Jose Mourinho

[0-Tibsy-0]

Massive pile of .

Having injuries is one thing, a thing that every team contends with, but not having an identity, structure or proactive approach to the game is another.

 

[gerishep]

I couldn't care tbh, but you like giving them out, then cry about it when you get one back.. it's weird.
I'm gonna put u on ignore mate as your posts are just turdish.

You are so offensive, are you like this in real life. Your also childish.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I hope he continues to circle the wagons, those who want to play for him will bed in and knuckle down, those who don't can go. The squad need to figure out what it is they want as a footballers, winning things is normally something they all aspire too. We'll see.

 

[Conando]

I am not trying to attack or defend Jose but we look utterly incapable of playing out from the back against a high press and for me this is nothing new; it was issue when Poch was in charge as well.

We have midfielders in the side now who are perfectly capable of receiving the ball under pressure yet the defenders seem continually in trouble with the ball at their feet in regards to passing options. We seem to just move it to the flank and then hump it up the line or get caught in possession.

I may be wrong, but I doubt this is a tactical decision, do we just need the centre backs to take more risks in getting the ball through the lines? Generally if we get through the press or during transition we look like we can hurt teams.

Thoughts?

 

[Colonel Dax]

I’m genuinely baffled reading all the comments dissecting our play under Jose

We were delivering relegation form under Poch for 12 months

this is a busted squad!

Agreed. It seems some fans are in denial - thinking we’re still the same team that challenged for the title 3 years ago. We have been declining massively since then.

- Sold Walker and didn't adequately replace him
- Took too long to replace Dembele
- Didn't replace Wanyama despite knowing he's been crocked for 2 and a half years
- Didn't buy a rotation striker despite Kane getting injured each season for the past 2/3 years.

We are not the same Tottenham. We're a shadow of our former selves - under-investment and injuries have finally caught up with us.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Up until this week with someone he trusted to play in and around up to we were getting results - i'm a stuck record but - he lost him last Sunday and here we are a week later and we're two losses in and everyone shouting about him again.

The correlation between these two things is key but people just want to stick a boot in and gargle Pochs balls at the same time.

@hakano how can you disagree with this when it's exactly what has happened.

 

[sparx100]

In the spurs TV post game interview Jose says not having a target man stops us from playing long balls when the opposition high press, and stops us from scoring when they low block and swarm the box ultimately meaning we are in an impossible tactical situation. This for me is the issue. If you take Liverpool, which are unfortunately the current pinnacle of attacking football, they have been playing without a recognised striker for seasons and don't struggle. Firmino coming into the club as an AM and isn't a tall player. My issue with Jose has always been how ridged his tactics are, it can't all revolve around 1 player to target. At this point I understand why Jose is struggling because that is the one style he knows. But in this day and age teams need to be more dynamic.

Again, I'm not writing him off and he obviously needs to be given next season. And any team would struggle loosing two of their best players.But I do worry about his tactical rigidity in the modern game.

I fear you are right. Our team is technical in nature in midfield but our defence bypasses them and go long to our front 2 who are second to any ball and easily knocked/pressed off the ball. So we just give possession to the other team constantly. We are not playing to our own strengths.

A target man is not the answer to our prayers, for me it is having someone who knows how to play up top. None of our players have that skillset not even Son. Kane is the only option and the only other option we know of is Parrott yet Mourinho won't even put him on the bench.

 

[Graysonti]

Agreed. It seems some fans are in denial - thinking we’re still the same team that challenged for the title 3 years ago. We have been declining massively since then.

- Sold Walker and didn't adequately replace him
- Took too long to replace Dembele
- Didn't replace Wanyama despite knowing he's been crocked for 2 and a half years
- Didn't buy a rotation striker despite Kane getting injured each season for the past 2/3 years.

We are not the same Tottenham. We're a shadow of our former selves - under-investment and injuries have finally caught up with us.

since then we have bought - Moura, Sanchez, Ndombel, Le Celso, Sess, Bergveigh and Fernandez - we have spent £££

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Mourinho’s tactics are out of date. His football is stale. We sacked a manager who got us to a Champions League final for this style of football. Jose out. Enic out. Levy out. That is what is best for Spurs.

To be honest I’m mostly a positive person and try to be positive about Spurs and lets judge Jose next year with players back and hopefully new signings BUT it is also all quite depressing how we’ve gone from 3 seasons ago being:
-Being the most high energy attractive side in the league
-Being part of two title races
-Having players fans and mangers more aligned and positive than ever before and such a brilliant positive atmosphere in the stands games after game with songs for some many of our players
-Arguably the best 2 full backs in the league at the time with pace and power no one could handle rose and walker, they were our Trent and Robertson (We now have the error prone aurier and the slow average Ben Davies as our starting full backs)
-Belgian duo at CB, easily the best 2 CB’s in the league (this Area isn’t too much weaker to be fair as Sanchez has been a good signing)
-Dembele & Wanyama absolute beast players who dominated teams game after game, (we now have a very average but likeable Harry winks, ndombele who can’t play 90mins or a very unfit heavy and out of form Eric Dier)
-Our style of play was physical, fast, high energy, we are now lightweight, passive, slow, defensive and just boring to watch.
-The squad is really a mess and that is 100% on ENIC and I was optimistic about Jose and yes he has big issues with Kane and Son but the football he is serving up dropping so deep from minute 1 at home is not spurs, it’s not daring to do and it’s boring, I hope he gets backed and wins us something and improves the style of football but let’s see, if not it’s yet another poor on field decision by Levy, 1 step forwards then 3 back, rinse and repeat on the pitch for 30 years.

