Jose Mourinho

stevenurse said:

Im obviously not going to change your mind, and you clearly have a strong opinion on Jose but a knock on of the catastrophic injury list we've had has been not being able to rotate fully, even after extra time and penalties less than 3 days earlier.

Off the back of games that any team could lose however strong (leipzig, Chelsea, wolves) all using essentially the same 14 players they were tired and lacking confidence which showed. Do you genuinely think another manager would have had them playing significantly better?

A defence that isn't good enough, and a injury ravaged attack, with the filling of this shit sandwich being your record signing who cant be fucked to run. Anyone would struggle. I simply refuse to believe that any of these up and coming hipster coaches that people suggest would have us playing like 1970 brazil

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Poch asked for a rebuild. His new players got a total of 11 minutes together due to injuries before he was sacked. Why does Mourinho deserve any more patience? He was brought in to deliver. That means a trophy next season. I’ll be here waiting. In the meantime we’ll be putting up with Mourinho shit.

Dougal said:

Poch asked for a rebuild. His new players got a total of 11 minutes together due to injuries before he was sacked. Why does Mourinho deserve any more patience? He was brought in to deliver. That means a trophy next season. I’ll be here waiting. In the meantime we’ll be putting up with Mourinho shit.

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Because Poch had 5 years here and basically fell out with the team? Mourinho is here for 4-5month and didn't do that.

pelayo59 said:

So 4 transfers that Poch wanted isn't implementing the wishes of your manager?

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Thats addressing a few incomings. But there was a lot more required of Levy and a lot more issues that dragged into the start of the season. It was far from ideal and ultimately cost Poch his job and left us with Mourinho and a squad full of issues.

pelayo59 said:

Because Poch had 5 years here and basically fell out with the team? Mourinho is here for 4-5month and didn't do that.

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Poch came to the end of a 5 year cycle and had earned a chance to refresh, especially after carrying an unchanged squad for a couple of years, to Wembley and back. He got the absolute best out of them and fell just painfully short on levels we couldn’t have dreamed of for so long. We shouldn’t even be discussing Mourinho today. And if anyone thinks Mourinho’s relationship is any better at the moment than Poch’s was in the final month then we’re watching a different game. The players look completely uninspired.

Dougal said:

Poch came to the end of a 5 year cycle and had earned a chance to refresh, especially after carrying an unchanged squad for a couple of years, to Wembley and back. He got the absolute best out of them and fell just painfully short on levels we couldn’t have dreamed of for so long. We shouldn’t even be discussing Mourinho today. And if anyone thinks Mourinho’s relationship is any better at the moment than Poch’s was in the final month then we’re watching a different game. The players look completely uninspired.

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100% this

If Jose wasn't brought in to get more out of the current squad and save us a "painful rebuild" then why didn't we just give Poch the chance to oversee one? surely after all he did he had earned the right to do so

pelayo59 said:

Because Poch had 5 years here and basically fell out with the team? Mourinho is here for 4-5month and didn't do that.

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Many here keep saying Poch fell out with the team. I don't believe he did, he fell out with Levy over players he wanted. I don't think they would have gone to see him if he had and the many good wishes he received from most of them. The same fate could befall Mourinho if he doesn't get the players needed in the summer.

Imagine having this much invested in the last manager ... You can't let go so you keep posting things about him and running the current one down. Lot's of unhappy campers.

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

Imagine having this much invested in the last manager ... You can't let go so you keep posting things about him and running the current one down. Lot's of unhappy campers.

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I think if the new one was producing, or showing positive signs that he is likely to produce in the future, everyone would be happy

S0S said:

I think if the new one was producing, or showing positive signs that he is likely to produce in the future, everyone would be happy

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Would they? The noise only started after the first game we lost Sonny for (bar a few hardcore types) Since then it's been constant and there are no excuses, no time, no patience, just the same bollocks reworded game after game.

Thank fuck me and you aren't season ticket holders, eh?

pelayo59 said:

Because Poch had 5 years here and basically fell out with the team? Mourinho is here for 4-5month and didn't do that.

