Ginola+Tonic
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If this deal is true I can see why we didn’t go for it
Antonio Nusa
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If this deal is true I can see why we didn’t go for it
McArchibald
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Same old same old. To dare is too dear
Led Revolver
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From the sound of that deal, it seems like that wasn’t the decisive factor. That’s a huge deal and big sell on clause. We are right to walk away from this.
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Yeah we wouldn’t match that, and understandably so. Fair play to Brugge. What I’d love to know is if the deal would have been long done if we didn’t ask for him now. Ifs, buts and maybes.
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0-Tibsy-0
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im really struggling to get my head around this.
we either really wanted Nusa or Ange really wanted another player in to help immediately.
But seemingly neither will happen.
Trix
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If this was Dragusin I'd be fuming, as our desperate need this window was a CB. We however went on got one early. We also brought a forward in the shape of Timo Werner So the immediate business we needed to do we have done.
I liked the look of this kid, but at the same time he's far from the finished article. I had heard late on last week we were looking good on him, and we had most of the ducks lined up and it was just down to the detail(which 9 times out of 10 is a formality). Then what has happened happened, and WLB has spelt that out already. I had posted this bts but it wasn't concrete enough to post on the forum and what has happened is exactly why I don't break cover any more unless I'm sure.
With all transfers you have to take into account it's a gamble on whether it will work out or not, and in football that gamble has to be checked along side the cost. There has to be a cut off point where the balance tips and the value in taking that gamble is gone. The club believe the value is long gone now, and to be honest I make them right. For circa £20mil it's worth the punt, for £30mil it is not. Question now is do we look at one of the other young kids we have been enquiring about or do we keep our powder dry until the Summer?....... Could be either imo.
It's certainly a completely different feeling getting to the end of the window and being relaxed whilst posting about missing out on a target. Big well done to the club for that.
I liked the look of this kid, but at the same time he's far from the finished article. I had heard late on last week we were looking good on him, and we had most of the ducks lined up and it was just down to the detail(which 9 times out of 10 is a formality). Then what has happened happened, and WLB has spelt that out already. I had posted this bts but it wasn't concrete enough to post on the forum and what has happened is exactly why I don't break cover any more unless I'm sure.
With all transfers you have to take into account it's a gamble on whether it will work out or not, and in football that gamble has to be checked along side the cost. There has to be a cut off point where the balance tips and the value in taking that gamble is gone. The club believe the value is long gone now, and to be honest I make them right. For circa £20mil it's worth the punt, for £30mil it is not. Question now is do we look at one of the other young kids we have been enquiring about or do we keep our powder dry until the Summer?....... Could be either imo.
It's certainly a completely different feeling getting to the end of the window and being relaxed whilst posting about missing out on a target. Big well done to the club for that.
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Ghost Hardware
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To be sustainable. I mean we are one of very few clubs currently able to operate in this market with any real freedom. Most of the other “big” clubs are struggling financially with ffp. Yes we missed out on Nusa but the money was there and that’s without any European comp. I’m not saying I don’t want us to go and slap down the money for a Williams, Kvaratskhelia, Neto etc… obviously that’s what I want us to do but we just don’t spend like that and I don’t think we ever will. Not for the foreseeable future at least. Moving to a data lead approach to scouting and targeting the likes of Nusa very much implies we will continue to look for value in unearthed gems which is thus far proving successful (Sarr, VDV, Udogie).
Personally if it was me in charge I would pay the money for an elite, or one that was on the cusp of being elite, WF. I think it’s a big gap in our current selection and worth financially prioritising…but we won’t so I’m not going to get too attached to the idea. We just have to hope we manage to unearth one.
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Trix
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Still not going to get close to Brentford's offer for an 18yo with a handful of games under his belt in a substandard league. He has good potential but nothing more than that right now. When the price starts to move like it has there has to be a line drawn of what we will and will not pay. Wingers are very difficult to evaluate and so many of them look brilliant at a young age only to fall away quite sharply as the get worked out.
punkisback
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Thing is I understand the balance of the deal not making it worthwhile. But we also may be kicking ourselves if a few years down the line we try and buy him for 80/90 mil. When we could have had him a lot cheaper.
Trix
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Of course. So my question to you is should we buy all the young kids we have tracked like this at inflated values just in case?
Nick-TopSpursMan
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Our outlook on this deal will ultimately be decided by how he does for Brentford but also who we end up with.
If we end up with a top quality player with the same skillset (like we did with Vicario, VdV etc) then we will be laughing at this.
If we end up with a very limited player or someone who still doesn’t bring the skills we desperately need, then we will be very disappointed, especially if Nusa develops in to the top player so many people in the game think he could be.
For us now we need to be decisive and find another quality wide player asap. Son is getting older and our attack badly lacks quality compared to the rest of our team.
If we end up with a top quality player with the same skillset (like we did with Vicario, VdV etc) then we will be laughing at this.
If we end up with a very limited player or someone who still doesn’t bring the skills we desperately need, then we will be very disappointed, especially if Nusa develops in to the top player so many people in the game think he could be.
For us now we need to be decisive and find another quality wide player asap. Son is getting older and our attack badly lacks quality compared to the rest of our team.
Jocke W
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IF he is worth 80/90m in a few years. What IF he's a nobody and worth nothing in a few years?
You always have to, as Trix says, make a decision what you are willing to risk on a player or not. This time the price exceeded what we were willing to offer. With sober eyes on this deal I think it was the right decision. Even though I really liked Nusa as a prospect.
Yeah there seem to be some mixed messages coming about this deal. On the one hand we are hearing about how raw he is, how he’s not ready yet and he considers Spurs is too big of a step up, whilst at the same time we are hearing how Ange wanted him NOW, and didn’t want to wait until the Summer. But if Ange wanted him now he must think he is ready otherwise, as you say, allowing him to complete the season with Brugge shouldn’t have been a big deal. So which is it?
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I understand this line of thinking if we're talking about 10-15m.
But close to 40m is a different kettle of badgers risk-wise.
If it transpires that's where the market is going and unproven 18 year olds are worth 40m then we need to shift our approach, but I'm not sure we're there yet and this feels way above market price.
PCozzie
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Thanks for all the ITK on this one. If that report of €37m (inc bonuses) + 12.5% sell on fee with a 6-month loan back is correct then sure, this becomes more than just a punt on future talent and more towards a desperate hope he's not a dud.
Big risk for Brentford, but I'm still happy with where we are and the base we've built this window. Maybe an outside chance of something happening late on but if not then we're a few short weeks away from full strength (
) and can turn to the forward line for the summer.
Big risk for Brentford, but I'm still happy with where we are and the base we've built this window. Maybe an outside chance of something happening late on but if not then we're a few short weeks away from full strength (
) and can turn to the forward line for the summer.
Nebby
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Well the point certainly wasn’t to start spending irresponsibly on a kid that views us as a stepping stone.
Trix
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I don't even think it's that. If money were an infinite resource, then yeah fine. It isn't though, and this was always about trying to future proof us to some extent in a position where we aren't short on bodies. It was a deal to be done at a specific price and that is all. I don't think it'll be a case of just moving on to the next player on the last for that position right now if I'm honest as I don't think it was a position we considered a priority right now, just a good opportunity while we had spending power others don't have.
I can see us looking at other options and trying to get something done now for someone but I'm not convinced it'll matter if it's LWF or not.
