Jose Mourinho

[Seafordian Spurs]

It's amazing cause we played that EXACT style with Poch earlier in the season with Kane and Son yet we were completely toothless! But people seem to be forgetting that.

The squad is very disjointed at the moment, especially more so without Kane and Son.

Now, imagine Klopp coming into Liverpool, his best attacker (Firmino) gets ruled out and then his best striker (Mane) gets ruled out. Do people seriously think Klopp would keep playing high up the pitch?? Would he trust Origi and Shaqiri to be great stand ins? Well he tried that before and Liverpool just leaked goals. He'd play to the teams strengths with VVD and Alisson and their midfield by dropping deeper and try catch teams on the counter - which is kinda what they do now.

The point is without the tools, Klopp struggled. Until he'd really worked on the balance Liverpool were a bit of a ying-yang team. It took him 3 YEARS!! Opposition fans were still laughing at him and Liverpool until last season.

We have similar issues and until Jose can work with them all, they will exist.

It's very true. They were very much still a 'banter' team till after that CL final loss when they bought a couple more pieces for the jigsaw.

Klopp was backed though in exactly where he identified the need. Big time.

 

[Gb160]

The point is without the tools, Klopp struggled. Until he'd really worked on the balance Liverpool were a bit of a ying-yang team. It took him 3 YEARS!! Opposition fans were still laughing at him and Liverpool until last season.

We have similar issues and until Jose can work with them all, they will exist.

About a year after he was appointed I was mocking Klopp and his 'Heavy Metal Football' claims, I said they were more like Coldplay than Heavy Metal.

I'm embarrassed tbh.

 

[E17yid]

Would be stupid getting rid in the summer. You’ve got to give him the first part of next season. Normally I’d say all of next season but if we’re playing like this and not winning games we should then we should get rid.

The new style of football thing was funny at the time, fucking piss take now, though.

 

[rossdapep]

It's amazing cause we played that EXACT style with Poch earlier in the season with Kane and Son yet we were completely toothless! But people seem to be forgetting that.

The squad is very disjointed at the moment, especially more so without Kane and Son.

Now, imagine Klopp coming into Liverpool, his best attacker (Firmino) gets ruled out and then his best striker (Mane) gets ruled out. Do people seriously think Klopp would keep playing high up the pitch?? Would he trust Origi and Shaqiri to be great stand ins? Well he tried that before and Liverpool just leaked goals. He'd play to the teams strengths with VVD and Alisson and their midfield by dropping deeper and try catch teams on the counter - which is kinda what they do now.

The point is without the tools, Klopp struggled. Until he'd really worked on the balance Liverpool were a bit of a ying-yang team. It took him 3 YEARS!! Opposition fans were still laughing at him and Liverpool until last season.

We have similar issues and until Jose can work with them all, they will exist.

To add to this. Remember Poch's first season? He'd actually had a full window and preseason yet the team was still really disjointed.

We started with the high press, beating West Ham and rolling over a crap QPR. Then Liverpool embarrassed us at home 0-3. We then spent until January fluctuating between average performance + win to awful performance + defeat. It was awful to watch and it was hard to see which direction we were headed in - some of those early games were a real chore to watch. Not until Poch had firmly got his feet under the table and brought in his own players did we start to look a threat.

So whilst many state "There's no excusing these crap performances", I do think some perspective is needed. We're in transition. Decent performances are always far far away.

 

[E17yid]

I was all on board with Mourinho and still am but if it wasn’t for the total shower of shit that this season has been then I’d be wanting him out now just on how he’s setting us up. I’m clinging on to the slim hope that we’ll be different next season. I’m not holding my breath though

 

[rez9000]

People honestly think that after 3 months that they've given Jose a fair chance?
Our fanbase can be so embarrassing at times...Woolwich levels.

I take comfort in the fact that Levy thinks longer term than these fans, won't shit the bed and will give him time.
If some of these fans ran the club we would honestly have a new manager every month.

It’s bordering on insanity. It’s almost like a mania for one or two on these boards.

Do you know what my second thought was when Chelsea scored their second goal, after the initial ‘Oh shit!’?

It was how toxic SC was going to be, even though the majority are actually level-headed and pleasant to read and interact with, even if I don’t agree with them. But the one or two outliers and their intemperance can really sour the experience at times. When the likes of vegassd say they don’t post as much, I can see why.

