Will FFP finally put spurs where they belong?

[AdamYoung]

Hopefully. I think it’s them baring their teeth more than anything. They know they’re going to get whacked by those charges, and they want to show the premier league that they’ll start arguing everything going forward. They don’t have to worry about legal costs, they have infinite money and the weight of a nation behind them.

I thought exactly this.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Once the Ratcliffe deal goes through they’ll be linked to Nice won’t they. Not to mention Ineos etc.

Yes but he doesn’t own United.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Highly unlikely for most clubs , in England only Man U post higher matchday income than Spurs but when you have a look at their accounts they include all sorts of revenue in their "matchday receipts" that Spurs account for separately.
Just compare Spurs with so called mega rich Newcastle , matchday receipts at St James for year ending June 23 was £37.7 million , in Spurs last accounts matchday football revenue was £106.1 million and that doesn't include other revenue from events at the stadium like NFL , concerts etc which was £31.9 million , our non football revenue not that far behind Newcastle's for football with regular 52,000 crowds.

Those Saudi owners will have to work an awful lot of creative accounting to inject any money into Newcastle to satisfy FFP/PSR.

Newcastle dont charge 70 plus for a seat, if they did there would be a riot , same as Liverpool. London clubs can do it , loads of tourists to fill it up. Not great for atmosphere but that’s the way it is.
when we get that hotel up and running will make even more.
Neville and Giggs must make a fortune from that Red Hotel next to Old Trafford.

 

[Tucker]

Yes but he doesn’t own United.

He’s buying a large chunk of the club.

 

[superted4]

He’s buying a large chunk of the club.

And apparently having full control over the football side of the club

 

[Col_M]

Seeing so many tweets about Levy blowing £70m here and there on other clubs’ star players as they struggle to meet FFP regulations. Do these tweeters know nothing? Do they honestly think Levy would spend that much when he can drive the price down and down before walking away with no deal leaving the selling club up shit creek?

 

[kmk]

 

[mil1lion]

It's funny that we're hated on yet we have done things the right way and we have British ownership. If we win a title are people really going to appreciate us or moan about something else? Spurs are the team people love to hate. I think it just goes back so far they can't get out the mindset of hating Spurs. It's like kids are growing up to "fucking hate Spurs" without knowing why.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Seems like it's more jealously from some other fans, no recent trophies but Levy has built a sustainable business model that some other fans envy. While other stadiums sit fairly silent during the winter months between matches apart from stadium tours ours is alive with karting , rooftop walks , abseiling etc.
After a winning game like Brighton , opposition fans watch the crowd bouncing up and down to Freed From Desire and think wish we had a stadium like this.

 

[MatJspur]

This is very wrong.

But let's just do the exercise of going through the clubs in order to be clear on this point.

Firstly, there's no location in the UK that can regularly generate the type of money that our stadium does apart from London. There's a few reasons for this, but they mainly focus on Tourism, Corporate spend and overall % of the UK economy. The next largest economic city in London is of course Manchester, but it has around a quarter of the economy of London when it comes to this type of spend.

This absolutely. I live in Kent and my eldest often goes to London for gigs ext. My brother in law has gone to some of the NFL games at the Tottenham stadium and often goes to London for days out, he lives in Hertfordshire. Its so easy for the people of the surrounding counties to get into London. No other place in England can emulate it.

 

[mil1lion]

Seems like it's more jealously from other fans, no recent trophies but Levy has built a sustainable business model that other fans envy. While other stadiums sit fairly silent during the winter months between matches apart from stadium tours ours is alive with karting , rooftop walks , abseiling etc.
After a winning game like Brighton , opposition fans watch the crowd bouncing up and down to Freed From Desire and think wish we had a stadium like this.

It goes back way further than the stadium. Pretty much since we've been named among the big 6. Like people hate that we are among them even though we've regularly finished top 6 which is where it came from. Even when we won the league cup it's just now the trophy draught has added to their hate. I find it a bit weird for a team doing things the right way within the laws of the game and doing it well.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Interesting stat in the section revenue per fan we are 3rd in Europe behind PSG and Juve , maybe a temporary postion with Real rebuilding their stadium. Revenue has a direct relationship with FFP , like to point out Everton & Villa wage ratio again , either they are paying their squad too much or not charging enough at the turnstiles to free them of FFP worries.

