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Alvarez and the weight issue of squad
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Perfectly correct. I also thought sugar/salt free Tommy K was not bad for you and that it's a good source of lycopene. Those crazy Spaniards.
As far as the fat to muscle comment is concerned I think we al have a good idea what he means.
We have dropped 50 kilos of fat although it's actually more than that as we have also built muscle.
I don't see how anybody can argue that we look a fitter team now, previously there is no way we could have played at the tempo we have in some of the recent games, most notably the home games against Arse & Utd and the away game at Utd where even though down to 10 men we arguably finished the stronger team.
I think that the improvement in the teams overall fitness is there for all to see. I think back with horror to our team that lost at home to Blackburn earlier this season where as a unit we were little more than at a standstill for the last 15/20 minutes.
Now whilst none of us on here are not experts people continuously questioned our levels of fitness, in fact it was questioned virtually non stop as not only did we struggle to complete games we also never looked quite sharp enough.
For me we now not only last longer but we look so much sharper, we are quicker to the ball and the way we spring from back to front and even our recovery speed when we have lost possesion would not have been and wasn't previously possible.
I think that somebody said 100 kilos isn't much over a squad and indeed it doesn't sound it but in reality it's a huge amount of weight for a group of say 30 elite professional athletes to shed during a competetive season. Try taking a group of elite athletes who are competing at the very top of their profession where the margins between success and failure are very slim and taking on average half a stone off of each of them. I doubt it would happen very often.
We have dropped 50 kilos of fat although it's actually more than that as we have also built muscle.
I don't see how anybody can argue that we look a fitter team now, previously there is no way we could have played at the tempo we have in some of the recent games, most notably the home games against Arse & Utd and the away game at Utd where even though down to 10 men we arguably finished the stronger team.
I think that the improvement in the teams overall fitness is there for all to see. I think back with horror to our team that lost at home to Blackburn earlier this season where as a unit we were little more than at a standstill for the last 15/20 minutes.
Now whilst none of us on here are not experts people continuously questioned our levels of fitness, in fact it was questioned virtually non stop as not only did we struggle to complete games we also never looked quite sharp enough.
For me we now not only last longer but we look so much sharper, we are quicker to the ball and the way we spring from back to front and even our recovery speed when we have lost possesion would not have been and wasn't previously possible.
I think that somebody said 100 kilos isn't much over a squad and indeed it doesn't sound it but in reality it's a huge amount of weight for a group of say 30 elite professional athletes to shed during a competetive season. Try taking a group of elite athletes who are competing at the very top of their profession where the margins between success and failure are very slim and taking on average half a stone off of each of them. I doubt it would happen very often.
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Pfffft. I shit 100kg everyday, that's nothing.
What do you mean this isn't ImSecretlyAnElephantLivingInHumanFormCommunity.co.uk?
Dammit. Why do I keep the links next to each other?
Averaging out though, I'd say the more critical issue was the stamina and the general fitness, not the odd pound here and there. Muscle does weigh more than fat - it's not a common misconception at all, it's plain fact. Hudd's legs certainly look as though they've shed a few pounds - and his face has slimmed too. His body hasn't changed a bit. Maybe it's more toned, but his frame is exactly the same.
Like in the 5-1 Carling Cup game, the players were running their hearts out until the final seconds, culminating in the breakaway goal at the end. I know we scored that sort of goal a lot last year, but the general team movement (as opposed to lightweight Lennon flying down in the wing in the 90th minute) is a whole lot better in the latter stages of games.
What do you mean this isn't ImSecretlyAnElephantLivingInHumanFormCommunity.co.uk?
Dammit. Why do I keep the links next to each other?
Averaging out though, I'd say the more critical issue was the stamina and the general fitness, not the odd pound here and there. Muscle does weigh more than fat - it's not a common misconception at all, it's plain fact. Hudd's legs certainly look as though they've shed a few pounds - and his face has slimmed too. His body hasn't changed a bit. Maybe it's more toned, but his frame is exactly the same.
Like in the 5-1 Carling Cup game, the players were running their hearts out until the final seconds, culminating in the breakaway goal at the end. I know we scored that sort of goal a lot last year, but the general team movement (as opposed to lightweight Lennon flying down in the wing in the 90th minute) is a whole lot better in the latter stages of games.
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Make sure you check out Captain Nemo's its even more amazing :wink::cheers::wink:
Used to work a lot in Prague. Its a fun city with lots of cheap bars and some seriously fit birds. Man i wish i was there :bang:
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Unless you are as American as apple pie, Man Utd and Liverpool, its spelt generalisation in this country.
Bobishism
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Contrary to what Stoof was proclaiming.
This is why you shouldn't listen to that mod. He's making it up as he goes along!
GeneralBurk
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One response from 606 board that made me chuckle
"Well you sold Mido to us! Was that before October?
He must be about 150kg. The fat knacker!!"
Fat jokes and Mido will they ever end?
"Well you sold Mido to us! Was that before October?
He must be about 150kg. The fat knacker!!"
Fat jokes and Mido will they ever end?
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Some of these comments make me laugh.
Anyway, on the fitness issue, it is true that if you start with rested but unconditioned players and you leave them to the natural training regime and the playing of matches by the end of the season they'll be fitter than they were at the beginning. In fact there's a lot less risk of burn-out as you're not attempting to keep them in the peak of physical fitness throughout a season. As a result, while some teams tire towards the end we come motoring through, ala '06/'07. I'm sure this is the point Jol, I mean the source, was making.
This is one theory to fitness training and a neat and simple answer to burn-out and getting the best over all out of your players.
