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Trix · Jun 28, 2022

worcestersauce said:
Perhaps because someone offered £43m so someone else offered £48m and so another club offered £50m. There isn't a rule that you have to accept the first offer of £43m only that if it is the only offer.
Of course he course insist on going to the club that offered the £43m but it is just as unlikely that he won't.
I do realise that if everyone offers £43m he can choose but if RB want to sell to the highest bidder and he's ok with that then that's how it goes.
If Arsenal offered £43 and we offered £45 are people suggesting RB would not sell to us because we didn't offer the clause amount?

No mate, you've got this all wrong. If the release clause is met it has to be accepted. Every club interested would just meet that fee. Only the player then can refuse to go.

Aphex · Jun 28, 2022

Also release clauses once met have to be paid in full. So no staggered payment terms and add ons etc. pretty sure that’s the case anyway.

mark87 · Jun 28, 2022

Aphex said:
Also release clauses once met have to be paid in full. So no staggered payment terms and add ons etc. pretty sure that’s the case anyway.

I always thought that was the only thing that needed to be negotiated, i.e. how much in installments etc, but I could be completely wrong there.

Gspurs11 · Jun 28, 2022

Aphex said:
Also release clauses once met have to be paid in full. So no staggered payment terms and add ons etc. pretty sure that’s the case anyway.

In Spain, i also believe you have to pay a tax when meeting a release clause as well. Not sure about other countries

Rob · Jun 28, 2022

mark_2017 said:
I always thought that was the only thing that needed to be negotiated, how much in installments etc, but I could be completely wrong there.

Surely there can't be a negotiation or it overrides the whole point of a release? "Yeah, we'll pay £50m release, at 10p a week" vs "it must all be paid now".

Aphex · Jun 28, 2022

mark_2017 said:
I always thought that was the only thing that needed to be negotiated, i.e. how much in installments etc, but I could be completely wrong there.

Pretty sure the full amount has to be made available to release from the contract. It doesn’t make sense to negotiate with the selling club that they get 10 million a year for four years for example. In that case the release clause hasn’t been met.

Obviously nothing stops the buying club borrowing that money from a bank to pay the clause and then paying the lender back over five years for example. The point is the club who owns the release clause must have the full money upfront.

mark87 · Jun 28, 2022

Rob said:
Surely there can't be a negotiation or it overrides the whole point of a release? "Yeah, we'll pay £50m release, at 10p a week" vs "it must all be paid now".

Yeah which is why I thought still negotiating that part was a bit odd, but I swear for a player we signed in the past (can't remember who) it was by meeting a release clause and an ITK said only thing left to negotiate was how it was paid. I could be making that up though.

djhotspur · Jun 28, 2022

worcestersauce said:
Perhaps because someone offered £43m so someone else offered £48m and so another club offered £50m. There isn't a rule that you have to accept the first offer of £43m only that if it is the only offer.
Of course he course insist on going to the club that offered the £43m but it is just as unlikely that he won't.
I do realise that if everyone offers £43m he can choose but if RB want to sell to the highest bidder and he's ok with that then that's how it goes.
If Arsenal offered £43 and we offered £45 are people suggesting RB would not sell to us because we didn't offer the clause amount?

There is when there is a buy out clause…. Because the club automatically have to accept the offer at 43million. It makes zero difference if 1 club bids 100m or 1 club bids 43m as both offers have to be accepted. It is then down to the player to pick which of those two clubs he goes to, which is where the money comes in.
the whole point of a buy out clause is that it means an offer is automatically accepted at the pre agreed fee.

mark87 · Jun 28, 2022

Aphex said:
Pretty sure the full amount has to be made available to release from the contract. It doesn’t make sense to negotiate with the selling club that they get 10 million a year for four years for example. In that case the release clause hasn’t been met.

Obviously nothing stops the buying club borrowing that money from a bank to pay the clause and then paying the lender back over five years for example. The point is the club who owns the release clause must have the full money upfront.

Yeah I get that, as I said I could be wrong but thought I read on here in the past that payment terms would still need to be discussed but maybe every deal is different, I dunno.

SpartanSpur · Jun 28, 2022

Rob said:
Surely there can't be a negotiation or it overrides the whole point of a release? "Yeah, we'll pay £50m release, at 10p a week" vs "it must all be paid now".

I think sometimes clubs are open to negotiation on it (the price almost being a gentlemans agreement of sorts with the player) but it's totally at their discretion and often the selling clubs simply insist on up front payment. It certainly was the case with Partey for example, Arsenal had to pay it in full and I think got a 3rd party loan for it.

I think RBL are the kind of club that don't really want to bother with negotiaitons, hence bringing in these clauses at such reasonable amounts.

Aphex · Jun 28, 2022

SpartanSpur said:
I think sometimes clubs are open to negotiation on it (the price almost being a gentlemans agreement of sorts with the player) but it's totally at their discretion and often the selling clubs simply insist on up front payment. It certainly was the case with Partey for example, Arsenal had to pay it in full and I think got a 3rd party loan for it.

I think RBL are the kind of club that don't really want to bother with negotiaitons, hence bringing in these clauses at such reasonable amounts.

I don't think they can't be bothered, it's more their business model.

Come to us, develop and then you can move on to elite clubs for reasonable amounts. It's how they can attract top young talent.

