Giovani joins Galatasaray

[mil1lion]

I guess its Danny Rose now for cover. Hopefully he can step up.

 

[Michey]

When has he ever shown this in competitive games against sides above Championship or League One standard?

same ol' SS57 :lol:

 

[SpurSince57]

Well, we had a shite manager, didn't we?

So the claim is based on fuck all, other than the fact that he played for Barça (and how well is a matter of opinion), looked good for Ipswich in the Championship, and impressed for Mexico against mostly crap opposition—all highly relevant to real life in the EPL, I'm sure.

 

[Michey]

Well, we had a shite manager, didn't we?

So the claim is based on fuck all, other than the fact that he played for Barça (and how well is a matter of opinion), looked good for Ipswich in the Championship, and impressed for Mexico against mostly crap opposition—all highly relevant to real life in the EPL, I'm sure.

same ol' SS57 :lol:

 

[Achap]

It's a pity that Harry apparently feels that he is not yet right for the Prem. He needs playing time to keep himself in contention for Mexico's World Cup squad, and hopefully he can get that at Galatasary. The experience and exposure he gains in Turkey, and maybe South Africa, could either bring him into Harry's plans or enhance his value for a future sale. I hope it's the former, but both are good.

 

[donny1013]

Yep, I would probably say that too, but then again he never really got a run in the team when we was playing well like Bentley for example. Ten minutes here and there was never going to be enough. But still unless we get someone else in, while Lennon is injured we still don't have anyone that is comfortable doing anything out on the right hand side.



I was actually the same, the summer we signed him I wasn't too impressed, like you I watch most Barca games and knew he would struggle to adapt here. But I did know that he had some talent, and when I saw that we only paid £4.7m for him I thought that maye it wasn't so bad after all.

I do think though that too many people on here judge him on the few performances at the beginning of the season when the whole team was shit. After that he has had minimal chances compared to some of the other players here.

Yeah I don't judge him on what he has done in a Spurs shirt as he hasn't actually had a chance to do anything, purely on what I saw at Barca and also what was reported about him. His time in England certainly hasn't been easy, was a Ramos signing, he was then sacked, new manager comes in, has a long injury lay off and has to adapt to life in a new country, all of that at 20 years old. Going back to Spain would be his best move.

 

[SpurSince57]

Played there for Barca, can cross, can dribble, passes, plays there for Mexico, scores, pacy, knows to hug the touchline but can come inside. As opposed to Modders, or Jenas there who ALWAYS drift in.

Next best there would be Hutton or Naughton.

Which is pretty much the same as saying, 'But Bentley looked really good at Blackburn' or 'Routledge was shit-hot at Palace. Straight up, guv, saw it with my own eyes.'

 

[spurs_viola]

Gala and Rijkaard want him, but still no official word about it - although it is probably too late to hope he can yet force Redknapp's hand to give him a chance. What is Levy's take on that, I would be really interested to know.

Funny how both of his ex-managers (Roy Keane and Frank Rijkaard) want him back - even though he is supposed to be this lazy trainer with a bad attitude?

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I remember when we signed him, Bentley and Modric Levy said they were all creative replacements for Berbatov and Keane leaving. Really do wonder what he thinks about this now.

 

[spurs_viola]

I don't think confidence would have been a problem, unless you meant he had no confidence in Harry giving him a fair go, then he would be right :wink:

he played great for Mexico and with his country in the WC he surely would have been on a high coming back, I don't think confidence was the problem

usually how it works is, when a player is out on loan he is recalled if someone gets injured and he can play that position, I guess we are backwards in that a player is injured ( Lennon ) and we loan out a player who could play there instead, makes no sense :roll:

Agree fully. But I have become accustomed to quite a few things not making much sense in the current set up. Like trying to artificially install a young player like Rose, with much less experience and not any more to offer than the other more experienced and more aware player, into the squad ahead of Gio - even though the boy Rose has not shown ANYTHING like what we have seen from Gio even in his brief appearances at Spurs.

But I'm sure Harry will say Rose's "work rate" was better than Gio's - as if this is the single most important criteria for an attacking midfielder. You can work and run as hard as a horse all day, but that alone will not create chances in attack unless you have technical and tactical awareness. Gio has that rare special talent. Rose has the potential, but nothing special from what we have seen so far either on loan or for England youth teams or at Spurs. But he runs a lot. And that's what seems to clinch it for Harry.

 

[kaz Hirai]

a bit annoyed with that. oh well i hope he does well.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Agree fully. But I have become accustomed to quite a few things not making much sense in the current set up. Like trying to artificially install a young player like Rose, with much less experience and not any more to offer than the other more experienced and more aware player, into the squad ahead of Gio - even though the boy Rose has not shown ANYTHING like what we have seen from Gio even in his brief appearances at Spurs.