A more difficult process is getting your players fit and the beginning and keeping them fit throughout. For that you need experts, massive attention to detail, such as special and individually tailored diets, special fitness regimes etc. You also need a versatile team and to trust in the squad not just a core 13 or 14 players. This is what Ramos attempts to do.
The problem with the former theory is that you can come unstuck at the begining of the season when you come up against fitter more determined teams (see: '05/'06 and '06/'07), and if it goes really bad, be out of the picture by the time the benefits of pacing yourself kick in. The problem with the latter is you might end up with burn-out and injuries.
Either way there's no excuse for the apparent lack of attention to the dietary side of things. You can pace yourself and eat properly. There's no advantage to eating cakes, sweets and sugary drinks, there's no advantage to carrying excess flab.
I've always said I think in many ways Jol was a very good coach, but one my criticisms of him has also been that he didn't seem like a details kind of man, that he wasn't obsessed with the small things, that he was this avuncula big picture kind of guy who didn't hold much store with these 'modern fads'. This article seems to confirm that view and it's another reason why I think Jol had taken us as far, as he secretly admitted, as it was possible for him to take us.
Anyway, on the fitness issue, it is true that if you start with rested but unconditioned players and you leave them to the natural training regime and the playing of matches by the end of the season they'll be fitter than they were at the beginning. In fact there's a lot less risk of burn-out as you're not attempting to keep them in the peak of physical fitness throughout a season. As a result, while some teams tire towards the end we come motoring through, ala '06/'07. I'm sure this is the point Jol, I mean the source, was making.
This is one theory to fitness training and a neat and simple answer to burn-out and getting the best over all out of your players.
A more difficult process is getting your players fit and the beginning and keeping them fit throughout. For that you need experts, massive attention to detail, such as special and individually tailored diets, special fitness regimes etc. You also need a versatile team and to trust in the squad not just a core 13 or 14 players. This is what Ramos attempts to do.
The problem with the former theory is that you can come unstuck at the begining of the season when you come up against fitter more determined teams (see: '05/'06 and '06/'07), and if it goes really bad, be out of the picture by the time the benefits of pacing yourself kick in. The problem with the latter is you might end up with burn-out and injuries.
Either way there's no excuse for the apparent lack of attention to the dietary side of things. You can pace yourself and eat properly. There's no advantage to eating cakes, sweets and sugary drinks, there's no advantage to carrying excess flab.
I've always said I think in many ways Jol was a very good coach, but one my criticisms of him has also been that he didn't seem like a details kind of man, that he wasn't obsessed with the small things, that he was this avuncula big picture kind of guy who didn't hold much store with these 'modern fads'. This article seems to confirm that view and it's another reason why I think Jol had taken us as far, as he secretly admitted, as it was possible for him to take us.
I agree that 100 Kilos doesn't seem much but if you consider for a squad for 20, that is 5 kg each. Now, if we are considering an average joe like you or me, 5 kg probably don't mean alot because of our average fitness and the amount of exercise we do, but if you consider for a professional sports athlete, that 5 kg can mean a big difference in terms of fitness, speed and agility. We weren't a squad of Pavarottis but Pavarotti was never a professional football player who is required to run for 90 minutes.
For me, 5kg of fat is a big deal for a professional footballer and losing this weight has been a significant factor in our improved performances. It is very obvious. I'm not sure who was in charge of nutrition during Jol's reign but that person is probably one big contributing factor to our bad start this year , last year and the year before.
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What's wrong with the spanish comment? THey (as do France and Italy also) generally drink a lot of wine (though, it's better than beer) and smoke a hell of a lot. But they're diets contain a lot of fresh fruit and veg and fish. What's wrong with that?
Fresh fruit and veg is a hell of a lot better and cheaper there than here though.
Muscle definitely weighs more than fat too...
Fresh fruit and veg is a hell of a lot better and cheaper there than here though.
Muscle definitely weighs more than fat too...
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I had to laugh when I read this too as I remember Stoof claiming that Huddlestone didn't need to lose wait and that the lad was just big boned, or maybe it was water retention, or maybe he wasn't wearing black etc.
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He's still the same shape though. So what exactly were you laughing about? My point at the time was you're not gonna see him suddenly slim down to a Jenas type frame. He's a big boy who's lost a bit around the face and probably toned up his legs a bit but the fella wasn't fat - which is what I had the problem with people saying
And no, Bobishism - I'm not making it up. I've seen Huddlestone walking lengths of the swimming pool at what is now the Virgin Active, where the Top Golf is in Chigwell - some, what, 6 months ago?
Given the way the squad were unsettled , I wouldn't be surprised if they felt insecure and started comfort eating .
Take out those who are clearly not carrrying surplus fat (Jenas , Lennon , Tanio , Gunter , Keane , Berbatov , Zokora , Chimbonda , Lee , O'Hara) .
Does it ring true that the remaining 20 first teamers were really carrying an average of 11 lbs ?
SpurSince57
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But some people were suggesting that the Hudd needed to lose two or three stone, which was, and is, ridiculous. As the Hudd himself said in that article, he's lost a bit of weight—which is, frankly, a pretty imprecise statement—but the important thing is that he's improved his stamina. That's been far more apparent in recent matches than any loss of illusory flab.
I think you slipped Robbie in by mistake, he was well short of the required levels at the start of the season and was absolutely fucked afetr 10 or 15 minutes at home to Everton.
Keane is 1 who I think has benefitted greatly under the new regime, he looks a lot fitter and sharper.
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It's a fitness vs. losing weight battle that seem unseperable to some. An athlete can be the same weight but at different levels of fitness. It's most noticeable that Hudd's legs are slimmer, again, probably because of the running. :up:
