Jose Mourinho

[chelmyid]

Its an opinion mate and this is a forum ☺

It’s a shit one

 

[JayB]

The thing with making any judgments without him having a summer transfer window and pre-season are quite frankly ludicrous.

As much as i loved what Poch did for us, we have been left with a really unbalanced squad and we have new signings that are taking a while to bed in, which is usually case. We have some key players nearing the end of contracts, on top of that a team that for all the plaudits they received during Poch reign, have zero silverware to show for it.

He has come into a real cluster fuck of a team and with a set of fans who have just seen us reach the Champions league final, just moved into one of the worlds most beautiful stadium and actually spent money which could have been used in other areas. It's lose lose currently with our expectations probably at the highest they have ever been, matched with a team that's a bit exhausted and likely fed up of being the nearly men. That's a huge expectation for Jose to come in and make it all great.

What he has done so far, it's better than i expected. I pretty confident he will steady the ship this year and push on once he has 6 months at the helm.

Patience is key right now, he isn't one of the most successful managers the world has seen for zero reason. I think his reputation has earned him 6 months before the daggers come out.

Fantastic post. Jose has been far too short of options in CM to be reaching any conclusions so early in his tenure about how he’d prefer to set up.

Since he’s arrived at the club Ndombele has been sidelined with his groin injury (sustained in Poch’s final match), Winks has had an injury spell, Lo Celso is clearly some ways away from being settled and integrated, Eriksen’s heart is not in it, Wanyama is finished, and Skipp is just a young lad being brought through gradually. With few exceptions he’s not had much choice but to play Dier and Sissoko in CM, with the predictable result of us being completely unable to play through the middle of the park.

Many have voiced concern over his selections, understandably given his reputation, but he’s not had the players at his disposal to do much else. If Ndombele and GLC get fit and integrated and we’re still playing hoofball it will be cause for concern, but it’s far too early to reach any sweeping conclusions.

 

[LeParisien]

I don't have an opinion because it's far too early to judge anything at the moment.

That’s fair. Here’s my view on the matter: https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/in...ch-jose-mourinho.140580/page-210#post-6643805

Clearly it’s too early to make any sort of strong judgement. Nonetheless the fact early evidence seems to confirm legitimate concerns about Mourinho, is not the same as people having an agenda/ knives being sharpened etc.

 

[marion52]

It is allowed not to like the man but still to hope he does well for Spurs?
This is where I am, I just want to see Spurs win. It’s better if we do so in style but winning is always better than losing however it is achieved.
The one good thing is he won’t be here long term, he never stays anywhere very long

 

[Vincent30]

Fantastic post. Jose has been far too short of options in CM to be reaching any conclusions so early in his tenure about how he’d prefer to set up.

Since he’s arrived at the club Ndombele has been sidelined with his groin injury (sustained in Poch’s final match), Winks has had an injury spell, Lo Celso is clearly some ways away from being settled and integrated, Eriksen’s heart is not in it, Wanyama is finished, and Skipp is just a young lad being brought through gradually. With few exceptions he’s not had much choice but to play Dier and Sissoko in CM, with the predictable result of us being completely unable to play through the middle of the park.

Many have voiced concern over his selections, understandably given his reputation, but he’s not had the players at his disposal to do much else. If Ndombele and GLC get fit and integrated and we’re still playing hoofball it will be cause for concern, but it’s far too early to reach any sweeping conclusions.

I just said in the Ndombele post that if you think about it who does Jose really buy into out of our current players. I'd say 4 - Kane, Son, Dele and Toby. To judge him on a team where he currently probably really rates 4 players from a disjointed squad is way too early.

Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sess all have time to join these 4. But i think he needs at least 3 players that he really wants to start shaping this team and then giving us something to judge him on.

 

[jezz]

It’s a shit one

You don't agree then.

 

[Gb160]

Clearly it’s too early to make any sort of strong judgement. Nonetheless the fact early evidence seems to confirm legitimate concerns about Mourinho, is not the same as people having an agenda/ knives being sharpened etc.

He was always going to be a marmite appointment.
What's surprising is that some seem to expect instant beautiful football, instant results against the better teams in the league, and instant integration of summer signings...because Mourinho hasn't delivered that, and I don't believe many managers in world football could considering our squad, they're kicking off already.

You get the feeling that there's a fair portion of our fanbase actually want the Jose experiment to fail, just so they can play the 'I told you so' card to strangers on the internet.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

He’s won 5 in 8 if I’m not mistaken and we’ve gone from 14th to 6th and we lost 3-0 to Brighton in the reverse fixture so what exactly isn’t promising?

Mourinho said from the off, that taking over midway through a season with games coming so thick and fast would make it difficult to implement the changes he wanted to. But if he can add some level of consistency in the interim, which so far seems to be the case, then I’ll take that over style for now. I believe that he is building a foundation of confidence, what it takes to grind out a win.
Once Mourinho has had chance to make some changes to setup and in personnel to suit what he wants to achieve, then I’ll think it’s more realistic to judge him.

