Can we take a moment to laugh heartily at Everton?

[Col_M]

I know many of you don’t do twitter. So here’s a TikTok. Y’all Tik don’t you?

 

[SuperLuka]

Disagree. All of the trophies would be removed from the cabinet, all of their honours lists would have to be changed and the history books would always have a massive star next to them to show they cheated at an unprecedented level for 15-20 years. It would be a huge stain on anyone and everyone associated with the club. Any time one of their fans would try to say we won the title they’d be destroyed by opposition fans and ridiculed for being the biggest cheats in football history, officially.

That shouldn’t be the only punishment though, it should just be one part of it.

They should also both be relegated and given huge fines relating to the length of time they cheated and how much they cost other teams in that period. That would basically obliterate the pair of them for a long, long time.

Oh and if the owners are still there (like in City’s case) they should be forcibly removed too.

I agree however we all know nothing will happen

 

[LSUY]

The Times reporting this morning that Chelsea and city would be looking at relegations given the scale of Everton's punishment

Not gonna happen. The Premier League is a brand and it needs the names that City and Chelsea's ludicrous spending brings in. Plus, if you relegated them City and Chelsea could decide they have nothing to lose and join the Super League. The PL isn't going to rock the boat as the way things are is making them a lot of money.

 

[thecook]

 

[McFlash]

Regarding City and Chelsea.

You have to see this through Levy's eyes.

He gets shit constantly thrown at him for not putting this club at risk by overspending and doing everything to increase investment and income anyway legally possible.

He has sone this for 20 years and played by the book despite the criticism he gets.

Meanwhile, to make his job even more difficult (to appease Tottenham fans with success) he has 2 other club ownership show a total lack of regard for rules and cheat their way to surpassing your club and beating you to trophies.

Especially as these 2 have beaten us to players, trophies and even tapped up our players

Everton would be included in that if they hadn't been so awful and challenged us.

He will not accept this lying down which probably explains Pep's pathetic smear of him.

Yeah, I'd bet good money on Levy being all over this behind the scenes.
He's always talking about being sustainable and suchlike, I wouldn't expect anything less than for him to be throwing his weight around to the PL and as one of the longest serving chairman who's done it all the right way, he should hold a fair bit of sway.

It's another situation where we should be glad to have him in our corner

 

[newbie]

With City they absolutely must be stripped of all titles. There really is no other option for the rules to mean anything.

You can't have someone disqualified from the competition for breaking the rules but they still win

Relegating to the conference would be worse

 

[rossdapep]

Not gonna happen. The Premier League is a brand and it needs the names that City and Chelsea's ludicrous spending brings in. Plus, if you relegated them City and Chelsea could decide they have nothing to lose and join the Super League. The PL isn't going to rock the boat as the way things are is making them a lot of money.

Chelsea and City were not that important to the PL before the money.

Other clubs (Newcastle, Villa etc) will just fill that vacuum

 

[LSUY]

Chelsea and City were not that important to the PL before the money.

Other clubs (Newcastle, Villa etc) will just fill that vacuum

Chelsea and City weren't that important before the money but now they have money and lots of it. Sheikh Mansour is worth over £22bn, Todd Boehly over £10bn, with the exception of Newcastle no other owner is close to them. The owner of Villa has less than the owners of Wolves and Fulham. As long as Mansour and Boehly are willing to piss money up the wall on players I don't see the PL giving them any meaningful punishment as they profit from that spending. Also, we all know it's a matter of when Newcastle starts breaching financial fair play. As much as I would like to see them gone I don't see the PL doing anything that'll scare away Arab and American billionaires.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

The Times reporting this morning that Chelsea and city would be looking at relegations given the scale of Everton's punishment

Yes but the new owners at Chelsea noticed this before they bought the club. They set aside 100m from the purchase price just in case. As Chelsea reported this themselves, I think it will save them. Big fine but prob not points deduction. Every chance City will be relegated because they have broken rules but, more importantly, have failed to cooperate on various matters.
rangers were relegated 3 divisions, Juve relegated . Marseille relegated for two seasons many years ago.
Juve kicked out of Europe this season.
Pressure on now for the prem lge to get the City situation sorted out.
The reason Everton have been hammered is the threat of a regulator coming in. Clubs definitely do not want this so the league are trying to show they can keep the clubs in order.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

So my understanding is that this was clear cut and Everton admitted it.
If 10pts is the standard then it surely has to be much much worse for clubs that have 1) been doing it for longer 2) tries to hide it. The FA must send out a message that this cannot and will not be allowed to happen.

yea, that ain’t gonna happen

Richard Masters said at the enquiry that the PL have set a standard of 6 points for going over the limit plus 1pt for every 5m over that. This fits for the 10 pts but the commission said they did not use that system. Believe it or not.

