Jose Mourinho

[Gilzean at the near post]

Aurier has been better with Moura in a more fixed position in front of him and greater time spent defending

 

[yusrisafri]

You have completely ignored the part where we have won nothing in recent years though.

Yes it's hypothetical, but it's based on us improving since he took over from Poch. We where in a ridiculous slide which somehow he's managed to fix.

Fair enough mate.

But I really cannot see how these kind of performances can translate into a consistent set of results.

Time will tell. As of now, my glass is still half empty, as it has always been the case when discussing Spurs.

 

[dtxspurs]

What mess exactly?

Did he leave Inter with a mess?
Did he leave Chelsea in a mess? Even though they went on to win the league the following season (and implode again the year after under Conte)
Did he leave Madrid in a mess? Or did they win the CL the following season.

He doesn't leave clubs "in a mess" his position just becomes untenable either because he falls out with the board or some players stop playing for him.

He lost the players in his last three jobs but the board still liked him (United excluded). None of those clubs had a mess in their squad.

He left Inter because he achieved everything and he helped create a real family atmosphere between every one in the club. I've heard that first hand from one of his ex-players.

He left Chelsea first time because Abramovich was imposing himself and telling Jose how to play, to which Jose had enough.

When things go sour with him at the club, we'll move on quickly and I'm sure the squad will be fine.

Finally, you want to know what a mess is?

The one Jose inherited. A team who hadn't won away since January, a team who were in relegation form, a squad of players who were on their feet from the years of high intensity pressing and same old training methods, players who'd been replaced by inferior options and a complete lack of morale.

That's not a bash at Poch. It's to prove that all teams are left in a 'bad' condition when a coach leaves.

Probably fair that most clubs aren't in a great spot during a manager change... but.

Inter went from 10 years of straight champions league football & 5 straight Seria A finals to the year after he left 6th place finish, 9th continued to 6 straight seasons of no champions league. From what I've read he overhauled the squad with older players and left the squad in a bad shape.

Madrid are Madrid and they're hard to mess up. But good lord maybe don't pick fights with Ramos, Casillas & Ronaldo??

Chelsa second time went from 1st to 10th and back to first after he left, but he pissed off the players and board. The issue here is that Chelsea can spend their way out of that. Spurs can't that's what scares me about this whole ordeal.

ManU were a mess before but once again pissing off some of their best players to the point they wanted out, once again a club like Spurs can't afford that.

So a mess maybe a stretch, but outside of Inter he's been at clubs that could buy their way out of these issues. Spurs can't and won't.

edit: did some more research and Inter we covered. But Madrid the year after Mourinho left bought Bale, Isco, Illaramendi for big bucks plus Carvajal & Casemiro. Chelsea, spent over 100 mil on Kante, Batshuayi, Alonso & David Luiz. ManU this year bought Maguire, AWB, Fernandes and Daniel James.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

In an ideal world, Jose would be only utilising Lloris, Alderweireld, Dier, Sanchez, Davies, Winks, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Son, Lucas, Bergwijn & Kane from our current squad crop...12 out of our 25 man squad I think have shown enough to warrant starting or squad places.

If anyone thinks one summer will alter how we perform drastically they honestly have another thing coming. 4 in this summer, 4 in next and we’ll start to see a Mourinho looking Sours take shape but until then, it’s growing pains whilst steadying the ship for immediate reasons.

We will get there under Jose, but please do back the guy and the players if we don’t look close to the finished article come the beginning of the season. People have to understand that this isn’t his squad of players, he’s piecing things together and did a damn sight better results wise in doing so than Poch did. Give him time to replace 50% of the guys not able to hit the notes for us with fresh blood and don’t throw a strop if inevitably it takes a while before we start to see the new era we’ll and truly kicking in. Well done to Jose, Europe whilst patching things up from top to bottom is a very sound return.

 

[DaleMurphy]

To be fair to Aurier I think he has been quite solid since the restart.