Take Leicester as an example having appointed a young progressive coach, how they play and how well they’re doing and who they’ve signed in recent years.

Still holding out hope of Jose turning the style round a bit next season but let’s see.

 

[Colonel Dax]

since then we have bought - Moura, Sanchez, Ndombel, Le Celso, Sess, Bergveigh and Fernandez - we have spent £££

Yes I mentioned in an earlier post that we made some good signings last summer, but it was the 18 months where we didn't sign anybody that really affected our development. We allowed the squad to stagnate during a crucial period and our existing squad became stale and complacent. We spent money last summer but it was long overdue - we need a squad overhaul and it's going to take longer than one window unfortunately.

 

[Japhet]

We simply don't seem to have the energy to compete with most teams. If you watch Liverpool they mark aggressively - they even make it bloody difficult for their opponents to take a throw in to one of their own, and they keep going 90 minutes plus, week after week. By comparison, we look slow and lethargic and passive as if we want the opposition to come at us. This is a Mourinho trade mark but I fucking hate it. Today, I was so pleased to see our midfield 3 starting but that was cancelled out by the back 5. As a result, our creative and skillful midfield had fuck all in front of them to pass to and Chelsea repeatedly picked off everything we tried. That's twice now that our 'tactical genius' manager has had his pants pulled down by an inexperienced new kid in town. Unfortunately, he has a hatful of excuses he can wheel out repeatedly, which he is fully utilizing, but losing personnel doesn't explain the lethargic performances week after week. I'd like to know the percentage of second balls we're winning at the moment because it sure doesn't look like many.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

No, he’s made you believe that that this is the best that can be done with a depleted squad. We’ve got three injuries. Alright, two of them are our biggest goal scorers, but we have a lot of fit players.

He’s got the fan base convinced the only way to approach matches is sitting there deep as hell, passively waiting to be fucked by any team we play. It’s bullshit. You haven’t got goal scorers? OK, be proactive and manufacture turnovers. Control midfield. There are lots of ways we could play.

Exactly with no strikers but loads of ball playing midfielders we could flood the midfield and dominate possession but he’s asking us to do the exact fucking opposite

 

[shelfboy68]

Yes I mentioned in an earlier post that we made some good signings last summer, but it was the 18 months where we didn't sign anybody that really affected our development. We allowed the squad to stagnate during a crucial period and our existing squad became stale and complacent. We spent money last summer but it was long overdue - we need a squad overhaul and it's going to take longer than one window unfortunately.

But but we didn't want to do a Leeds or Portsmouth

 

[spud]

This from '16 conclusions' about the Chelsea game on Football365. It's hard to disagree with.

"Mourinho’s away record against the Big Six since January 2015 now reads: P19 W2 D6 L11 F16 A34. That is utterly dreadful, no matter the circumstances.

There is no denying that the absences of Kane and Heung-min Son make his job harder. The loss of one is damaging but the lack of both is entirely transformative. Tottenham simply cannot play the same way.

But Christ, this is one of the three highest-paid managers in world football. It should be a source of embarrassment to Mourinho that he cannot establish a coherent plan with the talent he has at his disposal. Kane and Son are brilliant but Bergwijn, Lucas, Lo Celso and Ndombele are hardly without merit. They have excelled elsewhere but are being completely stymied by a style that suits no-one.

It harms a midfield that has no-one to pass to. It puts undue pressure on a defence with component parts that are already on a downward spiral. It asks the forwards to create something out of less than nothing. It relies so heavily upon fortune and the opposition not turning up that when they do it is exposed.

When so many managers accept and embrace the challenge of trying something new, of adapting in difficult conditions and devising different ideas, Mourinho complains. He has been handcuffed but there is an assortment of keys in front of him. Sometimes it feels like he’d rather swallow them all than check which, if any, might actually work."

 

[Deleted member 27995]

This from '16 conclusions' about the Chelsea game on Football365. It's hard to disagree with.

"Mourinho’s away record against the Big Six since January 2015 now reads: P19 W2 D6 L11 F16 A34. That is utterly dreadful, no matter the circumstances.

There is no denying that the absences of Kane and Heung-min Son make his job harder. The loss of one is damaging but the lack of both is entirely transformative. Tottenham simply cannot play the same way.