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That is why Harry Kane has put in a transfer request

jonnyrotten said:

That's not the point. He's basically telling our team that they aren't good enough. How's that going to help them? Compare that to the quotes from Poch that Dougal posted a few pages back. No excuses or criticism there. He takes responsibility and shows leadership.

What we are getting with Jose is sulking. I guess we will see the effect of these comments at the weekend...

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He's saying we've got a weakened side. It's hardly the elephant in the room.

fedupyid said:

That is why Harry Kane has put in a transfer request

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Has he told you this?

fedupyid said:

That is why Harry Kane has put in a transfer request

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So did Son and Walker with Pochettino. And I would say that Kane if it's true(Trix said it's not) is not because Mourinho.

One thing I will say about everyone saying Poch needed more time and have been backed to rebuild the squad. Did he even want to manage Tottenham to do that?

alfie103 said:

One thing I will say about everyone saying Poch needed more time and have been backed to rebuild the squad. Did he even want to manage Tottenham to do that?

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Did he not want to?

Dougal said:

Did he not want to?

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Probably not, wasn't he the head coach by this point, or was he the manager? I can't remember what he told the world at that press conference after the Bayern(?) game in preseason.

Maybe that's where this all went wrong. Head Coach > Manager

Dougal said:

Did he not want to?

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Well he talked in public about leaving if we won the champions league or if he wasn't happy with the club's plan.

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

Probably not, wasn't he the head coach by this point, or was he the manager? I can't remember what he told the world at that press conference after the Bayern(?) game in preseason.

Maybe that's where this all went wrong. Head Coach > Manager

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Doesn’t sound much like a manager who felt he had been backed.

alfie103 said:

Well he talked in public about leaving if we won the champions league or if he wasn't happy with the club's plan.

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It was clearly a message to Levy that he was overachieving and should he win it what more could he do without financial backing and a clearout of deadwood? Can’t believe fans jump on this quote so much. It’s more and more relevant every game that he saw this mess coming.

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

Would they? The noise only started after the first game we lost Sonny for (bar a few hardcore types) Since then it's been constant and there are no excuses, no time, no patience, just the same bollocks reworded game after game.

Thank fuck me and you aren't season ticket holders, eh?

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I may not be a season ticket holder but I have attended all but 3 home games this season and missed only handfuls in the last 3 seasons

I can only comment for myself and make assumptions based on my own feelings and that of people I know

Personally, yes, absolutely

I have no problem with Jose per say, in as far as I have no agenda against him and I was in fact hopefully he would bring something magical to the team and revitalise us, bring that winning quality and take us to the next level

I always liked him and always thought he was a fantastic manager and a serial winner

I never had any doubts about him until his stint and Man U, when I thought he under achieved having spent a lot of money (so that was the only thing to give me even the slightest doubt when he was hired)

When he came in I gave him 100% benefit of doubt

I was happy that he got some positive results when he first took over, I didn't think we really improved that much and was concerned with the goals we were shipping, but I was happy he got us winning again and moving up the table

So if he was showing signs of making us play well, or at least play effectively, I'd be well on board the Jose train

But to me it looks like we still need this giant, painful rebuild and I am failing to see what he is likely to offer moving forward above and beyond what Poch would have been able to offer

To me his tactics have looked tired and awful, we look passive, disjointed and disinterested. I think the signs are more negative than positive and it seems more likely that the nay sayers who predicted Jose's time has passed and the game has moved on without him will be proved right than it is likely that Jose will prove them wrong and show he has evolved with the times and take us to glory

It just seems again that Levy has made a similar mistake to when he hired AVB, thinking he will get different results than what has happened elsewhere. AVB showed at Chelsea that he wasn't up to it, Levy hired him thinking things would be different with us, Jose showed at Man U that he was no longer at the very top, yet Levy thought it would be different with us

Unless he gets major investment to reinvent the squad, I can't see him leading us to glory and I have my doubts he can do it even if he does get the money

I would love him to prove me wrong and will support him and the team whenever I am at the stadium (starting against Man U on Sunday) but as a fan I will express my concerns and opinions to my friends and places like this, because that's part of what makes football as engaging and exciting as it is