Jose Mourinho

[Betha]

agreed, Klopps 4th game he got beat at home to c palace, good job they didnt bin him after that

Except Klopp came in with a reputation of playing exciting attacking football, based on structured attacks and gegenpressing. A style of football that needs time to be implemented. Mourinho didn't really have that reputation when he came to us.

Though as I said, being fired after that game was an exaggeration. I was simply trying to underscore how how horrible that game was to watch, and how badly we were set up.

 

[Colonel Dax]

No claim of a masterclass. They completely out thought us, worked harder, had a clear style and system, passed better, were quicker and more adventurous. Every pundit/expert in the land sees it and most on here except for a few who clearly can't read the game.

Having a coach in place since the start of the season together with a settled team and a fit and functioning forward line sure does help with having a "clear style and system". Compare that with us - coach coming in halfway through the season trying to pick up a de-motivated, stale squad and our two main goal-scorers injured, no recognisable or capable defensive midfielder, mediocre full backs and our main CM signing from the summer unable to last longer than 30 minutes.

 

[THOWIG]

Having a coach in place since the start of the season together with a settled team and a fit and functioning forward line sure does help with having a "clear style and system". Compare that with us - coach coming in halfway through the season trying to pick up a de-motivated, stale squad and our two main goal-scorers injured, no recognisable or capable defensive midfielder, mediocre full backs and our main CM signing from the summer unable to last longer than 30 minutes.

I hope you're right, but I reiterate Leicester last season after Rodgers came in showed what a good coach can do.

 

[matthew.absurdum]

That was an exaggeration, I'll admit to that. Still, the way he set up the team that night, and how we completely got overrun by a very mediocre Man.Utd side, did not make wonders for my belief in him.

Tbh Man utd always looks good this season against all Top6 team + Leicester (The only team to let Liverpool losing points in PL). They maybe mediocre but Ole knows how to play against better teams.

 

[dudu]

Except Klopp came in with a reputation of playing exciting attacking football, based on structured attacks and gegenpressing. A style of football that needs time to be implemented. Mourinho didn't really have that reputation when he came to us.

Though as I said, being fired after that game was an exaggeration. I was simply trying to underscore how how horrible that game was to watch, and how badly we were set up.

Mourinho doesn't have a reputation of being meticulous and needing time, even a pre-season to implement his style?

Revealed: The ruthless, relentless methods Jose Mourinho and his 'Bible' will impose at Manchester United

'In the boat or off it'

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[knowlespurs]

Except Klopp came in with a reputation of playing exciting attacking football, based on structured attacks and gegenpressing. A style of football that needs time to be implemented. Mourinho didn't really have that reputation when he came to us.

Though as I said, being fired after that game was an exaggeration. I was simply trying to underscore how how horrible that game was to watch, and how badly we were set up.

fair point but Jose comes with the reputation of winning trophies, he plays a different way to Poch so it was always likely that the players Poch had arent going to fit a system Jose wants. The point of Klopps 4th game is a home loss to palace (and klopps liverpool was pretty shit for a fair time after he arrived) is that it isnt going to be a short process

 

[Colonel Dax]

I hope you're right, but I reiterate Leicester last season after Rodgers came in showed what a good coach can do.

But Leicester hadn't neglected their squad for 18 months like we did and nor did they have the amount of key injuries that we currently have. Anyway, in his ten matches last season, Rodgers' record was 5 wins 2 draws, 3 defeats. Not much different from Jose's stats so far with us.

 

[knowlespurs]

I hope you're right, but I reiterate Leicester last season after Rodgers came in showed what a good coach can do.

totally different situation though imo, Rodgers took over players who didnt like Puel and they were playing dross, Leicester arent exactly playing great at the moment and jose has more points than brent since he took over i think

 

[Betha]

Mourinho doesn't have a reputation of being meticulous and needing time, even a pre-season to implement his style?

Revealed: The ruthless, relentless methods Jose Mourinho and his 'Bible' will impose at Manchester United

'In the boat or off it'

www.telegraph.co.uk

Not really, no. He came in with a reputation of playing defensive football, with individual brilliance as his main form for attack. Still, noone expected us to be brilliant at this time, it's more that we looked utter shite and unprepared, both in his game 4 and in hos game 16. And, most worryingly, we look unstructured and unorganized defensively. That's the easier thing to fix.

 

[Timberwolf]

As much as I don't like our current style of play, I think we need to wait until the summer and hope things improve. We have a talented but hugely imbalanced squad in need of massive repair in key areas and with crippling injuries. I don't see the point in completely writing off Jose now as there's no way he's leaving anytime soon. We've just got to hope that with a proper DM, a decent RB, fit strikers and a full preseason, he can actually make this system work as he desires.

However, the way some people on here seem wilfully blind to our recent shortcomings is pretty shocking. Even with our injuries and dodgy squad we shouldn't be cowed into submission for long periods of the match against pretty much every team we play both home and away. Supposedly worse managers have done more with far less in shorter periods of time, and this idea that this low block, long ball football is the best we could possibly hope for is patently bollocks. Yes Jose is a winner and yes we have picked up points, but if you honestly think we've been the better team in our last few games and 100% deserve each win then you're clearly blinkered.

