Goodbye VDV?

[ultimateloner]

VdV is our best player so unless we get good money i can't see us selling. Would make no sense.

 

[punkisback]

No way can we sell Rafa. He is extremely important to our possession game, everytime we took him off last season and went 4-4-2 we conceded possession in midfield.

 

[bugsdad]

Super player with as much vision or more then almost any other player in the league. Great finisher and works hi s socks off . Looked much better to me then Snyder in the Dutch teamm and it will need a super player to replace him.
As well as all that if he were to go I would miss the gorgeous Sylvie.
He must stay his experience alone is worth his weight in gold to the team ,filled with very young players and a young manager.

 

[Nocando]

I don't give that much of a fuck about Luka tbh, but if we sell VDV I will be gutted.

 

[Stavi]

He's class. He's so classy that he's a proper Spurs player. Plus, has any one seen his wife? We should keep him just for her. True, I can follow her on Twitter even if he plays for Hamburg but it wouldn't be the same.

 

[dontcallme]

Everything VDV has said has indicated that he wants to stay. He played in Ajax's 433 so can't see the formation being a problem for him. At his age he won't be commanding a huge fee so in no way can I see us selling him as beneficial.

We can discuss whether he's world class all we want, I guess it comes down to your definition of what world class is. All I know is he is arguably our best player so we shouldn't sell.

 

[SpurSince57]

I seem to remember VDV complaining about how complicated things were under Jose and how he enjoyed the freedom harry afforded him.
will the appointment of AVB lead VDV to consider his options? or did i misinterpret his feelings towards tactical preperation

He never played under Mourinho: it would have been heavy chalkboarding sessions under Schuster, Ramos or Pellegrini—or perhaps all three—he was criticising.

We've had a couple of ITKs (one of whom I've always been dubious about) saying that we would be open to large cash offers. This has been contradicted by others. We also had a complete bullshit article in Bild, which makes the Sun look like a thoroughly respectable organ.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

 

[hybridsoldier]

He never played under Mourinho: it would have been heavy chalkboarding sessions under Schuster, Ramos or Pellegrini—or perhaps all three—he was criticising.

No, but he had a full pre-season under him and has commented on his coaching style:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...r-technique-claims-van-der-vaart-6385742.html

 

[SpurSince57]

No, but he had a full pre-season under him and has commented on his coaching style:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...r-technique-claims-van-der-vaart-6385742.html

I stand corrected, of course. How could I have forgotten that he likened Harry's coaching style to Mourinho's?! For fairly obvious reasons, this suggests that VdV will not find AVB's style a problem. However, the complaints he made about tedious pre-match tactical sessions were certainly directed at Maureen's predecessors.

 

[kaz Hirai]

I'd really be Frakking pissed if we sold him, He and the Monkey God are my favourite players

 

[Boots]

How about Sigurdsson being cover for Van der Vaart as there is no other squad player natural to playing in the hole for the squad?

 

[onthetwo]

If it is goodbye it will be because AVB doesn't see a place for him. I don't believe all this talk that he wants to go back to Germany. He seems to love it here. I think he will be here for the coming season but after that who knows.

i agree and i can't see Luka and Rafa being allowed to leave in the same window - our whole attacking approach would have to change radically in too short a time.

 

[onthetwo]

Well I must be getting old, I never heard of jumping a shark!

Wasn't my original post, although tongue in cheek, clear that I didn't think building a team around a player was wrong?

I am not going to get into a tit for tat argument about his stamina, I don't rate it, like many on match day when he is knackeref.

I have honestly never seen VDV control a game, maybe because I remember Hoddle doing it properly.

Any player that scores a goal can win a game, bloody hell.

first CL game at the Lane, i think he got himself sent off against Twente (diving bastards that they were) but feck me he was everywhere.....it was like having Roy of the Rovers in the team, he was literally everywhere for 60 minutes. He runs himself into the ground too so i often think thats why he's done after 60 minutes.

 

[Misfit]

first CL game at the Lane, i think he got himself sent off against Twente (diving bastards that they were) but feck me he was everywhere.....it was like having Roy of the Rovers in the team, he was literally everywhere for 60 minutes. He runs himself into the ground too so i often think thats why he's done after 60 minutes.