SpartanSpur · Jun 28, 2022

Aphex said:
I don't think they can't be bothered, it's more their business model.

Come to us, develop and then you can move on to elite clubs for reasonable amounts. It's how they can attract top young talent.

It's a very smart system. They need to stop other german clubs from being able to activate the clauses though!

SuperPav10 · Jun 28, 2022

Trix said:
I've said from day one I thought this would be the guy we end up with. That is based purely on who we'd be dealing with, the fact they want players from us, and the ease of doing this deal compared to others.

Ending up with Torres (via creative accounting / player swaps etc) and potentially a cheaper, experienced head such as De Vrij would do wonders for our back-line, without breaking the bank. Freeing up that big wad of cash for other areas.

Aphex · Jun 28, 2022

SpartanSpur said:
It's a very smart system. They need to stop other german clubs from being able to activate the clauses though!

It is, and also for them at the same time whilst they have a team full of talented youngster mixed in with a couple of decent older heads they can still compete at the top end of the table and maybe one day bag a trophy.

worcestersauce · Jun 28, 2022

SpartanSpur said:
If the release clause is £43m then they have to accept £43m. It genuinely is a 'buy it now' price as per eBay terms.

Look at the Upamecano deal to Bayern.

Yes they have to accept but they don't have to accept the first one, if they did I'd say offer it now so nobody else can bid, he's ours next season and we can all relax or if you can't bid until the next summer window opens we should sit with our finger over the send button and at one second past midnight press it and hey presto he's our's.
So they can accept any offer of £43m in which case they may take the one who offers a bigger lump sum up front.
Alternatively they may accept the one who adds a couple of million on top there's no rule to say they can't as long as the offer meets the set level.
What they can't do is say no we're not selling him.
The obvious unknown factor is the player's preference but if he's happy to go to either club there's no problem.

worcestersauce · Jun 28, 2022

SpartanSpur said:
If the release clause is £43m then they have to accept £43m. It genuinely is a 'buy it now' price as per eBay terms.

Look at the Upamecano deal to Bayern.

If the player refuses to go elsewhere the final destination may well be the £43m offer. Did anyone offer more for Upamecano and if so did he choose Bayern anyway?

SpartanSpur · Jun 28, 2022

worcestersauce said:
Yes they have to accept but they don't have to accept the first one, if they did I'd say offer it now so nobody else can bid, he's ours next season and we can all relax or if you can't bid until the next summer window opens we should sit with our finger over the send button and at one second past midnight press it and hey presto he's our's.
So they can accept any offer of £43m in which case they may take the one who offers a bigger lump sum up front.
Alternatively they may accept the one who adds a couple of million on top there's no rule to say they can't as long as the offer meets the set level.
What they can't do is say no we're not selling him.
The obvious unknown factor is the player's preference but if he's happy to go to either club there's no problem.

The reality is that every club in europe will be aware of the price. The players agent will agree terms with the players preferred club and that club will go to RBL and pay the fee. It'll all be done player side which is probably how RBL likes it.

worcestersauce said:
If the player refuses to go elsewhere the final destination may well be the £43m offer. Did anyone offer more for Upamecano and if so did he choose Bayern anyway?

Anyone who offered more than needed would be a total moron. This is surreal.

If you want to try and sway the deal your way you'd be better off putting any extra money into wages/agent fees!

Trix · Jun 28, 2022

worcestersauce said:
Yes they have to accept but they don't have to accept the first one, if they did I'd say offer it now so nobody else can bid, he's ours next season and we can all relax or if you can't bid until the next summer window opens we should sit with our finger over the send button and at one second past midnight press it and hey presto he's our's.
So they can accept any offer of £43m in which case they may take the one who offers a bigger lump sum up front.
Alternatively they may accept the one who adds a couple of million on top there's no rule to say they can't as long as the offer meets the set level.
What they can't do is say no we're not selling him.
The obvious unknown factor is the player's preference but if he's happy to go to either club there's no problem.

You really don't get it do you?

They have to accept ALL bids that meet the release clause, they don't have a choice. The player then decides which offer he wants to accept if any. What clubs are doing now is making it so the clause doesn't come into effect until a certain date usually the following season, so buying clubs can't activate the clause until then.

GetKaned · Jun 28, 2022

worcestersauce said:
Yes they have to accept but they don't have to accept the first one, if they did I'd say offer it now so nobody else can bid, he's ours next season and we can all relax or if you can't bid until the next summer window opens we should sit with our finger over the send button and at one second past midnight press it and hey presto he's our's.
So they can accept any offer of £43m in which case they may take the one who offers a bigger lump sum up front.
Alternatively they may accept the one who adds a couple of million on top there's no rule to say they can't as long as the offer meets the set level.
What they can't do is say no we're not selling him.
The obvious unknown factor is the player's preference but if he's happy to go to either club there's no problem.

Also release clause is in principle what the player needs to pay the club to get released of his contract. The purchasing club pays this amount on behalf of the player. It doesn't stop many clubs to pay the same release clause amount together but parent club has to accept one within a pre-agreed time. It just avoids negotiations between the clubs and allows the player to speak directly with the potential purchaser.

WorthATry · Jun 28, 2022

worcestersauce said:
If the player refuses to go elsewhere the final destination may well be the £43m offer. Did anyone offer more for Upamecano and if so did he choose Bayern anyway?

Why on earth would anyone offer more than his release clause?!

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