Jose Mourinho

BringBack_leGin · Oct 19, 2020

Trix said:
I can't see why people are criticising the subs. At 3-0 those players that come on are more than experienced enough, and of sufficient quality to see out the last 20 minutes. Our players need to rest when we can afford it, and yesterday was definitely a point where that should have been possible.

Bale is slightly different because he needs match minutes, but Winks and Lucas were starters for us until a few weeks ago. Playing in exactly the same roles they came into yesterday.

We can part sone of the blame to Jose as far as the mentality is concerned, but as far as the subs? I'm not sure I'd have done too much differently. Considering the stage of the game and what the score line was.

A lot of people bemoaning the subs and tactics with their hindsight goggles on imo.

I think that’s fair, and yes we should have been able to see out those final minutes given the commanding lead even if we’d brought on White, Clarke and Bennet. I’m not saying I think Son coming off caused the issue, and I might be guilty of some hindsight goggles as you put it, but I did genuinely think it was odd to hook Son at the time as he was providing our best outlet at that point, I thought that before we conceded three goals.

Ultimately there’s no excuse for the players to have been leading the match for 92 minutes, and by 3 goals for 66 of those minutes, but not win.

dbspurs · Oct 19, 2020

Even if Jose had brought me on as one of the subs we should still have seen that game out

Individual errors combined with a worldy cost us 2 points not the subs.

Unfortunately the errors came from players we know are not good enough. Nothing uncharacteristic about those mistakes from those players.

Deleted member 29446 · Oct 19, 2020

People blaming the subs or Aurier are wrong. Subs were fine and there was no free kick by Aurier.

What the problem really is was mentality-wise, individual brainfarts and poor management trying to defend a lead instead of controlling it. It all sounds very familiar - it’s very much Spurs (y)

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Was such a bad 2nd half. For me it’s down to very bad coaching and/or players not responding to it.

You don’t throw away a 3-0 lead to West Ham - ever. And no it’s not a fluke or whatever. End of discussion really.

Dougal · Oct 19, 2020

Gb160 said:
Its been a fantastic window, but I cant help feeling we'll come up short again with our CBs.

There's only so much a manager can do do. We remind me of Liverpool pre VVD, in the end Klopp admitted defeat and broke the bank on the worlds most expensive defender. That one piece of the puzzle that transformed them from a shaky team who always looked like conceding, to European the PL champions.

If Liverpool has picked up VVD from Celtic for £13m it would have been an astute signing. Instead Southampton bought the same player and made a profit. Sometimes it’s not about the price, just the timing. I think our timing has been great this window. Time will tell.

Wsussexspur · Oct 19, 2020

Trix said:
That's the problem with Aurier and Sissokko for me. They have strengths but they are so clumsy in the tackle. Fortunately we bought players in so we don't see them quite so much this season.

Certainly I think the was the main down point of the transfer window for me the failure to move theses two on. Fully appreciate that it’s not that easy to just sell players especially in this market. Also the fact that certainly from the outside it appears that Sissoko wasn’t for sale.

Both are obviously big characters in the changing room but personally again from the outside looking in neither have the required mentality of winners both are more than capable of switching off during games especially in games like yesterday when it appears the game should be over at 3-0 and coasting through to the final whistle. Which in turn produced the two main turning points of the game. Sissoko giving away a silly free kick and then badly defending the resulting free kick which produced the first goal. Aurier giving the West Ham player the opportunity to win the free kick which led to the equaliser.

Jose really needs to transition both of them out of the team from being regular starters ASAP.

matthew.absurdum · Oct 19, 2020

spids said:
The free kick against Aurier was a joke. As was the free kick against Hojbjerg in the Newcastle game. But teams know we cannot defend set pieces under any kind of pressure. Jose needs the whole team defending set pieces all week, every week until they stop being so pathetic.

I think this is a worry. They know EPL referees are all jokes and try to make use of them (and also our weakness in defending set pieces).

Shadydan · Oct 19, 2020

Jose will fix us defensively, he won't forget about this - whether it's through individuals, tactics or mentally. He was pissed when we battered his Chelsea side 5-3 in 2014 when they were running through teams, he fixed them and they became stubborn and shipped less goals as a result.

