Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 4, 2020

DanielJohnCosta said:
fuck me you're deluded if you can't even admit he's had even atleast one good game for the club.
holy fuck.
100% you were one of the pathetic bastards on here calling for Lo Celso's head a couple months ago

How many games of 90 minutes has he completed?

Nah, I wouldn't call for a players head of his quality. He tends to be able to run around a bit more than 20 minutes and not look like he is blowing out his arsehole.

CowInAComa · Mar 4, 2020

-Afri-Coy- said:
I think most of you are forgetting how bad Sissoko was when we purchased him for 30 million quid, he was just as bad technically as Ndombele is fitness wise, to be honest at the time probably worse. He couldn't even manage short simple passes, nothing would go right for him.

Most of our fan base wrote him off within the first 6 months as nothing more than a squad filler with little to nothing to offer the team. Fast forward 3 years, and he wins the player's player of the year award. This coming from a player who HAD PL experience with Newcastle.

Dembele didn't set the world on fire when he joined from Fulham, another PL team, and he became one of the greatest midfielders we've ever had.

This instant gratification mentality on here is embarrassing, sometimes players hit the ground running and sometimes it takes a season or two to come to fruition. Give him some time to sort himself out, and we will reap the rewards.

Everyone wrote off Janssen too.

Spurrific · Mar 4, 2020

Ryan Sessegnon has played competitive football in England for 3 full years, is from here and hasn't had to uproot to move to the club. If you think having a pre-season for Ndombele outweighs that experience - I'm sorry, but you're bananas. They can both be considered flops atm, Sessegnon hasn't won us any points though. He also cost £25m, they didn't give us him for free.

The only difference for me is that Sessegnon seems to want it. Ndombele has had some tangible output though.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 4, 2020

He is an expensive player that the team is having to carry because of lack of effort. The use of Sissoko is funny because if nothing else, he gave it his all even if he was naff on the ball.

I'll continue to stick the boot in all I want. I pay for things, my money damn it, I'll make noise if I want to.

Jenko · Mar 4, 2020

He could play like Maradonna and I would still be annoyed we can't get more than 20 minutes out of him. My gut says he shows the same lack of desire in training in which case he is a totally shit signing. He's already come out once and told Jose he wasn't able to start a game when the medical team had declared him fit to start.

It's about desire now. Noone questions the talent. He will have been made aware of all these articles so if we don't see a significant reaction to them to show more desire then he has to go.

I think he'll start tonight so this will tell us everything.

CowInAComa · Mar 4, 2020

Defending the guy by trying to find examples of other players who are currently flopping harder is quite the eye opener.

He might not be as bad as sessegnon, that's the bar. That's what we paid our money for.

DanielJohnCosta · Mar 4, 2020

CowInAComa said:
Defending the guy by trying to find examples of other players who are currently flopping harder is quite the eye opener.

He might not be as bad as sessegnon, that's the bar. That's what we paid our money for.

can't wait for the day you choke on your words

Japhet · Mar 4, 2020

-Afri-Coy- said:
I think most of you are forgetting how bad Sissoko was when we purchased him for 30 million quid, he was just as bad technically as Ndombele is fitness wise, to be honest at the time probably worse. He couldn't even manage short simple passes, nothing would go right for him.

Most of our fan base wrote him off within the first 6 months as nothing more than a squad filler with little to nothing to offer the team. Fast forward 3 years, and he wins the player's player of the year award. This coming from a player who HAD PL experience with Newcastle.

Dembele didn't set the world on fire when he joined from Fulham, another PL team, and he became one of the greatest midfielders we've ever had.

This instant gratification mentality on here is embarrassing, sometimes players hit the ground running and sometimes it takes a season or two to come to fruition. Give him some time to sort himself out, and we will reap the rewards.

The main thing with Sissoko was that, unlike Ndombele, he never gave the impression that he couldn't be arsed. Even when he was rubbish he looked like he was trying but fans won't forgive nonchalence and lack of effort like Ndombele has been exhibiting.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 4, 2020

CowInAComa said:
Everyone wrote off Janssen too.

Fair enough but it was quite obvious to see that Janssen was out of his element with us and you could arguably say the same for Soldado.

Unfortunately Janssen and Soldado just couldn't fit into the system's that we were employing when they were apart of our team. I would consider these two flops, because over time they didn't improve or change their style of play to fit our system.

Ndombele's problems are fitness and attitude, two things that can be worked on and improved. If he can get those things in check, he will be invaluable to us.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 4, 2020

Japhet said:
The main thing with Sissoko was that, unlike Ndombele, he never gave the impression that he couldn't be arsed. Even when he was rubbish he looked like he was trying but fans won't forgive nonchalence and lack of effort like Ndombele has been exhibiting.

I did mention that his problems were technically and not fitness or work rate related, whereas Ndombele's is the opposite in the fact that he is incredibly gifted technically, but lacks the work rate and ethic needed to push him forward.

I don't think this is enough evidence to write him off, I'd even argue as to say he deserves at least another season before we can start talking about him being a flop or bad signing.

I've always respected others opinions and you are all entitled to yours, I just have immense patience when it comes to things like this and I don't expect anyone else to think the way I do. That's the beauty of a forum, we can share opinions without needing to argue about it.

CowInAComa · Mar 4, 2020

DanielJohnCosta said:
can't wait for the day you choke on your words

I won't be choking on any words; I'll be delighted, that our hugely expensive investment is proving his worth and providing my club with value and entertainment.

