Jose Mourinho

buckley said:

I read that Angus Kinnear the leeds exec has had a pop about Jose saying " Bielsa would never let a documentary be all about him but about the club " I an paraphrasing the man and he said that the spurs amazon documentary was mainly focused on Jose .
Whilst this is most likely correct as I have not seen the programme . But from what I have read the statement is true . But seeing as I had never heard of Kinnear I googled him and he was working for West Ham before Leeds and it seems whilst he may be correct about Jose and Bielsa . Bing in the background is not for Mr Kinnear as there is a multitude of videos with him fronting them pontificating on all things Leeds .
I think mr Kinnear should remember the phrase pot kettle and black and then keep his gob shut .

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What Mr Kinnear's four sputtering, flickering braincells seem unable to grasp is that Mourinho doesn't edit documentaries for a living, nor is he employed by Amazon, or anyone else, as a film editor. Obviously, when one has the intellectual capacity of a squashed iguana it's very easy to make statements such as those by Mr Kinnear. Thankfully most of the known universe have slightly higher IQs

Havre said:

Emotional in a good way after the game.

He is clearly extremely proud.

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Had the same thoughts, he's getting some momentum going and he knows it. Hopefully we can keep it going now.

fishhhandaricecake said:

Took a while for most of us to realise and accept it hey but he’s building a squad of warriors and winners and slowly changing the mentality, he’s weeding out the ones who don’t have the right attitude or who after he’s given them the chance still aren’t putting in the required effort then they’re out (Rose, Dele, Ndombele etc) Rose is a bad influence and is out, Dele has been given chances but could be off as he’s not responding or the level Jose wants and Ndombele showed that if you do buck your ideas up then Jose will happily play you if you give 110%, sure it won’t be for everyone but that ruthlessness is fergiesque and it’s what we’ve missed as a club basically forever or at least since Bill Nic. And the football we play is even fine generally under Jose now so just all so positive.

COYS! Absoloutley buzzing tonight.

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It's funny you mention Bill Nic. I've heard the story is apocryphal, but it's the one where Cliff Jones (I think) knocked on Bill's door and said 'I need a pay rise because I think I'm the best winger in the world,' (or words to that effect). Bill said, 'I don't. Fuck off'. But, at the same time, Nicholson looked after his men, and they would have laid their lives on the line for him on the pitch.

As I say, I think the story is apocryphal, but that attitude - the iron fist in the velvet glove - is similar to Mourinho's. He's demanding, but he's also on your side if you show him that you're on his. And that can forge a very special relationship between player and coach.

Just watched that Playbook thing. He speaks so well. Very intelligent. We're going to win something this season.

I’ll sing his name

richard_gleeson said:

After watching tonight I'm convinced that a power forward like Vinicius is what we need

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Yeah I agree. As much as it'd have been nice to have a potential next superstar, I think we just need more presence. The movement and link up was good but you could see that not being able to look for someone in the penalty area was making us over pass a move or the move would lose effect as it entered the penalty area.

If Kane was on at HT, I have a feeling we'd not have needed penalties.

In some ways, this game reminded me of the Arsenal league game in Poch's first season. Cagey and not doing too well in the first half, up against it. Then the second half we had no fear and really got aggressive.

Wizzy77 said:

I said this countless times.. we lacked a winning mentality for decades and Jose brings exactly that.

Let's be patient. This project could take time. But it will be worth it..

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Yep, we've missed this on and off the pitch, our managers have never had that ruthless toughness, our players the same we've never had leaders and we've been too soft as a whole club for far far too long.

Poch transformed us brilliantly to be competitive at the top but he missed in my opinion that winning experience and know-how to stay calm in the big moments, manage the squad well and tactical changes to get us over the line, but I think Jose is now coming in and is as he said in the Amazon Documentary, focusing on bringing us a winning mentality.

The signings he's brought in will no doubt about it be making a big difference on and off the pitch as so many of them are leaders and big time players, he's bringing the players together as a group and that is what is needed to win things, its so so hard these days to win trophies unless you're Man.City, Chelsea or Liverpool and in the FA Cup Arsenal but tonight's performance with that B team and no striker is really so so impressive.