Indeed. That's partly his entusiasm and partly down to having virtually no defined role in the team. Couple that with a hit and miss midfield, for a variety of reasons and it being a slight necessity at time, and there ya go - the stocky little bastard would run out of puff occasionally.

With an established system and defined roles I fully expect each individual player to have better and more consistent form and the team as a whole to become much less liable to peaks and troughs. It should help not only the fitness but the efficiency of the team.

Loosey goosey is great but it will ultimately lead you down a cul-de-sac. Especially when you come up against teams with the same level of talent or better and playing in a more cohesive group. The Galacticos, for all their insane, utterly repugnant/glorious collection of stupidly talented individuals came up short more often than not. I mean 3 titles and a European Cup is fucking great but actually about par for RM - non-Galactico RM. Would have been frightening to see those teams under Del Bosque for the rest of those yrs instead of 50 bujillion managers every other month. Still don't why they fired the guy. Anyways, I'm babbling.

Hope VDV stays.

 

[fatpiranha]

I'm kind of in the middle on this one.

VDV is a very good player and in many ways would suit AVB's plans for a passing game that retains possession. He'd also be good to have to bring on the younger players in the squad.

On the other hand I do think he has stamina and fitness issues. The question is not so much whether Harry was right to sub him so often (which he clearly didn't like) playing Harry's way but how he would cope with AVB's pressing game. Maybe his fitness will be better this season but I still see issues with his stamina in a high tempo pressing game such as AVB always tries to adopt. Last season when he did get fatigued he did on occasion look like a red card waiting to happen.

Then we have to look at it from Levy's point of view which will undoubtedly be that we can get good money for him now whereas he won't bring in a profit in a season or two. Also he'll be on very decent wages which might fund a couple of younger players.

I hope he stays but in my heart of hearts I think Levy will cash in because he doesn't really fit with what AVB is envisioning, and my head says his time at Spurs is probably up.

 

[EastLondonYid]

I'm kind of in the middle on this one.

VDV is a very good player and in many ways would suit AVB's plans for a passing game that retains possession. He'd also be good to have to bring on the younger players in the squad.

On the other hand I do think he has stamina and fitness issues. The question is not so much whether Harry was right to sub him so often (which he clearly didn't like) playing Harry's way but how he would cope with AVB's pressing game. Maybe his fitness will be better this season but I still see issues with his stamina in a high tempo pressing game such as AVB always tries to adopt. Last season when he did get fatigued he did on occasion look like a red card waiting to happen.

Then we have to look at it from Levy's point of view which will undoubtedly be that we can get good money for him now whereas he won't bring in a profit in a season or two. Also he'll be on very decent wages which might fund a couple of younger players.

I hope he stays but in my heart of hearts I think Levy will cash in because he doesn't really fit with what AVB is envisioning, and my head says his time at Spurs is probably up.

Spurs under AVB will be so different from under Harry, if not why sack Harry? AVB will have a plan, players will have a role, and there will be a purpose and shape in the way we attack and defend, unfortunately though i see VDV as a super player but not one that will be happy to play under those restrictions i fear, many times last season i pulled my hair out watching Rafa coming into areas where he shouldn't be, far too deep and almost trying to do everything which though looks like he is putting his heart into it is actually fucking up our shape and nulifying Parker/sandro or luka's job of starting our attacks off the back 4 at times.

I do love the guy and hope we keep him, but i could understand it if AVB didn't really include him in his plans.

If at 29 Rafa can change and adapt to the style and demands of a coach with a plan,unlike Harry, then i would love him to stay, but i agree with Fatpiranha, his days maybe numbered.

 

[onthetwo]

what if Luka stays and Rafa leaves? Im wondering if Luka might actually prefer to play under AVB than Arry, more tactical approach etc.....

 

[Misfit]

Rafa can play in a system and play with discipline. Unfortunately very few of ours players were encumbered with such trifling details last season. That was one of the problems in the end.

 

[stevenurse]

one of the best goalscoring midfielders in the league and a player that is always fighting to win. we will need some experienced heads within the squad so id hate to sell.

hopefully the new training ground will help with his previous injury concerns too, along with some careful consideration with his training

 

[Devon Yid]

If the price is right I won't be to upset at the departure of VDV, obvously the main problem is fitness for him.