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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Everlasting Seconds

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Jan 9, 2014
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We must learn to break up the time spent sitting back and fending off attacks with sudden switch-on periods where all effort is spent playing constructive footie. Every 8-12 minutes or so of sitting back should be countered by change of tempo and attacks. 1) to score more and 2) to unsettle the opponent.

It was not Aurier's fucking fault.
 

Dougal

Staff
Jun 4, 2004
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No, I wouldn't. At 3-0 we didn't need more goals, we needed not to concede. And as was very clear to see (and not surprising), he looked off the pace.
It should have been easier to score one than concede three really.
 

Saoirse

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Aug 20, 2013
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And of first, and of second, and of third.
Very few teams win the league from 5 points behind having dropped 7 points in home games against mid-table and relegation sides already. Even to get to 90, much lower than recently needed, we now need 2.5 points per game i.e. go invincible while only drawing one game every 4. I can only see it happening as a fluke if Liverpool and City go to total crap. You can't win a marathon in the first few miles, but you can sure lose one.
 

JayB

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Aug 24, 2011
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And of first, and of second, and of third.
First is a massive stretch. We cannot see out a game to save our lives. The defenders are as full of mistakes as they've ever been and unless Rodon comes in and hits the ground running I don't see it changing until January at the earliest. Champions see out one-goal victories and we are utterly allergic to that at the moment.

I do think we're well in the race for top four, however, and we have the firepower and midfield quality to win cup competitions. It's just a case of whether Jose will instill the discipline in the team to see out matches before we get to the latter stages of the cups. I really thought this was our season but unless something changes very, very, very drastically with the defenders I think we're in for disappointment in the most important matches yet again.
 

GioW

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Aug 22, 2011
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Just no. Always the excuses. I don't care if Liverpool lost with 45-0 against Man Citys ladies team. This should not happen, especially against an inferior team like West Ham.

I see a pattern. First against Newcastle and now this. We stop playing and invite our opponents to put pressure against us.

This 100 %⬆ and I'm completely behind Jose.

It wasn't just the goals. My missus asked me in the 60th minute why I was so angry at 3-0 up but I didn't like the way we started the 2nd half. Not one bit. I appreciate Jose is happy to surrender possession but surely not in front of our own box. They were getting into dangerous positions far, far to easily for my liking.
 

Wadec

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May 14, 2014
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Going to get pelters for this, but oh well.

Long term I think drawing the game was better than if we had held on to 3-2 and kept up the 'we score more than you'style we seem to be in at the moment. Jose previously at 3 nil up would have taken forwards off for midfielders and defenders and killed the game that way. This has served him well previously and is the reason he has won so much in his career.

After the Newcastle game we have really put teams to the sword so we don't get stung again with a one goal lead, but the issues at back have always been there (United and Maccabi). Today we saw even a 3 goal lead does not guarantee you a victory with some of our current players.

I think the attacking football is brilliant but we need Jose to balance it with his winning nous. I don't think any side is going to go the season keeping huge amounts of clean sheets and think this season is really open. I don't see Jose trusting the lads to see it out on their own again if we are winning 3 nil expect him to bulk up defence and midfield and take the sting out of games.

The result today hurts, but long term may be a lot better for us.
 

Tucker

Shitehawk
Jul 15, 2013
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Very few teams win the league from 5 points behind having dropped 7 points in home games against mid-table and relegation sides already.

Hold on a minute. The team we are five points behind is Everton, they can’t be top of the league and a mid table side. City are 6 points behind them, are they out of the title race too?
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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It’s not a fluke. We went 3-0 up against them last season and the same very nearly happened. The players visibly crumbled after their first went in. It’s 100% a mentality issue. It’s also unfortunate that we’d already used our subs by the time that first went in. My main criticism of Jose today is using that third sub to bring on an attacker.

And no surprise the last two goals were as the result of set pieces ( even though the equaliser was not direct from the free kick itself).