If we top this window off with a CB and ST I think Jose will have 22 players he can rely on o get us to go far on all 4 fronts.

Also he is on fire in the media at the moment putting the pressure on Chelsea before tonight's match and again just now saying if we can survive to get through Thursday then we face one of the favourites for this years title in Man.Utd haha such a troll and Media king, never change Jose.

COYS.

rossdapep said:

Yeah I agree. As much as it'd have been nice to have a potential next superstar, I think we just need more presence. The movement and link up was good but you could see that not being able to look for someone in the penalty area was making us over pass a move or the move would lose effect as it entered the penalty area.

If Kane was on at HT, I have a feeling we'd not have needed penalties.

In some ways, this game reminded me of the Arsenal league game in Poch's first season. Cagey and not doing too well in the first half, up against it. Then the second half we had no fear and really got aggressive.

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If we got a striker of CV's quality and bale and son back fit i'm actually a bit scared about how good we could be, like it could genuinely be scary good.

rez9000 said:

It's funny you mention Bill Nic. I've heard the story is apocryphal, but it's the one where Cliff Jones (I think) knocked on Bill's door and said 'I need a pay rise because I think I'm the best winger in the world,' (or words to that effect). Bill said, 'I don't. Fuck off'. But, at the same time, Nicholson looked after his men, and they would have laid their lives on the line for him on the pitch.

As I say, I think the story is apocryphal, but that attitude - the iron fist in the velvet glove - is similar to Mourinho's. He's demanding, but he's also on your side if you show him that you're on his. And that can forge a very special relationship between player and coach.

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Yep exactly why I mentioned Bill Nic mate, i've also heard that story and the way he behaved with the players and to the media or in quick interviews as they had back then very similar to as you say that iron fist velvet glove, that combined with how successful we were and how well we played gave us so so much respect and aura, it will never be like that again as the game has changed and we were the first team post-war to win the double so were massively respected for that but now with the stadium and training ground and bale and kane and jose, we are as much of a celebrity football club as any in the PL right now and if we can get that trophy at this point we will go from strength to strength.

Some more quotes from Bill Nic below which have that similar mentality to the Jose's, Klopp's, Fergies etc:
“Any player coming to Spurs whether he’s a big signing or just a ground staff boy must be dedicated to the game and to the club. He must be prepared to work at his game. He must never be satisfied with his last performance, and he must hate losing.”

“There’s no use being satisfied when things are done wrongly. I want perfection.”

“If you don’t have to drag yourself off the field exhausted after 90 minutes, you can’t claim to have done your best.”

fishhhandaricecake said:

Yep exactly why I mentioned Bill Nic mate, i've also heard that story and the way he behaved with the players and to the media or in quick interviews as they had back then very similar to as you say that iron fist velvet glove, that combined with how successful we were and how well we played gave us so so much respect and aura, it will never be like that again as the game has changed and we were the first team post-war to win the double so were massively respected for that but now with the stadium and training ground and bale and kane and jose, we are as much of a celebrity football club as any in the PL right now and if we can get that trophy at this point we will go from strength to strength.

Some more quotes from Bill Nic below which have that similar mentality to the Jose's, Klopp's, Fergies etc:
“Any player coming to Spurs whether he’s a big signing or just a ground staff boy must be dedicated to the game and to the club. He must be prepared to work at his game. He must never be satisfied with his last performance, and he must hate losing.”

“There’s no use being satisfied when things are done wrongly. I want perfection.”

“If you don’t have to drag yourself off the field exhausted after 90 minutes, you can’t claim to have done your best.”

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Spot on. Right now we're on the cusp - we'e ready to go, but need that first impetus. Like sparking an engine. It needs that first crank to get it going. We've built the engine, now we need that first crank and I think we can become one of the giants of the game again.

rez9000 said:

Spot on. Right now we're on the cusp - we'e ready to go, but need that first impetus. Like sparking an engine. It needs that first crank to get it going. We've built the engine, now we need that first crank and I think we can become one of the giants of the game again.