E17yid · Oct 19, 2020

I should be a lot more pissed off then I am but I’m pretty chill tbh. Putting it down to a freak. Still think we’ve got a great chance of top 4 which I didn’t at the start of the season. Early days boys and girls.

JCRD · Oct 19, 2020

Shadydan said:
Jose will fix us defensively, he won't forget about this - whether it's through individuals, tactics or mentally. He was pissed when we battered his Chelsea side 5-3 in 2014 when they were running through teams, he fixed them and they became stubborn and shipped less goals as a result.

The only issue we have is I dont think our defensive players are all that great although big fan of Dier... Toby appears to have completely lost it, Sanchez is meh, Rodon and Tanganga are the future but really not seen Rodon much and Tanganga hasnt started many games

What this may force Jose to do is be even more cautious and as a result impact on our attack... its clearly a balance between defence and attack which we need to improve on but it is not like we go gung ho anyways.

Still annoyed at the result... and imagine the players are royally pissed off as well as Jose

BringBack_leGin · Oct 19, 2020

Shadydan said:
Jose will fix us defensively, he won't forget about this - whether it's through individuals, tactics or mentally. He was pissed when we battered his Chelsea side 5-3 in 2014 when they were running through teams, he fixed them and they became stubborn and shipped less goals as a result.

What relaxes me about this is that our issue is defensively, not offensively, which is the simpler problem to fix. Far harder to sort out a misfiring attack than to organise a leaky defence.

Tucker · Oct 19, 2020

E17yid said:
I should be a lot more pissed off then I am but I’m pretty chill tbh. Putting it down to a freak. Still think we’ve got a great chance of top 4 which I didn’t at the start of the season. Early days boys and girls.

I was fuming when that goal went in last night, but this morning all I can think about is just how good Son and Kane are playing, they’ll score bag fulls this season, and once Bale is up to speed it’s going to be even more dangerous. We will outscore most teams.

Seafordian Spurs · Oct 19, 2020

Trix said:
You have to wonder why we've just bought a mountain of a CB who is renowned for his heading ability in the box. Perhaps Jose see's the issue as well?

You think he's going to get a lot of game time then?

Styopa · Oct 19, 2020

To echo some of the points above, whilst we have had some problems seeing out matches we look like we creating and scoring bucket-loads of goals this season. This is a nicer, and I think more straightforward issue to resolve than the reverse of being very defensively organised but hardly looking like scoring. It also seems like a problem which our current head coach is especially well equipped to deal with given his experience and skillset.

Japhet · Oct 19, 2020

Wsussexspur said:
Certainly I think the was the main down point of the transfer window for me the failure to move theses two on. Fully appreciate that it’s not that easy to just sell players especially in this market. Also the fact that certainly from the outside it appears that Sissoko wasn’t for sale.

Both are obviously big characters in the changing room but personally again from the outside looking in neither have the required mentality of winners both are more than capable of switching off during games especially in games like yesterday when it appears the game should be over at 3-0 and coasting through to the final whistle. Which in turn produced the two main turning points of the game. Sissoko giving away a silly free kick and then badly defending the resulting free kick which produced the first goal. Aurier giving the West Ham player the opportunity to win the free kick which led to the equaliser.

Jose really needs to transition both of them out of the team from being regular starters ASAP.

I don't think they are regular starters. Sissoko is in because LoCelso is injured and Aurier is a rotation option with Doherty.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Oct 19, 2020

Our biggest issue for me wasn’t just the subs or individual mistakes etc. It was the team mentality throughout the second half.

We coasted through the second half and assumed we had the game won. Instead of keeping the ball and killing the game with clever spells of possession, we dropped deeper and deeper and started lumping it forward, not taking care of the ball. We invited them on to us more and more, despite the fact their biggest threat was set pieces and aerial balls.

Our game management and mentality is quite frankly shit. All we had to do was keep the ball, slow the tempo down, kill the game and then if a really big chance opened up take it. Instead I lost count of the amount of times we forced the ball forward and gave it away, when we had lots of short passing options.

