hasn't had for any manager in living memory. Even Poch never got toadied in quite the same way that "serial winner" Jose seems to be. If we finish in say, 8th, but win a cup, I think Levy will find it hard to pull the trigger on his man, and you can bet Jose will be in his ear talking up his own achievements. Then we have another summer of Jose-signings, the slow discontent will spread to the players and before you know it we've lost another season as we're forced to sack Jose in November when thing inevitably decline and bring in a stop-gap. Better to make a clean break, bring in someone fresh and try to keep our stars on board and perhaps even reintegrate Dele before it's too late.

Given how desperate we've been for silverware in the past 5 years it seems utterly mad to turn down even a league cup at this point, but I'd rather have some genuine hope for the future and actually look forward to watching us play again than have a solitary trophy.

It's been a constant debate on here for the past 2 years - how Poch, for all his brilliance just wasn't a real winner and how we needed someone who could get us over the line. I was very much in agreement, but this year of watching Jose-ball has finally worn me down and made me realise that, at heart, I'm more of a romantic. I'd genuinely prefer to see us play good attacking football week-in week-out even if that diminished the chances of silverware a little, especially if watching this shite is the price to pay for a league cup win.

 

[Sissoko1234]

Get Ralph in at the end of season and let him bring Ings with him

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

He may have won two cups and finishes second at Man U, but that was not enough and he was sacked and considered universally as a failure. That's because those trophies mean nothing at Man U because they are a big club. It's all about the league and the Champs League and that should be the same for us. If he wins the Carabao but fails to qualify for the CLUB, that is a failure in my book.

We need to qualify for the CL, that is imperative, and right now it looks unlikely.

How do you qualify for it when all the teams in the positions are far more suited? Granted its a turbulent year, but this team isn't top 4 material imo. Dreadful mentality and poor defensive players in general.

 

[Dov67]

I was never a Jose fanboy but i was never anti-Jose either. From the start i wanted to give him a chance because his record in the game warranted respect (and hope as Spurs fan). The agenda some in the press have against him (Olover Holt in particular), and the lazy cliches and the bog standard narratives trotted out disguised as informed opinion irritated me.

So, i was always far more pro Mourinho than anti.

Last night’s performance, on the back of how we have been playing for 6/7 weeks have flipped me, and I am now highly sceptical that this is going to work

I am desperate for him to succeed, and maybe he still will as other clubs this season (the goons in particular) have recovered from what we all thought was a death spiral.

He cannot complain he wasn’t backed in the market and even if he wasn’t these players are good enough to be doing a lot better than they are.

I’ve now got this horrible feeling that this is the beginning of the end and things will get a lot worse before he eventually goes, which I don’t expect will be before the end of the season.

not sure a carraboa cup win will be enough either and who would bet on us beating city anyway

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

How do you qualify for it when all the teams in the positions are far more suited? Granted its a turbulent year, but this team isn't top 4 material imo. Dreadful mentality and poor defensive players in general.

I'll be pedantic and remind all of us that top 4 is not the only way. Top 5 CAN be enough under certain circumstance.s Winning the EL is enough. Of course winning the EL is a far shot, or so it must seem to us all. But we do have a rather agreeable next round, and based on that, we have as much of a chance as any to progress.

 

[the yid]

Levy has been chairman for 20 years this month and in that time has delivered 1 League Cup and overseen the worst period trophy wise in our history

9 permanent and 2 caretaker managers in that time yet one constant demoninator - Daniel Levy

Look I'm ENIC Out they've never backed a manager but with Jose I don't think we can say he wasn't backed we addressed every position he wanted addressed apart from 1 in the summer.

HAVING SAID THAT the majority of us knew Jose was the wrong choice of manager but Levy appointed him that's ENICs fault here

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

I'll be pedantic and remind all of us that top 4 is not the only way. Top 5 CAN be enough under certain circumstance. Winning the EL is enough. Of course winning the EL is a far shot, or so it must seem to us all, but we do have a rather agreeable next round, and based on that, we have as much of a chance as any to progress.

Good point well made. Obviously I was thinking of the prem in isolation.