Can we take a moment to laugh heartily at Everton?

[McFlash]

Am I right in thinking that the EFL would be under no obligation to accept someone like City from joining their league?
They're a different entity to the PL, so if the PL eject/relegate City, there's a chance they could find themselves homeless?

 

[Tucker]

Am I right in thinking that the EFL would be under no obligation to accept someone like City from joining their league?
They're a different entity to the PL, so if the PL eject/relegate City, there's a chance they could find themselves homeless?

They could, but it’s unlikely they’ll do that. Having a team like City in the championship would get gate receipts up considerably. Not to mention the added tv attention.

 

[wakefieldyid]

If you are going to cheat and break the rules do it big and the punishment will not fit the crime. There is no way the Premier League will be able to implement a fitting punishment. Relegation to the championship is nothing when you consider all the shiny baubles they have won. As an owner you would say it was worth it. As a supporter I would have accepted our achievements for one season of pain and still have all the worlds best players for the following season. Both clubs would have factored this in.

Surely we're all falling into the trap of seeing this only as a sporting issue? If the key individuals have knowingly signed off documents and official returns that they knew to be fraudulent, they are guilty of fraud and should face criminal sanctions.

 

[Japhet]

I don't think you can re-write history, but something as seemingly insignificant as an asterisk against everything the cheats (I'm talking MC & CFC) won whilst cheating, is an indelible mark of shame against them, and something that would tarnish them forever. They should also be thrown out of all domestic Cups for a long time, have more severe financial restrictions than anyone else and be banned from any transfer dealings for a number of years. It wouldn't be possible to calculate the effects their cheating has had on everybody else in any case.

 

[philll]

Maybe the fear of a transfer ban was one of the drivers behind Chelsea signing all those young players on insanely long contracts.

 

[Col_M]

Maybe the fear of a transfer ban was one of the drivers behind Chelsea signing all those young players on insanely long contracts.

nah. It was a cunning plan to bypass existing FFP rules.

 

[Col_M]

What would be good is if they could implicate coaches and therefore impose a lifetime ban.

 

[philll]

nah. It was a cunning plan to bypass existing FFP rules.

Yeah, that too, but I did say "one of the drivers"... what better way to prepare for a potential multi-season transfer ban than having pre-emptively signed a load of good, young players who are all contracted to be at the club for the better part of a decade?

 

[kmk]

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

From a business perspective, Levy has done a pretty good job

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Am I right in thinking that the EFL would be under no obligation to accept someone like City from joining their league?
They're a different entity to the PL, so if the PL eject/relegate City, there's a chance they could find themselves homeless?

It would be upto them, accepting a club that has just massive cheated would not be popular with other Championship teams so I think that would be a knife edge decision.

Man City may not be accepted into EFL if relegated from Premier League

Premier League champions Manchester City could end up facing demotion from the Premier League if found guilty of multiple financial fair play-related offences over a nine-year period

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Gbspurs]

Personally I think if your caught cheating then you should be demoted to the lowest league.

 

[Tucker]

Personally I think if your caught cheating then you should be demoted to the lowest league.

To this extent, yes. They’ve won several titles, cups, and even the champions league through their cheating. They’ve skewed the competitiveness of European football, and English Football.

That before you consider the business implications for all the clubs they’ve cheated out of prize money, tv money, sponsorship money, and everything else that follows that.

They should be relegated from the premier league and barred from entry for a century.

 

[WiganSpur]

If they're found guilty, relegation to the Championship does barely anything for a team like City. They'd still keep most of their players knowing promotion is guaranteed the following season. Certainly if I was a City player I wouldn't care if it's for one season. It's also not a proportionate punishment for the crime. Imo they should be demoted to the Conference, which I think just about compensates for the scale and seriousness of the breaches. That way, all of their players and coaches are guaranteed to be out the door and they have to build everything from scratch this time conforming to the rules. Even that wouldn't be just - perhaps the FA/PL needs to introduce a rule that doesn't count funds from selling current players in the balance sheet for 4-5 years, as those players would have effectively been acquired illegally.

 

[Japhet]

Personally I think if your caught cheating then you should be demoted to the lowest league.

I personally think sanctions that last at least as long as the cheating did are the way to go. Transfer bans/restrictions, salary caps, severe financial scrutiny and expulsion from all domestic Cups. As I said before, an asterisk against anything won is a mark of shame should also be applied as a reminder to anyone who thinks they can flout the rules in future.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Different rules and Sugar went to court but we were initially supposed to be docked 12 points for financial irregularities so 10 points is not bad for Everton.
Reckon the independent commission getting ready for a massive points deduction for City which would solve the problem of expelling them , take enough points off and they get relegated to the Championship by the proper route.

Football: Spurs are 'staggered' by punishment: Tottenham escape

ALAN SUGAR, the Tottenham Hotspur chairman, last night felt like the man who has avoided the death penalty only to be given life imprisonment. The Football Association's punishment for Spurs' financial irregularities included the deduction of 12 points from next season's Premiership campaign...

www.independent.co.uk

PS Not sure where I read it but seem to remember reading that if Man C were found guilty of breaking PL rules then UEFA could reinstate the two year CL ban, so it could be a double whammy for City

 

[WiganSpur]

I personally think sanctions that last at least as long as the cheating did are the way to go. Transfer bans/restrictions, salary caps, severe financial scrutiny and expulsion from all domestic Cups. As I said before, an asterisk against anything won is a mark of shame should also be applied as a reminder to anyone who thinks they can flout the rules in future.

A transfer ban for a number of seasons would work well - anything that doesn't allow them to instantly use the cash they'll ultimately generate by selling players they've acquired by cooking the books. They'd probably still go up 4 seasons in a row relying on their youth team.

 

[1882andallthat]

In Scotland they were bold enough to relegate Rangers to the lowest tier of the Scottish league in 2012 and historically and significantly that was massive in Scotland where they relegated one of the two biggest powerhouses in that country who have been one of the two biggest powerhouses in Scottish football history by a country mile and then some more.

In comparison I would say relegating Rangers in the way the Scottish authorities did is way more significant given how big they've always been in Scotland than it would be if we relegated Chelsea and Man City in that way, so if they've got the gumption and stomach to do something so massive and significant in their country we should do the same in England in the PL.

 

[WiganSpur]

There's a team of lawyers somewhere in Manchester already browsing which new Range Rover they'll be buying when they get back from their yacht in the Seychelles. You know that they'll be paying top, top dollar to anyone who can make this just a points punishment after the Everton decision.

Writing off this season for a 20+ points deduction and throwing in the towel until next year would be a ridiculous let off and, as pointed out, any retrospective punishment would be nothing more than symbolic in the grand scheme of things. I honestly don't care if they get stripped of titles or whatever, that's done with.

I also expect there'll be a high chance of them getting barred from Europe for at least a year or two which will be a bigger dent, and potentially a transfer ban as well, which would be appropriate.

edit: wrong thread for that, apologies

I've never really understood how stripping of titles brings any sort of justice tbh. Maybe so in athletics events, but not in football. I'd like the punishment to reflect the number of years they've been profiting from the loopholes and should be a punishment that means it'll take them as many years to get back to where they are now.

 

[Col_M]

Yeah, that too, but I did say "one of the drivers"... what better way to prepare for a potential multi-season transfer ban than having pre-emptively signed a load of good, young players who are all contracted to be at the club for the better part of a decade?

you don’t think they have relegation clauses?