In short: I think we need to give him time, be patient and hope for the best because we don't have much alternative right now. But there's also no shame in acknowledging that our football has been shocking at times and this squad is capable of a lot more, regardless of the results.

 

[dudu]

I hope you're right, but I reiterate Leicester last season after Rodgers came in showed what a good coach can do.

Were their results that incredible? I wasn't watching their football at the time.... Were they all that at the end of last season

P10 W5 D2 L3 - (all comps, which was 1 they only had a game a week at this stage of the season

Mourinho first 10 (all comps)
P10 W6 D1 L3

 

[shelfboy68]

Not really, no. He came in with a reputation of playing defensive football, with individual brilliance as his main form for attack. Still, noone expected us to be brilliant at this time, it's more that we looked utter shite and unprepared, both in his game 4 and in hos game 16. And, most worryingly, we look unstructured and unorganized defensively. That's the easier thing to fix.

But he is struggling to fix it injuries to strikers is one thing but the poor defending can't be defended a bit like the team.

 

[Japhet]

Having a coach in place since the start of the season together with a settled team and a fit and functioning forward line sure does help with having a "clear style and system". Compare that with us - coach coming in halfway through the season trying to pick up a de-motivated, stale squad and our two main goal-scorers injured, no recognisable or capable defensive midfielder, mediocre full backs and our main CM signing from the summer unable to last longer than 30 minutes.

To be fair, Mourinho has been without our 2 main strikers for 1 match. Poch managed without Kane for months and had us scoring to a point where we barely missed him. I'm not criticising Mourinho but he's certainly over egging the negative side of things at every available opportunity and was doing it before Son got injured.

 

[shelfboy68]

Having a coach in place since the start of the season together with a settled team and a fit and functioning forward line sure does help with having a "clear style and system". Compare that with us - coach coming in halfway through the season trying to pick up a de-motivated, stale squad and our two main goal-scorers injured, no recognisable or capable defensive midfielder, mediocre full backs and our main CM signing from the summer unable to last longer than 30 minutes.

That sounds like a script for a new comedy which is not far off it.

 

[PLTuck]

Under Poch : All the nice footy in the world doesn't replace trophies. We need to win and don't care how.

Under Jose: We might be picking up results but this football is shocking. I want to see good progressive play. Just getting results isn't enough.

SC in a nutshell.

 

[Ionman34]

Why would there be any expectation of attacking football under Jose? It's not something you see on his CV.

He's here for 3 seasons to stabilize while the squad is rebuilt.

You're reading someone else's CV mate, or you've lost the early pages and only have the Utd bit.

Check out what his Porto, Chelsea, Real and Inter teams did. You don't accumulate record quantities of goals by playing defensively.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Under Poch : All the nice footy in the world doesn't replace trophies. We need to win and don't care how.

Under Jose: We might be picking up results but this football is shocking. I want to see good progressive play. Just getting results isn't enough.

SC in a nutshell.

It's humans in a nutshell really. The grumpy fuckers are always the loudest. When you are happy you are generally quiet.

 

[Colonel Dax]

To be fair, Mourinho has been without our 2 main strikers for 1 match. Poch managed without Kane for months and had us scoring to a point where we barely missed him. I'm not criticising Mourinho but he's certainly over egging the negative side of things at every available opportunity and was doing it before Son got injured.

True we did ok when Kane was out last season, but remember we also had Llorente who whilst not the most mobile or prolific of strikers still contributed and allowed Poch to rotate a bit more in and between matches. Also let's not pretend that we were playing scintillating football under Poch last season (and I loved Poch). 2nd half of the season we were at times painful to watch and were really scraping through some games (league and CL alike).

 

[THOWIG]

But Leicester hadn't neglected their squad for 18 months like we did and nor did they have the amount of key injuries that we currently have. Anyway, in his ten matches last season, Rodgers' record was 5 wins 2 draws, 3 defeats. Not much different from Jose's stats so far with us.

Was referring to their style of play which changed dramatically.

 

[JCRD]

Yeah, fair points. I think Poch always talked about “bravery” etc. Which sounds inspiring, but often has merged into “naivety”.

You could say we are being far too passive and just accepting we’re second best. At times during the match I will admit it feels like a lower league team against a top side.

However, I just refuse to judge Jose so soon after coming into a complete shit show mid season, with a squad that’s been allowed to steadily decline for 2 years and is also full of crocks. And whose first transfer window saw us doing the usual Tottenham style of leaving a gaping chasm in the squad that threatens to undermine the whole damn show.

We are paying the price for putting the stadium above the team I’m afraid. If and when we start shifting our priorities back on to the football team then, and only then will I start casting a proper judgement on how we are performing.

I think it is fair to judge Jose on the team style (dont forget we had these kind of performances even with Kane and Son - remember Southampton away?) but im not going to chastise him and certainly dont want him out. He has definitely steadied the ship and has changed things up even if we have been relatively fortuitous.

We are in a rebuild and that will hopefully be sorted in the summer - but we have said that before havent we arghhhh