 

[LeParisien]

He was always going to be a marmite appointment.
What's surprising is that some seem to expect instant beautiful football, instant results against the better teams in the league, and instant integration of summer signings...because Mourinho hasn't delivered that, and I don't believe many managers in world football could considering our squad, they're kicking off already.

You get the feeling that there's a fair portion of our fanbase actually want the Jose experiment to fail, just so they can play the 'I told you so' card to strangers on the internet.

Perhaps there are some people like that. But there are also many, like me, who didn’t want Mourinho but will give him time and back him. He can’t work miracles and he’s done about as well as we could have possibly hoped from anyone.

That being said, I could still be saying “told you so” in 18 months. But I hope not !!

 

[Gb160]

Perhaps there are some people like that. But there are also many, like me, who didn’t want Mourinho but will give him time and back him. He can’t work miracles and he’s done about as well as we could have possibly hoped from anyone.

That being said, I could still be saying “told you so” in 18 months. But I hope not !!

That's fair enough mate, as long as you agree to get a Jose tat on your chest if he's successful!

 

[LeParisien]

That's fair enough mate, as long as you agree to get a Jose tat on your chest if he's successful!

I’m wrong about everything so I would love to be disproved. A cup win, improvement of playing style and giving young/ exciting players a chance (Foyth, Sessegnon, Lo Celso, Ndombele). If he has a good go at those things then I’ll love him.

My first team was Inter Milan and I adored him at Inter. That CL winning team is up there with the French WC winning squads. I would love it if he got the pre-RM performance + love from the squad.

 

[Shadydan]

Correct but I've debated those opinions and my reasons why I think Lamela is an asset.
I'm debating why I don't like Mourhinos tactics and which is hardly an agenda.

Cool, so the post wasn't aimed at you in that case.

 

[jay2040]

It's the same bunch of players that let us down under Poch and we were in decline. Jose has got us up there fighting for top 4 and has had no new players.

Toby has signed again,Dele is back and the love and respect he has shown Kane is great to see. Also the press conference's are worth watching now!

Love Poch however I can see Jose is a class above him and glad we got him rather than our rivals.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

It's the same bunch of players that let us down under Poch and we were in decline. Jose has got us up there fighting for top 4 and has had no new players.

Toby has signed again,Dele is back and the love and respect he has shown Kane is great to see. Also the press conference's are worth watching now!

Love Poch however I can see Jose is a class above him and glad we got him rather than our rivals.

Yes to all of this.

 

[Shadydan]

That’s fair. Here’s my view on the matter: https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/in...ch-jose-mourinho.140580/page-210#post-6643805

Clearly it’s too early to make any sort of strong judgement. Nonetheless the fact early evidence seems to confirm legitimate concerns about Mourinho, is not the same as people having an agenda/ knives being sharpened etc.

It's fine to have concerns at this stage, personally I'm not going by early evidence because it's unfair and unrealistic at this stage, I didn't judge Poch in 5 weeks and I'm not gonna judge Jose.

 

[spursfan77]

It's the same bunch of players that let us down under Poch and we were in decline. Jose has got us up there fighting for top 4 and has had no new players.

Exactly, we saw that today with today with that first half performance, we looked like we did under Poch.

Toby has signed again,Dele is back and the love and respect he has shown Kane is great to see. Also the press conference's are worth watching now!

Definitely, we can understand what he says and there’s more honesty than under Poch. Eg. Ndombele today. There’s no way Poch would of come out and said the player refused to be considered to play.

Love Poch however I can see Jose is a class above him and glad we got him rather than our rivals.

Agree. Just look at the subs today. Poch would never of made the correct subs. His in game management wasn’t a patch on Mourinho’s and that’s partly why we appointed him

 

[chelmyid]

You don't agree then.

Afraid not!

 

[jezz]

Afraid not!

Great analysis

 

[chelmyid]

Great analysis

Ok - simply put

same team, same players, similar levels of teams played with better results. That is all fact

It is far far to soon to judge on anything other facts and any comments made now around performance, perception etc is all subjective to an individual and whether you claim it to be or not your argument will always suit your opinion - so it is an agenda. To then add comments like won’t be here long etc is ridiculous comments based on nothing but personal agenda and certainly doesn’t help our club at this point.

 

[jezz]

Ok - simply put

same team, same players, similar levels of teams played with better results. That is all fact

It is far far to soon to judge on anything other facts and any comments made now around performance, perception etc is all subjective to an individual and whether you claim it to be or not your argument will always suit your opinion - so it is an agenda. To then add comments like won’t be here long etc is ridiculous comments based on nothing but personal agenda and certainly doesn’t help our club at this point.

I'm judging on what I see on the pitch.
Which isn't encouraging.
Poch got booted for the same thing.
Mourhino came in and said he'd changed.
He's most definitely hasn't.
Already digging at players in press conferences and playing hoof football.
He's being tactically outsmarted by rookie managers.
If he turns it round I will be the first on here saying we'll done I was wrong.
We have a fantastic squad that needs a couple of upgrades but we also have some seriously good youngsters who deserve better.
Watching the tripe served up by a team that Mourhino keeps picking will see some of the better players leaving.
He was forced into changes today and it worked so congratulations are in order for that.
Let's see on Saturday if he can learn from today.