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Man City continue to look heavy handed and scummy: http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41208462
Jadon Sancho played for Dortmund U23 yesterday. Didn't wear his number 7 shirt though ( assume that's for first team games only? )
Looked like he got a assist
That's a U19 tournament so maybe they think he's too good to play at that level.I wonder why he didn't play in the European youth cup thingy against us yesterday
Jadon Sancho played for Dortmund U23 yesterday. Didn't wear his number 7 shirt though ( assume that's for first team games only? )
Looked like he got a assist
Not sure mate just see the video he put up on Instagram yesterdayWas that the game a few days ago where he got an assist on debut or did he also play yesterday and get another assist
Just realised that Brewster is yet another Londoner plying his trade on Merseyside now (Chelsea previously). Swear you could make a whole squad of exciting youth players raised in London but now playing for Everton/Liverpool.
Are they cast-offs though, or are they kids who realise that they have a much better chance of featuring for the senior side at other clubs and move willingly?Shows how great Chelsea's academy is that the cast offs become other PL clubs best players
Are they cast-offs though, or are they kids who realise that they have a much better chance of featuring for the senior side at other clubs and move willingly?
And is McEachran a younger brother of the Chelsea kid everyone thought was the next English superstar a few years back who never amounted to anything?
Who is responsible for England finally producing technical players that can compete with Germany, Spain, France etc?
Is it the F.A. or clubs like Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Spurs?
I think it's to easy just to blame money IG, it can definitely exacerbate the situation and a lack of it certainly forcibly induces other nations to integrate youth better, but it's still not the only factor. What's the excuse over the last decade for the clubs from 5th to 17th in the PL and all the clubs below PL level, who aren't uber clubs with unlimited resources ? Many of them have even worse track records for integrating young or home trained (3 years with the club) than some of the richer clubs, and certainly have a worse track record when it comes to their academy producing players that have careers.
I was away over weekend so went back through thread too see thoughts on game and this was a good question that was missed at the time. I brought in here as I think more appropriate.
I think like most things it isn't a straight forward answer and it is a combination of the clubs and the EPPP. The restructuring of ours and a few other academies happened before the EPPP came in in 2012, so I assume the clubs took the initiative. They invested a lot in their academies, and started to put in top quality coaching and got the best scouts in. The EPPP helped as it encouraged all of the best academy players to move to the top quality clubs to receive the best coaching; taking the best and making them better, so it is a combination of factors. When you have a football mad country, and 2 the best academy setups in arguably the world able to poach the best talent, you will create the best players.
The FA have also introduced the DNA where they want teams to stick together as they come through the England age groups and play in a certain style, so they play more like a team. I think this is also paying off and is seen best in the current u18s (World Cup winners) and was started and ingrained in them by Dan Michicce(who has since been sacked) while they were u16s.
The funny thing with the EPPP and it was touched on perfectly in an article I posted by KingSRV is that it is both a key reason for the our success at youth level but also the reason why none of them can get through to the senior team. The EPPP is funneling all of the best players into the top 6 clubs, and in particular the 2 richest clubs which hold over half of the elite talent in England. However, the are also funneling it to the two clubs that have the least interest in bring youth through. Chelsea and City have won the majority of the PL trophies in the last 5/6 years so they have no incentive to give the young players a chance, and as far as they are concerned their methods work. Additionally, there is no risk in them not playing them. They ensure none of their rivals can bite them on their ass by holding all the talent. If a talent does leave and move abroad City or Chelsea won't bat an eyelid dropping £100m in trying to sign them back. It doesn't matter to them. These 2 clubs are in the extreme but really it affects all of the top 6.
