Jose Mourinho

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Get rid of him right now and spend the next few weeks getting in a proper, progressive manager for the rebuild we need.

If we can’t get Poch back, then get Nagelsmann or Marco Rose.

Bite the bullet and get rid of this dinosaur, otherwise things will only get worse.

 

[SUIYHA]

First of all - it's perfectly acceptable to have felt that Pochettino's time had come to an end whilst also thinking that Mourinho was not the right choice to replace him. They're not mutually exclusive opinions. It's clear that we were going through a slump towards the end of Poch's time but instead of arresting the slump Mourinho seems to have accelerated it at a pace that I don't think even the most sceptical of us ever thought possible.

I firmly believe that Levy hired Mourinho as a short term appointment to get the "yer but no trophies" monkey off his back. For all the improvements we'd made on and off the pitch, people would not consider us a genuinely big club whilst we kept missing out on silverware, so he went for the man that is supposedly a guarantee of it. However we seem to have fast-forwarded past the trophy winning part that Mourinho starts his new clubs with and instead gone straight to the miserable part that usually comes in season three when it all implodes. The ultimate Spursy - even Mourinho can't win trophies with us.

Let's be clear. The football served up since lockdown and in the month or so before it is unacceptable and inexcusable. Even allowing for injuries, squad deficiencies, mental fragility, whatever mitigating circumstances you can come up with - there is absolutely no justification for the team playing like this. It can ONLY be at all acceptable to play like this if it involves winning trophies or at least reaching objectives (eg - Champions League qualification), but as we have been knocked out of both cups in quite humiliating circumstances and look set to finish at least 10 points off CL qualification even though by some miracle it has dropped down to 5th place - the justification just isn't there.

Newcastle have played West Ham, Sheffield Utd and Bournemouth since lockdown, just like us. They stuck nine goals past them and took three more points than we did. We barely even had nine attempts on goal - in fact we've only created one "big chance" in our last three matches - none of which were exactly against elite opposition. I know our squad has deficiencies, but are you actually telling me that Newcastle have a better team than us right now? Even away from home against a clearly superior team, could you ever imagine a Klopp or Guardiola side failing to even get a sniff of a chance in a match? Let alone over a run of games against mid-table or lower teams. It just wouldn't happen. It's not just the tactics being unsuitable for this group of players - already articulated in this thread - but it seems the coaching is really bad at the moment. Players are misplacing simple passes. You never see us attempting crisp one touch moves in the final third. All we've got is just pass it around slowly, take far too many touches on the ball, then eventually play it out wide to hope Aurier can whip in a ball to someone in the box and it never works, or that Son can cut inside on his right foot to shoot from distance. This is a coaching issue - plain and simple. Can you blame Mourinho for not challenging Liverpool at the top of the league? Of course not. But he most certainly does deserve all the stick he gets for failing to even create a fucking chance against one of the worst teams in the league.

I've always said whenever we appoint a new manager - I don't necessarily expect us to become the best team in the land but I do expect us to be fun to watch as a minimum requirement. This is an entertainment industry after all. I used to watch Spurs because I loved it, now it just feels like a chore. I got through the Graham and AVB days, but at least back then we had Ginola and Bale respectively. This just feels hopeless. And it's not just me - the club won't gain any new fans like this and the next big talents aren't going to look at us thinking they want a piece of this. A year ago we signed Ndombele and Lo Celso and were able to get the interest of players like Dybala. Teams can deal with a dip in league position and recover, but playing football like this means that players like these wouldn't look twice at us now.

At no point in Mourinho's career has he ever turned around a situation like this. He has a fantastic CV of being able to make dominant teams put a tight chokehold on their opposition and deliver big results. But the fact that he has succeeded in those sorts of jobs doesn't mean he is the right man for us at this moment in time. He has never arrested a decline and improved a weaker side to outperform their bigger and and stronger rivals. We don't need someone to install a "winning mentality", whatever that means, we need someone who can coach these players to play their best game and start feeling positively about things. Mourinho's CV is littered with trophies but it's also littered with ruts like these that he's never managed to get out of. Practically this same squad was playing beautiful football challenging for the title not too long ago whilst his Man Utd side, practically the same squad, was playing the way we are now. We have swapped places as he did. Eriksen and Fernandes have been factors but not to the extent that we're seeing.

