Jose Mourinho

[BringBack_leGin]

This season is terribly disappointing, but since the return our form hasn't been awful, it's just been awful to watch. This is compounded by the fact we needed to go on an absolution tear up and basically win out to make a dream of a top 4 finish. I think many of us hoped Son and Kane would return and deliver this dream.

This hasn't happened. The football is as dead as the empty stadiums.

Last 5 games we won 8 points. That's 1.875 per game. Spin that out over a season and that's 71 points. Over the last decade that gets you anywhere from 2nd to 6th place. Again, not defending the tactics, just looking at the numbers.

This isn't as miserable as people are making out from a form perspective. And yes we can be upset about the boring football, but let's not embarrass ourselves. If this is our form with terrible football, let's see what a bit more tinkering with the squad produces.

It’s 1.6 points per game which equates to 60/61 over a season

 

[dontcallme]

You are totally right, we shouldn’t judge him now and he definitely deserves more time but I’ll be honest I don’t really care what he deserves. I’m much more concerned with his ability to rebuild the squad and the likelihood that he’ll be able to turn it around.

I don’t want to be sat here in Feb/March next year when we’re mid table saying to myself “well at least we gave him the time he deserved, we gave him a fair crack” (which probably wouldn’t be true anyway with Levy as chairman)

At the moment I just see no evidence that he’ll be able to do either. I guess as far as the squad rebuild goes he won’t have total, or even that much, control over transfers anyway so that part doesn’t really matter which just leaves us with can he turn it around? Looking at the players at the moment I’d say no.

I’m keen to see how these last few games play out. Get a drubbing against Arsenal and only pick up a few points from our remaining games after that and I couldn’t really give a shit about giving him a fair crack, tbh.

I acknowledge that some of this is down to it being Mourinho, though, and whilst I was on board with him coming in it’s still Mourinho at the end of the day and it’s hard to block out those previous 15-20 years of him being a ****. I accept that’s all on me being a prick, though, and naturally I’m a fickle twat so if he does turn it around I’ll be singing his praises no doubt.

For me that is what the forum is about. Share your opinions, positive or negative, and if you're wrong who gives a shit.

I was in favour of Jose's appointment but was never particularly confident of my view. I often misjudge managers.

So far he has done OK. Results since the restart have been ok but the performances have not been. Next season is where I start to judge if he is right for the club.

A big challenge of his is if he can get the board buying players he wants.

 

[E17yid]

For me that is what the forum is about. Share your opinions, positive or negative, and if you're wrong who gives a shit.

I was in favour of Jose's appointment but was never particularly confident of my view. I often misjudge managers.

So far he has done OK. Results since the restart have been ok but the performances have not been. Next season is where I start to judge if he is right for the club.

A big challenge of his is if he can get the board buying players he wants.

Yeah that last bit is crucial and none of us know what’s going to happen there. If Levy called me up now and told me he was going to give Mourinho total control of the budget I think that would worry me more tbh. I doubt he will have full control, though. My money would be on a very similar dynamic as Levy and co had with Poch in that Poch got final say on player but the players weren’t always necessarily Poch targets.

 

[dontcallme]

Yeah that last bit is crucial and none of us know what’s going to happen there. If Levy called me up now and told me he was going to give Mourinho total control of the budget I think that would worry me more tbh. I doubt he will have full control, though. My money would be on a very similar dynamic as Levy and co had with Poch in that Poch got final say on player but the players weren’t always necessarily Poch targets.

I am of the opinion that right now we could do with some Redknapp style "stop gap" signings. Just some solid, experienced players to do the job the manager needs to the help the current players to shine.

By reputation and transfer fee the signings over the last 2 windows have been to a higher quality but we need players to turn us into a team.

 

[muppetman]

So it seems that the people that want to give Jose a chance, don't believe he can do it with this group of players - is that fair?

If so, how many do you think we need to swap and what are our chances of doing so?

If we talk about players we need to ship out and buy in an improved version I think we are talking:
Jan/Toby - at least one of
Aurier
Sissoko/Winks - at least one needs to be upgraded
Moura
Lamela

plus in an ideal world
Dier
Davies

lastly
Sessegnon/Foyth/Skipp/Gedson either need to start playing regularly or get moved on.

I just don't see that as being achievable - so are we hoping he buys a DM and somehow this transforms everything?

 

[thekneaf]

It’s 1.6 points per game which equates to 60/61 over a season

OK, wow, that was not my finest mathematical hour.

 

[dontcallme]

So it seems that the people that want to give Jose a chance, don't believe he can do it with this group of players - is that fair?

If so, how many do you think we need to swap and what are our chances of doing so?

If we talk about players we need to ship out and buy in an improved version I think we are talking:
Jan/Toby - at least one of
Aurier
Sissoko/Winks - at least one needs to be upgraded
Moura
Lamela

plus in an ideal world
Dier
Davies

lastly
Sessegnon/Foyth/Skipp/Gedson either need to start playing regularly or get moved on.

I just don't see that as being achievable - so are we hoping he buys a DM and somehow this transforms everything?

I believe our squad is very unbalanced in terms of playing styles and no manager would be able to turn them into a team and get the best out of every player. One transfer window will not completely address that.

But I believe 2 full backs and a DM would turn us into a team.

 

[tototoner]

It took Klopp four years to win - Mourinho

Jose Mourinho says he can win trophies at Tottenham and does not think the club need to make a "huge investment" this summer.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SuperPav10]

Open question for all (but especially those not supporting José), but what are your views on Simeone and how his Atletico team plays?

 

[carpediem991]

To give the full picture:

14/15: 53
15/16: 35 goals against
16/17: 26
17/18: 36
18/19: 39

17 of this season's conceded was in Poch's 12 games (1.42 per game) - we've conceded 27 in 22 since (1.22).

I'd say there there's enough to indicate that defence was one of the many things that were becoming an increasing problem beyond that peak season we had. We were returning back to the exact same mess he started off with.

I do not disagree that and it was absolutely woeful and unacceptable in Pochs last year. But to say it was a Poch problem for a long time and prevented us of winning something is just wrong in my eyes.

Because lots of the shit that happened at the end were individual errors and not necessary the defensive structure.

 

[Goobers]

Some people, mainly the enjoyable but woefully inept English pundits, see Simeone's football is boring and negative.
I think it is aggressive, intense and really fun to watch. That kind of making defending an offensive ploy is really cool.

 

[carpediem991]

To give the full picture:

14/15: 53
15/16: 35 goals against
16/17: 26
17/18: 36
18/19: 39

17 of this season's conceded was in Poch's 12 games (1.42 per game) - we've conceded 27 in 22 since (1.22).

I'd say there there's enough to indicate that defence was one of the many things that were becoming an increasing problem beyond that peak season we had. We were returning back to the exact same mess he started off with.

Neither pro Poch or Mou but this comparison is hardly really impressive. Of course we concede less when we often in a game refuse to attack at all...

Still we look weak as fck when some sort of quality attacks our back line.

 

[ajspurs]

I think Jose mostly always says the right things to be fair, I mean since his appointment. I generally like hearing what he has to say. I just want to see things that I can like too. Like for the love of god can we have a way of constructing attacks other than through Aurier. You would think that to be a possibility even with any of our shortcomings.

 

[mr ashley]

So it seems that the people that want to give Jose a chance, don't believe he can do it with this group of players - is that fair?

If so, how many do you think we need to swap and what are our chances of doing so?

If we talk about players we need to ship out and buy in an improved version I think we are talking:
Jan/Toby - at least one of
Aurier
Sissoko/Winks - at least one needs to be upgraded
Moura
Lamela

plus in an ideal world
Dier
Davies

lastly
Sessegnon/Foyth/Skipp/Gedson either need to start playing regularly or get moved on.

I just don't see that as being achievable - so are we hoping he buys a DM and somehow this transforms everything?

I think you’ve identified the players that are holding us back ( apart from Jan/Toby)
Sissoko, lamela, aurier and moura are all too limited in their ability.
If we could get a quality CDM, that would allow us to play a more balanced attacking style, with two adventurous fullbacks ( sessegnon plus a new RB)
A new wide forward / CAM would help- in this case I’d hope for Eze, and then maybe Willian.
If we could get a CB to replace Jan, then great-although I think with dier and tanganga we have that covered.
The most important addition I think is a back up CF, to enable to Kane to be rested ( or even dropped if not performing).
Foyth, Parrot and maybe Skipp on loan (unless we plan to use him).
So, three positions would make a big difference (CDM, CF, RB). Anything else is a bonus

 

[SuperPav10]

Some people, mainly the enjoyable but woefully inept English pundits, see Simeone's football is boring and negative.
I think it is aggressive, intense and really fun to watch. That kind of making defending an offensive ploy is really cool.

Yea, I agree. I love it. It's frustrating at times, I want them to break ranks and attack but it's all about picking the right time. What they did to Liverpool in the CL was perfect. I wonder if that's what José wants to do with us. Build this solid, immovable force, that can kill you with one or two attacks.

 

[Metalhead]

Yea, I agree. I love it. It's frustrating at times, I want them to break ranks and attack but it's all about picking the right time. What they did to Liverpool in the CL was perfect. I wonder if that's what José wants to do with us. Build this solid, immovable force, that can kill you with one or two attacks.

I think that’s a fair analysis of what he’s driving towards.

 

[slartibartfast]

I dont think JM will turn this around BUT I remember Poch playing some utter shite when he came in and wanting him to pull his finger out as well. I remember taking the piss out of Liverpool as it was looking like Klopp was a clueless moron for about 1 and a half seasons (Went a whole season not bringing in a centerback when every fan, pundit and media outlet in the whole country could see thats where the problem was).
So I'll give him some time. His CV is second to none so surely it cant all be down to spending shit piles of cash at every club he's been at, can it?

 

[slartibartfast]

I do not disagree that and it was absolutely woeful and unacceptable in Pochs last year. But to say it was a Poch problem for a long time and prevented us of winning something is just wrong in my eyes.

Because lots of the shit that happened at the end were individual errors and not necessary the defensive structure.

Its also very easy to look back at stats like that and ignore that we had 4 or 5 of our starting 11 injured for months. No kane, Son, Sissoko, Lloris, Dier, Wanyama was done, erikson one eye on the door as was Toby and Verts, Rose also on way out.
Apart from that there was no excuse for those type of performances lol.

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

My confusion in all this is.....

When we sacked Poch, he was going on about needing a painful rebuild, he was clearly getting fed up and you could see that in his press conferences. Our form and play had become stale.

Now it appeared to me, that he was sacked because it was felt that he was underachieving with the squad and there were those who firmly believed that we just needed a winner who could push this squad over the line. Hence some excitement over Mourinho replacing Poch.

Mourinho himself was claiming he was excited with this squad and that he was refreshed and ready with a new brand of football.
It was music to levy's ears to hear a manager with Jose winning CV saying how great our squad is, when he had Poch bemoaning we needed investment. Jose was the cheaper option and Levy expected to see the trophies to compliment the world class stadium he has seen built.

So where are we today?

Mourinho hasn't given us a new brand of football, it's the same Mourinho and the football alongside the performances are painful to watch. Things could potentially change with some signings, but this points to the fact that our squad clearly wasn't underachieving and Poch was indeed correct in his assessment that we needed a rebuild.

So do we stick with Mourinho, give him a budget and hope we win a trophy, in the meantime putting up with the dire football that we now play?

I don't know the answer to that question, but there is growing unrest about where we are heading and i fear Mourinho needs a decent result or at least performance against Arsenal tomorrow or things will start to turn toxic.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

"Powerful people don't get criticised", Jose starting to lose his shit already. Reminds me of the "respect, respect, respect, media walk out". If we lose to Arsenal and play poorly i think he will be close to exploding again.