West Ham are a huge team, very dangerous from set pieces, yet we kept giving away free kicks. That’s not a fluke or a surprise. It’s something we should be aware of.
 

Jamturk

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Aug 13, 2008
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In his post match press conference he highlighted twice how we have only conceded 1 goal from open play. All the goals have come from either penalties or Lateral free kicks.

This for me shows there is a real lack of composure within our back 4. We are trying to put in tackles instead of standing upright resulting in numerous free kicks.

Ledley was a master of winning the ball without having to do this.
 

Saoirse

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Aug 20, 2013
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Hold on a minute. The team we are five points behind is Everton, they can’t be top of the league and a mid table side. City are 6 points behind them, are they out of the title race too?
The game in hand rather helps! It's not just the results, it's the fixtures. We've not dropped points to Liverpool or even to Leicester, we've dropped them to West Ham and Newcastle at home. Whoever wins the league will very likely win those games. We need no more such slip ups which isn't likely.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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Jan 5, 2013
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In his post match press conference he highlighted twice how we have only conceded 1 goal from open play. All the goals have come from either penalties or Lateral free kicks.

This for me shows there is a real lack of composure within our back 4. We are trying to put in tackles instead of standing upright resulting in numerous free kicks.

Ledley was a master of winning the ball without having to do this.
I think that’s not just an issue for us. It’s a league thing and a sign of where we are with modern football. If an attacking player has his back to goal and no pass ahead of him, he’s going to the floor and 9 times out of 10, the referee gives a free kick. It’s soft.

Granted, we need to adjust. Personally I’d throw Rodon straight in. He’s 6 ft 4 and everything I’ve read about him suggests he loves an aerial duel.
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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In his post match press conference he highlighted twice how we have only conceded 1 goal from open play. All the goals have come from either penalties or Lateral free kicks.

This for me shows there is a real lack of composure within our back 4. We are trying to put in tackles instead of standing upright resulting in numerous free kicks.

Ledley was a master of winning the ball without having to do this.

Not just from the back four. Sissoko also has the habit of doing it.

It’s a definite problem and has been for some time, but we also obviously have a big problem defending the resulting set pieces. That has also been going on for a while. I’ve said in other threads before that even during Poch’s time when we had a great defence with Toby/Jan in their prime our one weakness was in the air and a CB that can dominate our box was a big need for the squad.
 

TheVoiceofReason

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Feb 5, 2005
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Funnily enough Jose is trying hard to be fair and nicey nicey with the players. Bringing on Moura (and even Winks) at the end smacked of man management rather than game management. Very un Jose.
 

Jamturk

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Aug 13, 2008
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Funnily enough Jose is trying hard to be fair and nicey nicey with the players. Bringing on Moura (and even Winks) at the end smacked of man management rather than game management. Very un Jose.

I agree, he has gone on record to say our squad is too big and is a problem.

This is how it can manifest.
 

Tucker

Shitehawk
Jul 15, 2013
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Funnily enough Jose is trying hard to be fair and nicey nicey with the players. Bringing on Moura (and even Winks) at the end smacked of man management rather than game management. Very un Jose.

From a central midfield point of view there was nobody else to call on. Moura came on because of his pace it really is as simple as that.
 

mil1lion

This is the place to be
May 7, 2004
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I can't believe people are actually talking about the title already (either having a chance or having no chance). It's far too early to have any indication of that. I don't typically look at the table for the first few months because it doesn't really show a lot. This season is already shaping up to be a very different one than previous seasons. Goals are flying in all over the place. I'm not sure if it's just the defending is worse now or because there's so many quality attacking players now who are winning the battle.

We've conceded 3 today but we're not by any means the only ones conceding soft goals. This is also the first time we've conceded 3 goals since Sheffield Utd away. We need to learn from it and move forward. We're still unbeaten since the first game so need to keep the spirits high. I'm starting to at least see the vision of Jose now and when Bale is up to speed that front 3 with Ndombele behind is going to be lethal.
 
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