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Couldn't have put it any better.

olliec said:

We are Probably the last big club he will
manage in the PL so I can see him sticking with us for quite a while if he gets the backing from Levy and co, I’m super excited for our future if he decides he wants to stay for the long term.

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It's probably more viable for him to stick around here beyond his normal 2-3 years than any of his previous clubs. Far from guaranteed, but more viable.

Porto - Achieved everything he could, then moved on to a bigger league & club.
Chelsea - Multiple professional disagreements with Abramovich in 2007 (e.g. new Director of Football & player signings that he disagreed with), creating and untenable situation well before results suffered.
Inter - Achieved everything he could, then moved on to a bigger league & club.
Real - Weird politics, impatient fans, crazy media scrutiny etc / clashed with big name players and had no power/backing to resolve the situation. Numerous managers have been sacked / lost backing of the board immediately after a successful trophy winning season, simply because the president changed.
Man Utd - Unrealistic expectations and recruitment is a mess since Gill left.

He's won titles in four countries, with five different teams, and has managed more "big" clubs than most successful managers. I'm not sure what would tempt him away at this point. Perhaps Bayern or Dortmund would interest him in the future, but perhaps there's a reason he hasn't managed in the Bundesliga yet. He has made it clear that international management doesn't interest him (maybe when he's ready to retire).

With us, challenging for (and occasionally winning) trophies is going to be enough - at least for the short to medium term. At his past clubs, 2nd in the league was considered a disaster, even if it was in reality an overachievement.

With Levy, although Mourinho might not always get what he wants, he should at least know where he stands. Levy won't blow the transfer budget on players he knows the manager doesn't want and then expect a happy manager and a league title off the back of it.

For me, the biggest risk for him leaving would be if our progression stalls and the board chooses to settle for top 4 instead of backing his ambition for titles. We'll never spend like the "big" clubs, but we can't finish 3rd/2nd/3rd and then go 18 months without signing a single player. Jose would need to feel like it is possible for him to keep improving the team.

Neon_Knight_ said:

It's probably more viable for him to stick around here beyond his normal 2-3 years than any of his previous clubs. Far from guaranteed, but more viable.

Porto - Achieved everything he could, then moved on to a bigger league & club.
Chelsea - Multiple professional disagreements with Abramovich in 2007 (e.g. new Director of Football & player signings that he disagreed with), creating and untenable situation well before results suffered.
Inter - Achieved everything he could, then moved on to a bigger league & club.
Real - Weird politics, impatient fans, crazy media scrutiny etc / clashed with big name players and had no power/backing to resolve the situation. Numerous managers have been sacked / lost backing of the board immediately after a successful trophy winning season, simply because the president changed.
Man Utd - Unrealistic expectations and recruitment is a mess since Gill left.

He's won titles in four countries, with five different teams, and has managed more "big" clubs than most successful managers. I'm not sure what would tempt him away at this point. Perhaps Bayern or Dortmund would interest him in the future, but perhaps there's a reason he hasn't managed in the Bundesliga yet. He has made it clear that international management doesn't interest him (maybe when he's ready to retire).

With us, challenging for (and occasionally winning) trophies is going to be enough - at least for the short to medium term. At his past clubs, 2nd in the league was considered a disaster, even if it was in reality an overachievement.

With Levy, although Mourinho might not always get what he wants, he should at least know where he stands. Levy won't blow the transfer budget on players he knows the manager doesn't want and then expect a happy manager and a league title off the back of it.

For me, the biggest risk for him leaving would be if our progression stalls and the board chooses to settle for top 4 instead of backing his ambition for titles. We'll never spend like the "big" clubs, but we can't finish 3rd/2nd/3rd and then go 18 months without signing a single player. Jose would need to feel like it is possible for him to keep improving the team.

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Absolutely agree with every single point here!