 

[thebenjamin]

Not gonna happen. The Premier League is a brand and it needs the names that City and Chelsea's ludicrous spending brings in. Plus, if you relegated them City and Chelsea could decide they have nothing to lose and join the Super League. The PL isn't going to rock the boat as the way things are is making them a lot of money.

All the clubs signed an agreement making a super league breakaway illegal.

 

[Col_M]

Richard Masters said at the enquiry that the PL have set a standard of 6 points for going over the limit plus 1pt for every 5m over that. This fits for the 10 pts but the commission said they did not use that system. Believe it or not.

you mean 10pts was a coincidence?

the punishment needs to be more as it didn’t just cheat the finances it tarnished the record books and reputation of several competitions.

 

[1882andallthat]

The Times reporting this morning that Chelsea and city would be looking at relegations given the scale of Everton's punishment

Now that would be more like it but I don't see it happening.

 

[nailsy]

Not gonna happen. The Premier League is a brand and it needs the names that City and Chelsea's ludicrous spending brings in. Plus, if you relegated them City and Chelsea could decide they have nothing to lose and join the Super League. The PL isn't going to rock the boat as the way things are is making them a lot of money.

They'd both be back in a season so it wouldn't hurt the League for long. It might even make the league more interesting for a season with more clubs being promoted and someone other than city having a chance to win the title.

 

[glacierSpurs]

They'd both be back in a season so it wouldn't hurt the League for long. It might even make the league more interesting for a season with more clubs being promoted and someone other than city having a chance to win the title.

If they are hit with bans and sanctions, they will have to sell their stars and trim their staff. They will be back to where they rightfully belong, and possibly even worse. It may not be as swift and easy thinking they could make it back up when the manager is no longer Pep and players like Haaland, KdB, Diaz etc no longer there playing. (I can't think of any extraordinary players in chelscum to list above and make my point. Even if they do, together Poch, they may still struggle down in championship and not necessarily a sure-win in League One! Because they can be real shit when they are shit)

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

The reason Everton have been hammered is the threat of a regulator coming in. Clubs definitely do not want this so the league are trying to show they can keep the clubs in order.

Not just a threat , it's going to happen under this government or the next , the PL and the clubs have got no say in the matter , it's coming and clubs will need to be licensed to operate.

English football to get new independent regulator

British PM Sunak confirmed plans for an independent football regulator to safeguard the future of English soccer clubs in his King's Speech on Tuesday.

www.espn.co.uk

On the ongoing Man C enquiry , if they are found guilty and not given a penalty greater than Everton one of the clubs could easily call for a special resolution and vote on expelling them.

B.6. Notwithstanding the provisions of Article 14.10, the League may expel a Club from membership upon a special Resolution to that effect being passed by a majority of not less than three-quarters of such members as (being entitled to do so) vote by their representatives or by proxy at a General Meeting of which notice specifying the intention to propose the Resolution has been duly given.

 

[thebenjamin]

Not just a threat , it's going to happen under this government or the next , the PL and the clubs have got no say in the matter , it's coming and clubs will need to be licensed to operate.

English football to get new independent regulator

British PM Sunak confirmed plans for an independent football regulator to safeguard the future of English soccer clubs in his King's Speech on Tuesday.

www.espn.co.uk

On the ongoing Man C enquiry , if they are found guilty and not given a penalty greater than Everton one of the clubs could easily call for a special resolution and vote on expelling them.

B.6. Notwithstanding the provisions of Article 14.10, the League may expel a Club from membership upon a special Resolution to that effect being passed by a majority of not less than three-quarters of such members as (being entitled to do so) vote by their representatives or by proxy at a General Meeting of which notice specifying the intention to propose the Resolution has been duly given.

That's the problem, the 3 quarters vote. Newcastle Chelsea and city obviously against. Doesn't take many more to derail it

 

[Finchyid]

Chelsea and City were not that important to the PL before the money.

Other clubs (Newcastle, Villa etc) will just fill that vacuum

PL didn’t exist then

 

[Finchyid]

If they are hit with bans and sanctions, they will have to sell their stars and trim their staff. They will be back to where they rightfully belong, and possibly even worse. It may not be as swift and easy thinking they could make it back up when the manager is no longer Pep and players like Haaland, KdB, Diaz etc no longer there playing. (I can't think of any extraordinary players in chelscum to list above and make my point. Even if they do, together Poch, they may still struggle down in championship and not necessarily a sure-win in League One! Because they can be real shit when they are shit)

Who are you kidding?

they won’t be relegated, they wont have points deducted anyway

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

If you are going to cheat and break the rules do it big and the punishment will not fit the crime. There is no way the Premier League will be able to implement a fitting punishment. Relegation to the championship is nothing when you consider all the shiny baubles they have won. As an owner you would say it was worth it. As a supporter I would have accepted our achievements for one season of pain and still have all the worlds best players for the following season. Both clubs would have factored this in.