This leopard has four games left to change his spots. And if he can't then I pray more than anything that Levy has some sort of no Champions League get out clause in his contract because I just can't bear the idea of another season playing like this.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Whatever Jose is doing in training etc is simply not working. We look woeful, as bad if not worse than at the end of Poch's term.

The players are not excused of blame but the buck stops on the pitch with what the game plan is. There simply is no plan. It's turgid football.

He was never the right fit for the club. Wasn't 10 years ago and not now.

We need a younger, creative, thoughtful mind who the players will buy into his philosophy, It's quite clear the players have not bought into Jose's.

I also think with the makeup of our team a 4-3-3 should be the way forward and I can't see Jose going that way.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Get rid of him right now and spend the next few weeks getting in a proper, progressive manager for the rebuild we need.

If we can’t get Poch back, then get Nagelsmann or Marco Rose.

But the bullet and get rid of this dinosaur, otherwise things will only get worse.

What would be the point? I keep asking people this, but if I remember, might be wrong, you're not an ENIC in kinda poster - with them still at the club and the dead wood still here why bring in such a forward thinking mind if he is stuck with such shite on and off the pitch?

 

[Wsussexspur]

Nagelsmann isn't going to happen! People need to stop banging that drum!

 

[EastLondonYid]

Sack him.

Once he's gone you have to replace him and then give the next manager the same squad.

Then you've got to sell all the players so many of the loudest voices in here don't want.

Then you have to bring in players (they won't all be the first choice of the new manager) and wait for them all to bed in.

All this while the people you don't like remain in charge of THFC.

You'll be complaining until you're dead some of you.

Its no point casting Danny Dyer to play a ballet dancer...

JM is the complete wrong fit for our club, he will not build a club from scratch, he can't work without buying the best, he has little patience , and as we will spend little money and have an average squad , how do you think this will end??

 

[Deleted member 27995]

At this rate you better get onto the lads flying the banner over the ground Sunday and get them to change it #Levy#ENIC#Jose#Players out of my club.

Going to be pricey.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Its no point casting Danny Dyer to play a ballet dancer...

JM is the complete wrong fit for our club, he will not build a club from scratch, he can't work without buying the best, he has little patience , and as we will spend little money and have an average squad , how do you think this will end??

No point cutting the head off a dying flower if it's dying at the root.

 

[Gb160]

As someone who has lost both friends and family to suicide I can say that this is the most fucking offensive thing I have ever read on these pages. You should be utterly ashamed!

Although you're spot on, it's very common for pre-pubescent kids to use this sort of thing as an insult mate.
I know this because I had to get on a bus once in the rush hour.

*shudders.

 

[mmidgers]

I’ve never said this shit his fault, but I’m 0% confident in his ability to turn anything around.

He’s lost his hunger for management, probably took the job knowing how it’d go - knowing he’d be sacked and make another 8 figure payout.

Sven mark II

 

[EastLondonYid]

No point cutting the head off a dying flower if it's dying at the root.

i agree....but its time to find a young hungry boss with a philosophy that fits with ours.....and will re-build us over the next few years....this i would accept , i have supported us for far to long not to have proven patience!!!

 

[Metalhead]

It was about 50/50 at the time and if anything it was still leaning in Poch’s favour. But yes, a lot of people bought into the Mourinho Trophy Guarantee. Who are we to say it won’t still happen? The only thing going against it is every shred of evidence.

We didn't know for sure that Mourinho would get the job when Poch was still there though. Info seems to point to him being Levy's 3rd choice. At the end of the day, none of us have any influence whatsoever.

It would probably be interesting to go back and bump a few posts from the Poch thread but tbf, that wouldn't really serve any practical purpose.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

i agree....but its time to find a young hungry boss with a philosophy that fits with ours.....and will re-build us over the next few years....this i would accept , i have supported us for far to long not to have patience!!!

So have I, but I have heard all these complaints before. People yet again get the change in manager but the players are shit. The players are moved on and a mixed bag of new players are bought in. It's the people who run the clubs fault ...

 

[freeeki]

After keeping about three clean sheets all season, we’ve now kept 3 in 4 games (would have been 4 in 5, if not for Pogba’s penalty).

It also looks for the first time in quite a while that we actually have some sort of tactics and game plan on the pitch.

I would say this is progress.