Great analysis of his tenures at previous clubs and based on his age now and the ‘challenge’ with Tottenham and the fact it’s close enough to his home and family etc etc I do think this could well be his last ‘big’ club job and if he does win us a trophy soon and keeps getting backed sensibly and well like this summer where he has full reign over the ins and outs of the squad then I think he will be more than happy here and could indeed stay a little longer than his contract is for to really prove himself.

He likes living in London and Prem is his favourite league, like you say Perhaps The bayern job could tempt him but his big rivsl
Pep has had that job and bayern are a top top club so winning something with them wouldn’t really prove anything apart from winning a title in the other big league but would he aged approx 60 really want to learn yet another language and move to another country, I agree with you I think if there is ever a club and time where he could be tempted to stay and build more of a mini dynasty and legacy it could be with us and now mabye stay for say 2 years beyond his contract if all is going well and then he can sail off into the sun and do some managing of a national team at a euros and WC.

What would be amazing would be if he can win us the carabao cup this season as it’s a trophy so early on, it would get the monkey off our back, it would take the pressure off the rest of the season and whatever happened from then on he could regard his time with us as a success but more importantly he could then look to really try and build on that for the remainder of this season and next seasons to come.

Anyway whatever way it plays out it’s very exciting with all the new players we’ve signed and the direction Jose is taking us.

Seems we really have quite a few strong characters now:
Lloris - captain
Hart - experienced winner
Dier - Jose’s Portuguese John Terry , apart from he runs off the pitch occasionally rather than shagHong other people’s missus
Regullion?? - he’s a winner if nothing else
PEH - leader, captain material
GLC. - warrior
Bale - serial winner
Lamela - warrior
Kane - vice captain, true pro, leader

COYS.

I was excited by the performance in the Newcastle game, I am more excited if he can inspire our second string as well like today.

This could be growing into something very special this season.

Neon_Knight_ said:

It's probably more viable for him to stick around here beyond his normal 2-3 years than any of his previous clubs. Far from guaranteed, but more viable.

Porto - Achieved everything he could, then moved on to a bigger league & club.
Chelsea - Multiple professional disagreements with Abramovich in 2007 (e.g. new Director of Football & player signings that he disagreed with), creating and untenable situation well before results suffered.
Inter - Achieved everything he could, then moved on to a bigger league & club.
Real - Weird politics, impatient fans, crazy media scrutiny etc / clashed with big name players and had no power/backing to resolve the situation. Numerous managers have been sacked / lost backing of the board immediately after a successful trophy winning season, simply because the president changed.
Man Utd - Unrealistic expectations and recruitment is a mess since Gill left.

He's won titles in four countries, with five different teams, and has managed more "big" clubs than most successful managers. I'm not sure what would tempt him away at this point. Perhaps Bayern or Dortmund would interest him in the future, but perhaps there's a reason he hasn't managed in the Bundesliga yet. He has made it clear that international management doesn't interest him (maybe when he's ready to retire).

With us, challenging for (and occasionally winning) trophies is going to be enough - at least for the short to medium term. At his past clubs, 2nd in the league was considered a disaster, even if it was in reality an overachievement.

With Levy, although Mourinho might not always get what he wants, he should at least know where he stands. Levy won't blow the transfer budget on players he knows the manager doesn't want and then expect a happy manager and a league title off the back of it.

For me, the biggest risk for him leaving would be if our progression stalls and the board chooses to settle for top 4 instead of backing his ambition for titles. We'll never spend like the "big" clubs, but we can't finish 3rd/2nd/3rd and then go 18 months without signing a single player. Jose would need to feel like it is possible for him to keep improving the team.

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One more point - I think he wants to stay in London. He stayed in a hotel in Manchester! At least in London, he'll be able to sleep in his house.

fishhhandaricecake said:

Absolutely agree with every single point here!

Great analysis of his tenures at previous clubs and based on his age now and the ‘challenge’ with Tottenham and the fact it’s close enough to his home and family etc etc I do think this could well be his last ‘big’ club job and if he does win us a trophy soon and keeps getting backed sensibly and well like this summer where he has full reign over the ins and outs of the squad then I think he will be more than happy here and could indeed stay a little longer than his contract is for to really prove himself.