Crossing from wide areas not withstanding.

seems unfair to expect a forward pressing fullback to cross from a central or opposite field area

 

[SpursSince1980]

Jose was reputedly on a £2 mill bonus to get us CL football. Dunno how much the EL would get him ?

A tepid hand job?

 

[SPURSLIFE]

In an ideal world, Jose would be only utilising Lloris, Alderweireld, Dier, Sanchez, Davies, Winks, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Son, Lucas, Bergwijn & Kane from our current squad crop...12 out of our 25 man squad I think have shown enough to warrant starting or squad places.

If anyone thinks one summer will alter how we perform drastically they honestly have another thing coming. 4 in this summer, 4 in next and we’ll start to see a Mourinho looking Sours take shape but until then, it’s growing pains whilst steadying the ship for immediate reasons.

We will get there under Jose, but please do back the guy and the players if we don’t look close to the finished article come the beginning of the season. People have to understand that this isn’t his squad of players, he’s piecing things together and did a damn sight better results wise in doing so than Poch did. Give him time to replace 50% of the guys not able to hit the notes for us with fresh blood and don’t throw a strop if inevitably it takes a while before we start to see the new era we’ll and truly kicking in. Well done to Jose, Europe whilst patching things up from top to bottom is a very sound return.

Sounds like you're making excuses for him before the season starts.

 

[Shadydan]

Sounds like you're making excuses for him before the season starts.

Or setting expectations maybe...

 

[jay2040]

3 more seasons of this entertainment.

Followed by 3 more seasons of anal comments!

 

[Johno1470]

I was never going to judge Jose properly until he had a full season with us. I don't understand how some fans expected Jose to hit the ground running when Poch couldn't get a proper tune out of the team for 12 months prior to Jose arriving. The reality is if we would have hired a Nagalsman, Rodgers type, fans would be wanting to give them a bucket load of time to get things right. Even if that meant trying to play attacking football whilst the shambles of a defence just leaked goals. I'm not going to throw out stats as it's pretty well documented that Jose has a better expected goals, defensive record and points per game ratio than Poch averaged in the last 12 months of his time with us.

Some fans need to stop living in the 15/16 and 16/17 season when we 'nearly' won something. That's in the past. That manager lost the dressing room and several key players were wanting out. Jose has come in, inherited a mess in complete different circumstances and steadied the ship. Yes performances haven't been the best but results have settled down and become far more consistent.

We have hired a manager that has a record of winning when he gets backed with signings. Now it's time for Levy to deliver. He never backed Poch 100% but now he needs to back Jose with signings he needs and not second rate options.

 

[Spurrific]

Other managers have "got a tune" out of far worse squads than us without being given 4 transfer windows to do so. As long as we're winning, I don't care - but there's no legitimate excuse for our performances to not significantly improve next season.

 

[Johno1470]

Other managers have "got a tune" out of far worse squads than us without being given 4 transfer windows to do so. As long as we're winning, I don't care - but there's no legitimate excuse for our performances to not significantly improve next season.

Klopp took 3 seasons and Pep needed a full season and about £400million to get his squad where he wanted. We're not a relegation threatened team that just needs a manager to bounce back. There's getting a tune out of the players but then there's competing for top 4. We were in a CL final 13 months ago and some seem to blame Jose for where we're at now. The guy to blame is Poch.

 

[freeeki]

A continuation of our Poch form would have put us in a relegation battle.

A continuation of our Jose form would have put us 3rd.

And yet some people still pretend they can't see any progress. Mind-numbing cognitive dissonance.

 

[Spurrific]

Klopp took 3 seasons and Pep needed a full season and about £400million to get his squad where he wanted. We're not a relegation threatened team that just needs a manager to bounce back. There's getting a tune out of the players but then there's competing for top 4. We were in a CL final 13 months ago and some seem to blame Jose for where we're at now. The guy to blame is Poch.

Klopp took them to two finals in his first season, and their squad when he joined them was nowhere near the quality of ours under Jose. I'm fully aware there's some deadwood, and players that Jose doesn't want - but people are talking about our squad like it's Crystal Palace's or something.