But I'm sure Harry will say Rose's "work rate" was better than Gio's - as if this is the single most important criteria for an attacking midfielder. You can work and run as hard as a horse all day, but that alone will not create chances in attack unless you have technical and tactical awareness. Gio has that rare special talent. Rose has the potential, but nothing special from what we have seen so far either on loan or for England youth teams or at Spurs. But he runs a lot. And that's what seems to clinch it for Harry.

indeed, if gio showed nothing at all in his time here like say kevin prince then i'd be fine with it, but the kid showed glimpses of pure quality, even his last stint when he started a cup game (forget against who) he looked quite handy before coming off injured, i believe even redknapp said the same.

so can only assume its his attitude maybe, oh well modric and niko on the wings for the foreseeable future then...jesus wept

 

[danielneeds]

From what I have seen of his fitness over the last 18 months he's clearly got a dodgy ankle and will always struggle to play a run of games, some of the ITKs have reported that its a chronic condition. If we can get £8m for him in the summer then we will have done very well.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Agree fully. But I have become accustomed to quite a few things not making much sense in the current set up. Like trying to artificially install a young player like Rose, with much less experience and not any more to offer than the other more experienced and more aware player, into the squad ahead of Gio - even though the boy Rose has not shown ANYTHING like what we have seen from Gio even in his brief appearances at Spurs.

But I'm sure Harry will say Rose's "work rate" was better than Gio's - as if this is the single most important criteria for an attacking midfielder. You can work and run as hard as a horse all day, but that alone will not create chances in attack unless you have technical and tactical awareness. Gio has that rare special talent. Rose has the potential, but nothing special from what we have seen so far either on loan or for England youth teams or at Spurs. But he runs a lot. And that's what seems to clinch it for Harry.

Couldn't agree more with this, look at it another way, the guy is a star for Mexico playing in the Aztec stadium for WC qualifiers, still doesn't get a chance, goes on loan to Ipswich in the championship, does well, still doesn't get a chance, goes to the Gold Cup (2nd rate tourney I know) but gets the MVP award, still doesn't get a chance, plays in the CC against lower league opposition, does well, still doesn't get a chance, Modric gets injured, we buy Kranjcar and he still doesn't get a chance, Lennon gets injured, and he still doesn't get a chance. I mean seriously what's going on here??

I've watched Danny Rose play on a number of occasions, and he will never have the ability that Giovani has. Workrate and strength can always be worked on but natural ability cannot. What the hell would we do if we had a Ronaldo (brazilian one), Zidane, or a Ginola in their younger days when they were more unproven? Say they don't work hard enough and freeze them out of the squad I can imagine.

 

[ultimateloner]

Disappointed but i think its a mutually beneficial outcome.

HR is clearly a traditional man-manager, and who excels in managing/motivating mature/driven players. From what he says a player's personality is important, and Gio doesn't have the preferred personality/mentality. Therefore he is unlikely to excel with HR in charge, so offloading him is logically the best option.

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[danielneeds]

Couldn't agree more with this, look at it another way, the guy is a star for Mexico playing in the Aztec stadium for WC qualifiers, still doesn't get a chance, goes on loan to Ipswich in the championship, does well, still doesn't get a chance, goes to the Gold Cup (2nd rate tourney I know) but gets the MVP award, still doesn't get a chance, plays in the CC against lower league opposition, does well, still doesn't get a chance, Modric gets injured, we buy Kranjcar and he still doesn't get a chance, Lennon gets injured, and he still doesn't get a chance. I mean seriously what's going on here??

I've watched Danny Rose play on a number of occasions, and he will never have the ability that Giovani has. Workrate and strength can always be worked on but natural ability cannot. What the hell would we do if we had a Ronaldo (brazilian one), Zidane, or a Ginola in their younger days when they were more unproven? Say they don't work hard enough and freeze them out of the squad I can imagine.

As Harry has said numerous times, if they work hard to get in the team then they will get their chance. Harry has talked up Gio numerous times in press, talked to his parents, he was obviously not oblivious to his talents, ultimately though if the player who is out of the team doesn't show the desire to get in the side there is nothing he can do.

Rose has obviously worked his bollocks off to get in the side, maybe he will never play for Barca like Gio, but the point is what kind attitude do we want at our club, people desperate to get in the side, or those who are not bothered, and spend have the training sessions on the phone to their agent?

 

[DEFchenkOE]

As Harry has said numerous times, if they work hard to get in the team then they will get their chance. Harry has talked up Gio numerous times in press, talked to his parents, he was obviously not oblivious to his talents, ultimately though if the player who is out of the team doesn't show the desire to get in the side there is nothing he can do.

Rose has obviously worked his bollocks off to get in the side, maybe he will never play for Barca like Gio, but the point is what kind attitude do we want at our club, people desperate to get in the side, or those who are not bothered, and spend have the training sessions on the phone to their agent?

If this was the case then fair enough, but then for what reason was Giovani on the bench against Liverpool, of all teams at Anfield? Just doesn't make much sense.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

We are really going to regret this - in the short term when we continue to struggle with Modric and Kranjcar on the flanks everytime Lennon is out, and in the long term when he excels at the WC and ends up signing from Galatasaray for Man U/Chelsea/Man C for £30m in 18 months time.

He's 10 times the player Rose will ever be.

Very poor jugdement.

 

[Alfieconnman]

We are really going to regret this - in the short term when we continue to struggle with Modric and Kranjcar on the flanks everytime Lennon is out, and in the long term when he excels at the WC and ends up signing from Galatasaray for Man U/Chelsea/Man C for £30m in 18 months time.

He's 10 times the player Rose will ever be.

Very poor jugdement.

Sadly I think you are 100% correct on this one.

 

[danielneeds]

Sadly I think you are 100% correct on this one.

100% correct, you sure? I'll take wagers with anyone at any odds that he doesn't go for £30m to one of the top four in a year or two.