This is something Mourinho has to fix asap if we want to be successful.

ILS · Oct 19, 2020

mil1lion said:
I can't believe people are actually talking about the title already (either having a chance or having no chance). It's far too early to have any indication of that. I don't typically look at the table for the first few months because it doesn't really show a lot. This season is already shaping up to be a very different one than previous seasons. Goals are flying in all over the place. I'm not sure if it's just the defending is worse now or because there's so many quality attacking players now who are winning the battle.

We've conceded 3 today but we're not by any means the only ones conceding soft goals. This is also the first time we've conceded 3 goals since Sheffield Utd away. We need to learn from it and move forward. We're still unbeaten since the first game so need to keep the spirits high. I'm starting to at least see the vision of Jose now and when Bale is up to speed that front 3 with Ndombele behind is going to be lethal.

For me look at the table after 12 games and see where we are at. We would have played Utd, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal by then and if we are 5 points off the top then maybe we can start changing our mindset. Otherwise for me we should focus on top four and winning a trophy in one of the cups.

Stay calm and realistic would be my message. There will be enough crap spouting Aston Villa and Everton title challenge over the next couple of weeks and hopefully we can stay under the radar.

shelfboy68 · Oct 19, 2020

Gb160 said:
Its been a fantastic window, but I cant help feeling we'll come up short again with our CBs.

There's only so much a manager can do do. We remind me of Liverpool pre VVD, in the end Klopp admitted defeat and broke the bank on the worlds most expensive defender. That one piece of the puzzle that transformed them from a shaky team who always looked like conceding, to European then PL champions.

From that perspective real shame skriniar didn't come in which I think Jose realises was needed.

fishhhandaricecake · Oct 19, 2020

pablo73 said:
We have massively improved our squad but we still have some glaring weaknesses, namely at centre back and centre midfield.

I'm not going to call out any particular players as we all know who they are but it's especially frustrating as you get the impression that this season could be wide open.

Would be hard to take if we see a repeat of the Leicester title winning season when we once again look back at what could have been.

On a positive note, if we add at least one top quality centre back and one or two quality central midfielders we will take some stopping.

Yea agree

shelfboy68 said:
From that perspective real shame skriniar didn't come in which I think Jose realises was needed.

Agree, I wonder how far off Roden will be from the level we need, looks a real talent.

For the love of Spurs · Oct 19, 2020

Shadydan said:
Jose will fix us defensively, he won't forget about this - whether it's through individuals, tactics or mentally. He was pissed when we battered his Chelsea side 5-3 in 2014 when they were running through teams, he fixed them and they became stubborn and shipped less goals as a result.

I assume though that will mean some players being shipped out in Jan, can’t imagine he will have time for certain players if this repeats.

Kiedis · Oct 19, 2020

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
Our biggest issue for wasn’t just the subs or individual mistakes etc. It was the team mentality throughout the second half.

We coasted through the second half and assumed we had the game won. Instead of keeping the ball and killing the game with clever spells of possession, we dropped deeper and deeper and started lumping it forward, not taking care of the ball. We invited them on to us more and more, despite the fact their biggest threat was set pieces and aerial balls.

Our game management and mentality is quite frankly shit. All we had to do was keep the ball, slow the tempo down, kill the game and then if a really big chance opened up take it. Instead I lost count of the amount of times we forced the ball forward and gave it away, when we had lots of short passing options.

This is something Mourinho has to fix asap if we want to be successful.

Wholeheartedly agree. It was a problem vs. Newcastle as well. We started doing the whole "work the ball down the touchline trying to win throw ins" routine at from about 80 minutes. It's all well and nice when in the dying minutes, but it signals to the entire team that we're basically done with playing football, and stops players thinking about passing the game to death.
Inviting transition-football in the way we did for the entire second half yesterday is just dumb.

Normally we'll see that game out, but this is the third time in later years we've gone 3-0 up against West Ham.
Two times, we've ended up hanging on for deal life to win 3-2, and this time it ended up finally biting us in the ass. We should know that they'll never let up, because they've had very recent experience that we'll allow them back in if they stick to their guns. And all credit to them for it.

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