He likes living in London and Prem is his favourite league, like you say Perhaps The bayern job could tempt him but his big rivsl
Pep has had that job and bayern are a top top club so winning something with them wouldn’t really prove anything apart from winning a title in the other big league but would he aged approx 60 really want to learn yet another language and move to another country, I agree with you I think if there is ever a club and time where he could be tempted to stay and build more of a mini dynasty and legacy it could be with us and now mabye stay for say 2 years beyond his contract if all is going well and then he can sail off into the sun and do some managing of a national team at a euros and WC.

What would be amazing would be if he can win us the carabao cup this season as it’s a trophy so early on, it would get the monkey off our back, it would take the pressure off the rest of the season and whatever happened from then on he could regard his time with us as a success but more importantly he could then look to really try and build on that for the remainder of this season and next seasons to come.

Anyway whatever way it plays out it’s very exciting with all the new players we’ve signed and the direction Jose is taking us.

Seems we really have quite a few strong characters now:
Lloris - captain
Hart - experienced winner
Dier - Jose’s Portuguese John Terry , apart from he runs off the pitch occasionally rather than shagHong other people’s missus
Regullion?? - he’s a winner if nothing else
PEH - leader, captain material
GLC. - warrior
Lamela - warrior
Kane - vice captain, true pro, leader

COYS.

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Europa League would be nice too

carmeldevil said:

One more point - I think he wants to stay in London. He stayed in a hotel in Manchester! At least in London, he'll be able to sleep in his house.

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Maybe he just reallyyyy liked that hotel haha! I always thought that was odd (beyond the first few months).

fishhhandaricecake said:

Absolutely agree with every single point here!

Great analysis of his tenures at previous clubs and based on his age now and the ‘challenge’ with Tottenham and the fact it’s close enough to his home and family etc etc I do think this could well be his last ‘big’ club job and if he does win us a trophy soon and keeps getting backed sensibly and well like this summer where he has full reign over the ins and outs of the squad then I think he will be more than happy here and could indeed stay a little longer than his contract is for to really prove himself.

He likes living in London and Prem is his favourite league, like you say Perhaps The bayern job could tempt him but his big rivsl
Pep has had that job and bayern are a top top club so winning something with them wouldn’t really prove anything apart from winning a title in the other big league but would he aged approx 60 really want to learn yet another language and move to another country, I agree with you I think if there is ever a club and time where he could be tempted to stay and build more of a mini dynasty and legacy it could be with us and now mabye stay for say 2 years beyond his contract if all is going well and then he can sail off into the sun and do some managing of a national team at a euros and WC.

What would be amazing would be if he can win us the carabao cup this season as it’s a trophy so early on, it would get the monkey off our back, it would take the pressure off the rest of the season and whatever happened from then on he could regard his time with us as a success but more importantly he could then look to really try and build on that for the remainder of this season and next seasons to come.

Anyway whatever way it plays out it’s very exciting with all the new players we’ve signed and the direction Jose is taking us.

Seems we really have quite a few strong characters now:
Lloris - captain
Hart - experienced winner
Dier - Jose’s Portuguese John Terry , apart from he runs off the pitch occasionally rather than shagHong other people’s missus
Regullion?? - he’s a winner if nothing else
PEH - leader, captain material
GLC. - warrior
Lamela - warrior
Kane - vice captain, true pro, leader

COYS.

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Forgot Bale:
serial winner!

Looks like it’s starting to click, very exciting.

KingKay said:

Looks like it’s starting to click, very exciting.

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It’s my birthday so I’ve had a few — and no one is happier that we knocked out those cocks today. But let’s keep it real. We drew 1-1 at home. Some massive positives for sure (Reguilon looks the bollocks). But let’s keep it together. Thursday and Sunday are arguably much bigger games. I think then we’ll have a better idea of where we are.

Anyway, as you were. I’ll have one more drink. And maybe, maybe text one more Chelsea fan ..,