For crying out loud, it’s only been three months. If the season had started the day Mourinho was appointed we’d be third in the table right now. Take a moment to consider that. Third. I can understand people being sore after losing to that shower, but for God’s sake, let’s get some perspective.

The sheer unbridled hatred towards our manager is beyond sickening. For good or for ill, you back the person who runs the team, even if you don’t like how he goes about it. They may deny it all they want, but the relish with which some seem to be revelling in the difficulties we’re facing right now is downright disgusting.

When Santini was appointed, I thought, ‘Who?’, but I still backed him. When BMJ took over, I thought, ‘WHO???’, but I backed him. When Redknapp took over, I thought, ‘Are you kidding me???’, but I backed him. Ramos, AVB, Sherwood - I backed them all because they managed my club, they worked to bring me joy, their livelihood was based on making me proud of my tribe. No matter if they do it well or do it badly, they want the same as me and they should be accorded a basic level of respect. I don’t spit on someone trying to give me what I want. Anyone who does, I’m sorry to say, is acting contemptibly (if that’s a word).

I hate to be unkind, but being proven ‘right’ - worse, claiming to have been proven right when the evidence is still not in, and then rejoicing in it when it’s to your own detriment is illogical, suggests deep psychological issues that really should be addressed (and I’m not saying that lightly) and is, quite frankly, sad.

 

[Zippy1980]

Some of need to have a good hard look at yourselves. Like or hate Jose he is OUR manager. Take the lead from our fans yesterday at the bridge and support the team and Manager.

 

[adamsky]

oh there's a plan. people just dont like it. Id get used to it, because its what we've got till August at least. I agree its not pleasing on the eye, but if we can grind out enough 1-0 victories to qualify for CL again Jose will have succeeded.

Think 1-0’s is a bit optimistic. That is half my problem, we are playing defensive tactics but still offering up around 20 chances a match.

 

[fortworthspur]

Think 1-0’s is a bit optimistic. That is half my problem, we are playing defensive tactics but still offering up around 20 chances a match.

agree, and thats what frustrates me. I understand the attacking problems but midfield and defense should be stouter. our shape sucks at the moment.

 

[Ionman34]

You cannot compare that organised, well drilled, Leicester team to what we are watching.
I agree though, too much is made of styles and formations.
All the best teams though always have square pegs in square holes and everybody knows what their job is. They also have a strong backbone of the team and that pretty much stays the same every game, a few tweaks due to injuries etc, but otherwise you can pretty much pick 80% of the team every match before they start and you'd get it right.
We were the same when we finished 2nd.
I appreciate we have injuries and a joke of a squad but we are so far off meeting that criteria its untrue.
It a shambles.
Nobody has any idea what position theyll be in or if they're even starting.
Tanganga has now played in 4 different positions and he's a young player breaking through!
I dont think the back four has been the same twice.
The full backs change every game.
Whose going in front of the defence this match? Absolutely no idea.
And then we wonder why we look a disjointed mess.
If you make that many changes every match it doesnt matter who is available you will more than likely look like the disorganised cluster fuck we have been watching since JM arrived.
Pick your best defence, pick your best midfield, pick your best formation and when possible stick with it until everybody has some idea of who they playing with and what they need to do.

And make them play 2- 3 times a week...

Then you'll be bashing him for burning players out.

Win win for you hey?

 

[Gb160]

It’s bordering on insanity. It’s almost like a mania for one or two on these boards.

Do you know what my second thought was when Chelsea scored their second goal, after the initial ‘Oh shit!’?

It was how toxic SC was going to be, even though the majority are actually level-headed and pleasant to read and interact with, even if I don’t agree with them. But the one or two outliers and their intemperance can really sour the experience at times. When the likes of vegassd say they don’t post as much, I can see why.

For crying out loud, it’s only been three months. If the season had started the day Mourinho was appointed we’d be third in the table right now. Take a moment to consider that. Third. I can understand people being sore after losing to that shower, but for God’s sake, let’s get some perspective.

The sheer unbridled hatred towards our manager is beyond sickening. For good or for ill, you back the person who runs the team, even if you don’t like how he goes about it. They may deny it all they want, but the relish with which some seem to be revelling in the difficulties we’re facing right now is downright disgusting.