The European Club Finance and Investment Landscape

This report is the second of two produced during this season where UEFA’s Intelligence Centre explores and analyses the European football landscape and documents the successes and challenges of European club football.

ecfil.uefa.com

 

[dovahkiin]

Interesting stat in the section revenue per fan we are 3rd in Europe behind PSG and Juve , maybe a temporary postion with Real rebuilding their stadium. Revenue has a direct relationship with FFP , like to point out Everton & Villa wage ration again , either they are paying their squad too much or not charging enough at the turnstiles to free them of FFP worries.

The European Club Finance and Investment Landscape

This report is the second of two produced during this season where UEFA’s Intelligence Centre explores and analyses the European football landscape and documents the successes and challenges of European club football.

ecfil.uefa.com

i think this is a very short summary of the above

Man Utd break UEFA record for transfers as Spurs lead English clubs for gate revenue

United’s figures do not include the significant spending of last summer

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Westmorlandspur]

And apparently having full control over the football side of the club

He’s buying 25% . The Glazers have 75%. They have the whip hand. If he wants to spend a certain amount of money and they don’t agree, it ain’t happening.
Looks like they will get Dan Ashworth from Newcastle. He knows what he’s doing.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

This so spot on.

The amount of bullshit I read from Man City, Newcastle and Everton fans about how FFP is designed to keep other clubs from challenging the elite is infuriating. While there is definitely an element of that the reality is we are a model of how you can eventually join this 'cartel' - by making smart decisions over a prolonged period of time. Growing the global profile of the club, which in turn means more fans, and then bigger commercial/sponsorship deals. Buying players with potential and then selling them at a huge profit, and reinvesting the money into the squad, continually raising the level of players. And finally building a world class stadium/entertainment venue to generate even more revenue. Yes it is a long slog, and there will always be frustrating mistakes along the way, but you can get to a higher level using a sustainable approach.

Of course though, fans don't have patience for this, so would rather jump on board with murderous nation states to cheat code their way to success in a fraction of the time.

 

[easley91]

These clubs should be looking to Levy for guidance on how to run a club financially rather than spend beyond their means and breaching rules etc. We have done things the right way and yet get lumbered in with it all? They hate us, but want to be us (Everton, Villa, Forest etc.).

 

[mil1lion]

Teams will want to be where we are now but without the 20 year journey. It's like they will not want to go back to the starting point and progress the way we have now. It's like we've got the headstart on a lot of teams. How long would it take to do what we've done with the stadium for example?

 

[ItsBoris]

Interesting stat in the section revenue per fan we are 3rd in Europe behind PSG and Juve , maybe a temporary postion with Real rebuilding their stadium. Revenue has a direct relationship with FFP , like to point out Everton & Villa wage ratio again , either they are paying their squad too much or not charging enough at the turnstiles to free them of FFP worries.

The European Club Finance and Investment Landscape

This report is the second of two produced during this season where UEFA’s Intelligence Centre explores and analyses the European football landscape and documents the successes and challenges of European club football.

ecfil.uefa.com

Wouldn't have expected us to be 100 million euros ahead of Arsenal in revenue

 

[timfrancis]

Doesn’t looked chuffed coming out of the meeting earlier…..

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How can you tell?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Wouldn't have expected us to be 100 million euros ahead of Arsenal in revenue

It is a fact , just look at the last published financials for both clubs for up to 2022, Spurs are outperforming Arsenal on money.
Look at these figures
Spurs Matchday revenue £106.1 million , commercial revenue £183.4 million
Arseal matchday revenue £79.3 million , commercial revenue £141.7 million.

The lower matchday is due to the fact that Arsenal had no euro football in their last figures something that will effect Spurs when results for this season are published in 2025.
The financials for both clubs for year ending 2023 which will show us with Champions League should be published very soon but I think reports like Deloitte Money League are already using them.

Even with all the money rolling in Levy is not going to shell out £100 million on a player unless Ange really wants him but I'm not sure Ange would go for a ready made superstar I think bringing them in young is his preferred method.