Where it falls down, is the execution of the game plan, and for me that comes down to the players. The majority of our attacking players, including the full backs, are clueless and unintelligent footballers who are almost certainly past their best.

Poch oversaw this rot setting in, and if reports are to be believed declined to sign many players who would have improved us. As for Levy, prioritising penny pinching when he could have signed Grealish for £10m looks more and more foolish every week.

It’s clear where these problems began, and no manager in world football is going to turn things around here in a few months - not Mourinho, not Nagelsman, and not even Saint Poch.

I for one am happy that we have someone ruthless at the helm like Mourinho to oversee the clearing out of this shit, which I’m sure he will do. I’ve no doubt he will manage Levy better than Poch ever could.

May as well buckle in, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

 

[Japhet]

Nagelsmann isn't going to happen! People need to stop banging that drum!

No, but I'd rather we dangled a £15,000,000 salary in front of him in November than what we've ended up with. We're now in a situation where we have to give Mourinho the funds to rebuild and that, for me, is a quite horrific prospect. Can only hope that there were some clauses in JMs contract as a get out of jail card. The football he's serving up is abysmal and makes the worst of AVB and Poch look like a white knuckle ride.

 

[Legacy]

It’s pretty clear to me that the problem is definitely not the manager. Does Jose have a part in it? Ofcourse, he is the manager and has to shoulder some of the blame.

But fuck me, this group of players is finished. Bar Lo Celso, Bergwijn and funnily enough Winks, they all played like utter shit today. And it’s not only today, it’s been almost 2 fucking years of the same sideways passing no movement no attacking cohesion no one twos no off the ball runs no looking for space no showing for the ball bullshit. It’s the end of an era and we need to mop the entire floor here.

Yeah, both the manager and players on the pitch are at fault. However:

Mourinho insists on making Sissoko the single mainstay in our midfield. A professional footballer who wants to get rid of the ball even before he's received it.

Mourinho uses two central midfielders to stay deep to protect the defence and show no attacking ambition.

Mourinho chose Aurier as our primary attacking outlet. A player capable of playing a decent cross once in every ten attempts. Even if he plays a decent cross, there's only ever one player in the box to aim at.

Mourinho turned our left back into a 3rd centre back position. So whoever plays wide left for us (Son/Bergwijn) has no support, no runners creating space or nobody close to provide a quick pass for him to make a run.

Mourinho starts either Lucas or Lamela on the right. Both players insist on dribbling for as long as possible into the middle of the pitch without ever looking like making a decent pass.

Mourinho has opted for us to use the long ball as our primary passing solution, meaning that our attacking players are constantly scrapping for the second ball, but they're always outnumbered so even if they win it, there's nobody close enough to pass to so they lose the ball and we're back on the defensive.

Mourinho keeps our only other proper footballer on the bench, meaning that Lo Celso is charged with being the only creative player on the pitch.

Mourinho eliminated any real form of pressing in favour of sitting deep. Sure, it makes us harder to break down, but when we do win the ball, of our players are so deep in our own half, a successful counter attack would have to involve a Son-against-Burnley solo run.

So yes, we can point fingers at the players not performing. But I'm 100% sure they're being forced to play with their hands tied by the manager's system and tactics.

We can say the players aren't good enough. They might not be good enough to win the league or even finish in the top 4. But they're sure as hell good enough to play better football than a team like Norwich.

 

[EastLondonYid]

So have I, but I have heard all these complaints before. People yet again get the change in manager but the players are shit. The players are moved on and a mixed bag of new players are bought in. It's the people who run the clubs fault ...

Yes... But that doesn't excuse how bad jose has been, two wrongs.... Etc

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Yes... But that doesn't excuse how bad jose has been, two wrongs.... Etc

Missing my point entirely.

I said sack him - it doesn't change the rest of the football club. The things that people are shouting about - players, owners - will have done for two managers.

It's the same every time with Spurs.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Missing my point entirely.

I said sack him - it doesn't change the rest of the football club. The things that people are shouting about - players, owners - will have done for two managers.

It's the same every time with Spurs.

Sorry im at work and just glancing.... Cool

 

[Metalhead]

@Dougal out of interest, I went back to the beginning of October and there was a poll on here with 55.3% in favour of wanting Poch to stay. At the time, people wanted to see how the team would benefit from having GLC, Ndombele and Sessegnon in the side.