But Christ, this is one of the three highest-paid managers in world football. It should be a source of embarrassment to Mourinho that he cannot establish a coherent plan with the talent he has at his disposal. Kane and Son are brilliant but Bergwijn, Lucas, Lo Celso and Ndombele are hardly without merit. They have excelled elsewhere but are being completely stymied by a style that suits no-one.

It harms a midfield that has no-one to pass to. It puts undue pressure on a defence with component parts that are already on a downward spiral. It asks the forwards to create something out of less than nothing. It relies so heavily upon fortune and the opposition not turning up that when they do it is exposed.

When so many managers accept and embrace the challenge of trying something new, of adapting in difficult conditions and devising different ideas, Mourinho complains. He has been handcuffed but there is an assortment of keys in front of him. Sometimes it feels like he’d rather swallow them all than check which, if any, might actually work."

It's easy to disagree with. Congrats on clicking on their link and then posting it on here.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

In the spurs TV post game interview Jose says not having a target man stops us from playing long balls when the opposition high press, and stops us from scoring when they low block and swarm the box ultimately meaning we are in an impossible tactical situation. This for me is the issue. If you take Liverpool, which are unfortunately the current pinnacle of attacking football, they have been playing without a recognised striker for seasons and don't struggle. Firmino coming into the club as an AM and isn't a tall player. My issue with Jose has always been how ridged his tactics are, it can't all revolve around 1 player to target. At this point I understand why Jose is struggling because that is the one style he knows. But in this day and age teams need to be more dynamic.

Again, I'm not writing him off and he obviously needs to be given next season. And any team would struggle loosing two of their best players.But I do worry about his tactical rigidity in the modern game.

100% spot on and these kind of comments really worry me, he seems to need exact specific types of players to play his style, sure Klopp and pep got backed really well in the right type of players BUT as you say Liverpool play with a false 9 and 3 strikers all under 6 ft so they seem to be fine, we could play the same system with Lucas and berweign RW&LW and dele False 9 but Jose doesn’t know how to play this type of football as his football skipps out the middle section of the pitch so we are screwed.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

100% spot on and these kind of comments really worry me, he seems to need exact specific types of players to play his style, sure Klopp and pep got backed really well in the right type of players BUT as you say Liverpool play with a false 9 and 3 strikers all under 6 ft so they seem to be fine, we could play the same system with Lucas and berweign RW&LW and dele False 9 but Jose doesn’t know how to play this type of football as his football skipps out the middle section of the pitch so we are screwed.

The person you quoted is using a team that have now been drilled under the same guidance of the same manager for how many seasons? How long has it taken them to get to where they are now winning both well and ugly to run a league - this is about as close to run away as anyone has seen in this era bar the year City hit 100 points - not sure I could worry that Jose isn't getting a song from a new signing and a player that blows hot and cold without either of his two talismen.

This is all rather 20/20 considering where we find ourselves and where Liverpool find themselves. Don't all managers require their own 'type' of players to makes their systems work?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

But the thing is going on 15 years of watching Mourinho teams, this squad will need a complete overhaul. He has two modes, the all out defence we have seen this week, and the other is the medium-low block followed by squeezing and then rapid counter attacks. That approach still soaks up pressure.

Southampton away is personally I think exactly how Mourinho wants us to play most weeks against 'weaker' teams and what the norm will be in the long term. Lure them out and then break on them. That game we should have been leading but even then we leaked plenty of chances and second half got battered.

What worries me for a lot of fans is I've seen a load of comments like "oh if Southampton or whatever game is the norm going forward then of course that's a problem" still thinking we're going to get some more proactive, dominating approach after a summer to spruce up the team. Well I think they are going to be disappointed, fairly certain that wont happen. He ain't going to change what he's done for 15 years.

But to play that way requires a largely defensive minded and solid platform to play on throughout the defence and midfield that is capable of absorbing pressure. So it will take a huge overhaul because I'd say at least 75% of the team just isn't wired to play that way. He'd need 8-10 players fairly sharpish, minimum.

Yep I’ve started to realise exactly this as well and it’s worrying then the next manager who comes in to play agressive modern high pressing possession football will need another 7-8 change in players rinse and repeat.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I'm no fan if Winks I mean he is a nice guy but that's no criterion,I agree he is mediocre generally.
But I too get hammered with that. NDombele I'm a fan because we need players with class but we can't have handle gently players with glass.Its premier league football just talent was ok in the 60's but now its not enough unless you can create more goals than you let in but thatsca dream.It takes courage. You better be ready
Look at Lo Celso ok a couple if bad tackles but how courageous is he. He us a little guy. NDombele should be embarrassed. As I said I'm a fan and I'm embarrassed for him

Spot on, ndombele goes down anytime anyone breathes on him. Did we not realise this when he was as Lyon as if so then we shouldn’t have signed him as he won’t be suited to the prem at all.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Maybe. But, could and would another manager like e.g. Klopp done things very differently right now?

Given that Klopp got a crap Liverpool team playing a high pressing game against us in his first game at Liverpool so was setting his mark from day 1, I’d say yes someone like h8m would be doing things differently,