I fully expect us to be up there next season, and challenging for trophies, and I'm sure Jose does too - because he doesn't have a loser mentality, going into seasons with excuses ready.

 

[Johno1470]

Klopp took them to two finals in his first season, and their squad when he joined them was nowhere near the quality of ours under Jose. I'm fully aware there's some deadwood, and players that Jose doesn't want - but people are talking about our squad like it's Crystal Palace's or something.

I fully expect us to be up there next season, and challenging for trophies, and I'm sure Jose does too - because he doesn't have a loser mentality, going into seasons with excuses ready.

We finished exactly where I currently put our performances at for the season and that's 6th. We got what we deserved and I hope we make a real go of the Europa League. It will be a great competition for Jose to give game time to the likes of Sessegnon and Gedson. I expect us in the first half of the season to rotate heavily for EL and fully go for the Carabao cup and Premier League. Hopefully a few signings this summer will help add squad depth that is quality and not just making up the numbers.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Finally, you want to know what a mess is?

The one Jose inherited. A team who hadn't won away since January, a team who were in relegation form, a squad of players who were on their feet from the years of high intensity pressing and same old training methods, players who'd been replaced by inferior options and a complete lack of morale.

That's not a bash at Poch. It's to prove that all teams are left in a 'bad' condition when a coach leaves.

A continuation of our Poch form would have put us in a relegation battle.

A continuation of our Jose form would have put us 3rd.

And yet some people still pretend they can't see any progress. Mind-numbing cognitive dissonance.

Food for thought. Reading that in sequence, I believe there could not be any actual, objective arguments for not backing Mourinho at the least through the year.

 

[emiley heskey]

We finished exactly where I currently put our performances at for the season and that's 6th. We got what we deserved and I hope we make a real go of the Europa League. It will be a great competition for Jose to give game time to the likes of Sessegnon and Gedson. I expect us in the first half of the season to rotate heavily for EL and fully go for the Carabao cup and Premier League. Hopefully a few signings this summer will help add squad depth that is quality and not just making up the numbers.

Next season, carabao cup will start before the start of the season. Also teams who are in europe, can field their u23 teams in carabao cup according to EFL.

 

[Styopa]

Excluding an abysmal run before lockdown which coincided with key injuries to Kane, Son et al our results, at least, in the league have actually been very good.

For comparison sake:

Of Mourinho's 26 league matches in charge, we have won 13, drawn 6 and lost 7. That's an average point ratio of 1.73 points, which over 38 games = 65.74 points which is around where Chelsea/Man U finished this season.

In the 26 league matches prior to that we won 8, drew 7, lost 11. That's an average point ratio of 1.19 points, which over 38 games = 42.52 points which is about where Crystal Palace finished this season.

It is simply undeniable that our results in the league have improved considerably since Mourinho took over.

Whether one thinks the nature of our performances have improved is more subjective. Personally I feel as if we had stopped being enjoyable to watch a good 9 or 10 months before Mourinho took charge, excluding of course a few incredible moments in the Champions League. We have been similarly dreadful to watch in many of the games since Mourinho took over, especially immediately either side of lockdown. However given the circumstances in which Mourinho arrived at the club i.e. our terrible form over 25+ games, the fact he took over 12 matches into the season, a run of injuries to key attacking players, and the exceptional circumstances of this season, it is not really that surprising that at times we have looked disjointed and ponderous. With this is mind, I think it makes sense to reserve judgement until at least 10 matches into next season about what sort of team Mourinho is moulding us into.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

It is simply undeniable that our results in the league have improved considerably since Mourinho took over.

Whether one thinks the nature of our performances have improved is more subjective. Personally I feel as if we had stopped being enjoyable to watch a good 9 or 10 months before Mourinho took charge

 

[spursfan77]

Next season, carabao cup will start before the start of the season. Also teams who are in europe, can field their u23 teams in carabao cup according to EFL.

If that is the case then I think we may well still take it seriously to a degree. I would pass up the chance to win it even if that is the case. The record books won't say that.