When Santini was appointed, I thought, ‘Who?’, but I still backed him. When BMJ took over, I thought, ‘WHO???’, but I backed him. When Redknapp took over, I thought, ‘Are you kidding me???’, but I backed him. Ramos, AVB, Sherwood - I backed them all because they managed my club, they worked to bring me joy, their livelihood was based on making me proud of my tribe. No matter if they do it well or do it badly, they want the same as me and they should be accorded a basic level of respect. I don’t spit on someone trying to give me what I want. Anyone who does, I’m sorry to say, is acting contemptibly (if that’s a word).

I hate to be unkind, but being proven ‘right’ - worse, claiming to have been proven right when the evidence is still not in, and then rejoicing in it when it’s to your own detriment is illogical, suggests deep psychological issues that really should be addressed (and I’m not saying that lightly) and is, quite frankly, sad.

I called someone out in the match thread pre game, I cant remember who it was but what they were basically saying is that they wouldn't even be watching the match because of our playing style under Jose.
I simply cannot get my head around that, this isn't about willy waving and being a better supporter than someone else, it's the fundamental of being a supporter full stop.
If our playing style is pivotal as to whether you even offer your support I'm not sure you even deserve to call yourself a supporter at all.

Our fanbase is riddled with entitlement.

 

[monkeynick]

I called someone out in the match thread pre game, I cant remember who it was but what they were basically saying is that they wouldn't even be watching the match because of our playing style under Jose.
I simply cannot get my head around that, this isn't about willy waving and being a better supporter than someone else, it's the fundamental of being a supporter full stop.
If our playing style is pivotal as to whether you even offer your support I'm not sure you even deserve to call yourself a supporter at all.

Our fanbase is riddled with entitlement.

How come you get to decide who or what a supporter is?

 

[Ionman34]

I called someone out in the match thread pre game, I cant remember who it was but what they were basically saying is that they wouldn't even be watching the match because of our playing style under Jose.
I simply cannot get my head around that, this isn't about willy waving and being a better supporter than someone else, it's the fundamental of being a supporter full stop.
If our playing style is pivotal as to whether you even offer your support I'm not sure you even deserve to call yourself a supporter at all.

Our fanbase is riddled with entitlement.

Our fanbase is riddled with cretins.

 

[Gb160]

How come you get to decide who or what a supporter is?

I don't, but surely offering support is kinda imperative Nick?
The clue is in the name, surely.

 

[allatsea]

Our fanbase is riddled with cretins.

Just think how bad SC would be if we were in the same position as say West Ham.

 

[rez9000]

I called someone out in the match thread pre game, I cant remember who it was but what they were basically saying is that they wouldn't even be watching the match because of our playing style under Jose.
I simply cannot get my head around that, this isn't about willy waving and being a better supporter than someone else, it's the fundamental of being a supporter full stop.
If our playing style is pivotal as to whether you even offer your support I'm not sure you even deserve to call yourself a supporter at all.

Our fanbase is riddled with entitlement.

Exactly. Support of your football club should be, in the final analysis, unconditional, because the only alternative is to support a different club, and anyone willing to switch loyalty so easily isn't really a supporter, they're a consumer.

Which feeds into the thing I keep noticing where people complain about paying money and expecting what they pay for to be precisely to their tastes. Unfortunately, that isn't the way football works. It may be being treated as a business nowadays but it simply isn't something that fits with the traditional fundamentals of that kind of supply-and-demand, market-driven framework. Not if you're a supporter of a specific club. If you're a neutral, then yes, you can pick and choose who you go to see, but if your loyalty is to a specific club, then your choices are pay and accept, or reject and don't pay.

The only thing that paying for a ticket entitles you to is a seat in the stadium. Expecting anything else is just entitlement. The club doesn't exist solely to service an individual's wants alone.

 

[monkeynick]

I don't, but surely offering support is kinda imperative Nick?
The clue is in the name, surely.

Maybe I misinterpreted what you were trying to say as it read a tad sanctimonious to me.

 

[shelfboy68]

Maybe I misinterpreted what you were trying to say as it read a tad sanctimonious to me.

Can sanctimonious play up front for us.

 

[fortworthspur]

The problem is that Jose will want a lot of money in the summer for a rebuild and in all likelihood we’ll lose the CL revenue and we don’t really have too many assets to sell that will generate big funds. I don’t really see it happening next summer.

this years purchases will be funded in part by this years champions league. plus there will be outgoings. anyway, unless we build another stadium I dont think we will ever go through three windows without an acquisition again.

 

[Ionman34]

Just think how bad SC would be if we were in the same position as say West Ham.

I'm guessing there's be a whole lot of high fiving I told you so's from a "certain element."