This is why when a new youngster comes through in the Football League and everyone crows that they need to be signed I don't understand why. The way the EPPP is set up, if there is a quality player in England all of the big clubs will know about them. 8 times out of 10 Chelsea or one of the top clubs will poach them and rarely will the parents turn down the opportunity for immediate financial security. That means 90% of the elite players in England are in the top 6 clubs and they struggle to come through. Occasionally a player might turn down the opportunity and choose as more clear pathway, or there may be late developers but majority of these players will be known to teh best clubs. It's why when Bishop, Maddison and all these kids come through, talented as they were I didn't believe they were any better than Winks, but when these boys comes through people wanted them instead. A perfect example is that Colkett, Palmer and Gomez were all in the same age group at Charlton. Colkett left to join Chelsea at u8s and was quality, I think Palmer joined later and would bang in spectacular goals, and Gomez decided to stay. Now look at Joe Gomez, in the PL while the others are struggling on loan again after their development has been stunted. And this is the problem, Chelsea have produced top quality players that contribute to Englnad but they eventually won't go through. And this isn't exclusive to Chelsea and City, if they don't get the players, then Liverpool will, or United or us, and we are all essentially as bad as each other at bringing youngsters through. So you have a situation where 90% of the academy talent who have swept all before them over the summer, are stuck in clubs who are unable or unwilling to give them chances.
If you're lucky you'll get talent that choose to stay at their clubs to come through an easy route or you'll get the late developers who end up in the league. Like Lookman, Alli, Gomez, Stones, Gray and everyone thinks that these guys are the biggest and best talents we have on offer and are unaware of the amount of gold being wasted by the top clubs. It's criminal. If you look at the u21s teams and compare the team to the same age group a few years back teh teams change so much as the opportunities now go to those who are playing in the Football League and you end up with fans asking for us to sign Dominic Iorfa, while we have CCV.
I'm picking up on this as well BC as I think this point is linked to the one above. Mid to lower PL clubs and Championship clubs are struggling to produce players as anytime they get to a good level they are instantly plucked by the big sides. So the pool they have to choose from is very small. So while it is not impossible sometimes these clubs just don't have the players ready to step in, though I'm sure the best of the academies are still more than capable of playing PL football. One of the best clubs to point out to I guess prove both of our points is to look at WBA. Strikers and AMs are gold dust for managers as they get the goals but are also worth the most money. WBA had produced Izzy Brown, Jerome Sinclair, Yan Dhanda and I feel one other in recent times who had they not been poached would have been more than good enough to play PL football with the right manager, however they don't have the rate manager and you've got, 'win at all costs' Pulis there who has an excellent source of players under him but can't tap into them. He had Jonathan Leko, Tyler Roberts who are more talented strikers and if he had any cajones would give them a chance, he isn't really going to challenge for top 4 so doesn't have that excuse and should not be getting relegated so has a great breeding ground to play these players and if they did play they would take them further, but they have a manager who's only concern is aiming for 40 points and one who also can't coach players and instead stifles any ability. Palace have done Ok with Bolasie, Zaha and Williams, Fulham have brought through Sessegnon, Roberts, and Woodrow (and will hopefully bring through Steven and O'Riley) so they're a club with quality players that try and bring them through. But I think the lack of chances comes down to a lack of quality options available due to the top 6 skimming off the best and the lack of courage from the managers.
Finally and I have mentioned this before. i feel if they want the EPPP to work and the FA aren't going to create rules like having 5 English players in squad etc. they should give Cat 1 status to Championship and League One clubs. That was all of the talent we are seeing are playing in the Football League for clubs that will be willing to give them chances as they are their players. They will also be better than what they have and will have massive rewards in bringing through the best ones. Whether that be through promotion or the big clubs spending massive money on trying to sign them. I don't know what it will do, if they then become PL clubs and rich due to the money received, would the Cat 1 status be removed. I haven't thought that far ahead but it makes absolutely no sense in having all that talent go to waste
Can you explain how the FA through EPPP funnels kids toward these top 6 academies ? I mean talented kids like Sessegnon are proof that you can speed up your career and star for England development teams and not be part of a PL academy.
I would try and cut and paste from it but best to read the article, he says things a lot better than me
https://youthhawk.wordpress.com/201...dern-english-youth-football-a-deconstruction/
Thanks IG, I remember reading that piece before. I have read it again and I still don't understand the mechanics of EPPP, especially in terms of forcing or inducing kids toward the top 4/5 clubs ?
Only a select group qualify for EPPP status I assume, due to the holistic package they can offer, but no one is being forced to join those academies ? Encouraged maybe, but not forced ?