If that so happens.

DanielJohnCosta · Mar 4, 2020

CowInAComa said:
I won't be choking on any words; I'll be delighted, that our hugely expensive investment is proving his worth and providing my club with value and entertainment.

If that so happens.

nah fuck off you've passed the point of deserving any good that comes from it.
you went toxic, you don't deserve any of Ndombele when he finally hits peak

spurs mental · Mar 4, 2020

JakeCOYS said:
Everyone saying he has been a flop, ok he might not be as fit as others (at the moment) He has 2 goals 2 assists in the Premier League compared to Lo Celso's zero. Give him a break, he will come good eventually...

Lo Celso at least puts 10 times the effort of Ndombele right now and lasts more than 20 minutes a game. He has probably become one of the first names on the team sheet every week.

He came back from a period of injury too, from a foreign league.

If Ndombele at least showed he was trying there wouldn't be this discussion but hes lazy and unfit and has shown zero desire to change his fitness problems throughout the season. Ye hes been injured himself but come on, you're new to the club, at least show you want to be here and work hard.

Norgie · Mar 4, 2020

HodisGawd said:
For a manager to leave the club record signing out of the first XI in a crucial game like Wolves is worrying. Now we see precisely why - he can't be trusted:

Make no mistake, this is absoltely appalling from Ndombele.

Embarrassing stuff. Shocking.

No, worse than that. It's an absolute disgrace.

It's March. He's done fuck all. People talk about easing him in with the number 10 position. We're near the end of the season ffs, we don't have time. By the time we "ease him in" the season will be over. We need him putting in 100 per cent not.

He is a professional footballer earning 200k a week and who cost us 55m. And after a few minutes huffs and puffs like that. I'm sorry, but we've been conned here. This guy is a dud. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I have never seen a player act like that. We've had more than our fair share of lazy footballers but that takes the biscuit.

I'm disgusted. If it was any other player in the squad people here would be calling for blood. Why are people giving him free pass???

I've only just seen this and then listened to what Mou said in the press conference when asked about it, make no mistake he is deflecting the attention away from Ndombele. However he will have had words with him as that work rate is just not good enough and he will know that. The fans won't accept it, the manager and staff won't accept it and especially the other players won't accept it. He will have to up his game big time if be is to be successful in the PL.

CowInAComa · Mar 4, 2020

-Afri-Coy- said:
Fair enough but it was quite obvious to see that Janssen was out of his element with us and you could arguably say the same for Soldado.

Unfortunately Janssen and Soldado just couldn't fit into the system's that we were employing when they were apart of our team. I would consider these two flops, because over time they didn't improve or change their style of play to fit our system.

Ndombele's problems are fitness and attitude, two things that can be worked on and improved. If he can get those things in check, he will be invaluable to us.

No one questions the potential. But the reality is what the reality is.

The notion that fitness and application are easily fixed is simply untrue. If anything attitude and application is the biggest downfall of many many promising talents in all fields. Maybe the most vital attribute even for the greats. See Ronaldo.

Nothing suggests that the guy has been improving on either fitness or attitude though, if anything both are regressing. It's a real concern. You can't just magic up motivation or drive if you don't inherently have those attributes and I don't think be does. If 200k, a massive high profile transfer and Jose mourinho haven't worked what will?

spurs mental · Mar 4, 2020

DanielJohnCosta said:
nah fuck off you've passed the point of deserving any good that comes from it.
you went toxic, you don't deserve any of Ndombele when he finally hits peak

This is a weird take. Like, really weird.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 4, 2020

CowInAComa said:
I won't be choking on any words; I'll be delighted, that our hugely expensive investment is proving his worth and providing my club with value and entertainment.

If that so happens.

It's not about who is right and wrong, it's about sharing opinions and I think Daniel has the wrong end of the stick.

I think we all want what's best for the club, regardless of being right or wrong at the moment.

CowInAComa · Mar 4, 2020

DanielJohnCosta said:
nah fuck off you've passed the point of deserving any good that comes from it.
you went toxic, you don't deserve any of Ndombele when he finally hits peak

Haha. Oh you think it works like Christianity and you need to blindly praise the lord to get any good things. It's a faith based system.

Afraid it doesn't really work like that. Or life.

Explains your posts to be fair.

Spurs_Bear · Mar 4, 2020

DanielJohnCosta said:
nah fuck off you've passed the point of deserving any good that comes from it.
you went toxic, you don't deserve any of Ndombele when he finally hits peak

Genuinely concerned.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 4, 2020

CowInAComa said:
No one questions the potential. But the reality is what the reality is.

The notion that fitness and application are easily fixed is simply untrue. If anything attitude and application is the biggest downfall of many many promising talents in all fields. Maybe the most vital attribute even for the greats. See Ronaldo.

Nothing suggests that the guy has been improving on either fitness or attitude though, if anything both are regressing. It's a real concern. You can't just magic up motivation or drive if you don't inherently have those attributes and I don't think be does. If 200k, a massive high profile transfer and Jose Mourinho haven't worked what will?

The only thing that's missing at the moment, Time. He needs time.

And not to slag off Mourinho because I really do love him already, but he wrote off De Bruyne and look how that worked out. He is not faultless, and money isn't everything either. Let's see where we end up in a year's time.

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