Jose Mourinho

JCRD · Feb 25, 2020

spursfan77 said:
So basically anyone but Mourinho?

I’m not having a go but they’re all different managers and I’d say none of them are better than Poch except Ancelotti. But I expect Poch looked at him and his time at Bayern where he struggled to get the backing of the dressing room so went for Mourinho because he’s wanted him for a while. I really don’t think there was any option but to go with him. I think I would rather of kept Poch than get any of the ones you mention in fact and he was a busted flush.

Maybe Naglesmann just to see if it would be fun actually but none of the others are up to it. I think Levy would of gone for him too if he was possible to get out of Leipzig. I wouldn’t rule him out being here within the next 18 months actually.

For 15m a year I bet he would come here... most would... obviously RBL would have had something to say about it

My problem with giving Jose time is that comes with 100 odd million and he plays a particular style so if it doesnt work out, we may end up having to go through a turnover again... id rather have a guy who will strengthen the actual club and not just the team... have a similiar philosophy and work to playing a style throughout the club at all levels.

I think some of us dont want to give Jose much time because i think the very same people (consciously or subconsciously) view this as a short term arrangements... i think if we got someone like Nagelsman I bet we would be way more forgiving

Lennon1981 · Feb 25, 2020

McFlash said:
Wouldn't want Bielsa, he's just an older, shit Poch. His teams all seem to burn out by the final third of the season because he works them too hard.
The theory is there but it's impossible to implement because players aren't machines.

Maybe your right, all I’m saying is we have a squad built by Poch to play a certain style of football. Then we sack Poch and rightly so but then appoint someone with a completely different football style.

Then we are told we need to wait till he gets in his own players. Ok so we do that then in 2 years we go back to a Poch style manager but wait now we’ve got a squad built by Jose to defend deep etc etc and we just keep going round in circles.

We’ve got a style of play and a squad to suit it so bring in a fucking manager that plays in a style to suit the squad

jay2040 · Feb 25, 2020

Lennon1981 said:
Bottom line I want us to win things obviously, but I don’t want to abandon our style to do it.

I don’t see why we have to. Klopp is doing it playing amazing football as is pep. And Poch came so close to doing it to.

When did he come close? Even if he cane close he then began to decline.
The results were shit. It seems the champions league final is clouding peoples judgement.

I would put Jose in the same category as Klopp and Poch and dont think Poch deserves to be in the same bracket.

For the love of Spurs · Feb 25, 2020

Football is horrible. We should give Mourinho this season and next and that’s is fair given his record but our history is one of attacking football. The only justifiable reason to abandon this in the short term is trophies.

If he ain’t taking us to the very top next season it should be bye bye because the style of football ain’t worth it.

shelfboy68 · Feb 25, 2020

McFlash said:
Wouldn't want Bielsa, he's just an older, shit Poch. His teams all seem to burn out by the final third of the season because he works them too hard.
The theory is there but it's impossible to implement because players aren't machines.

Bielsa seems to have mythical status regarding how he was the godfather of this high intensity pressing but in reality has won fuck all pretty much similar to poch in many ways.

bat-chain · Feb 25, 2020

I have said we have to back Jose and I believe that still but he's been schooled by Lampard twice and Solskjaer, these are not elite level managers, if he doesn’t get what he needs from Levy in the summer I wonder if he might walk away and frame it as a falling out.

All depends how much he truly believes in his methods in 2020.

We're still paying Pochettino’s contract, (can you see where I am going). Lots of things he said were true are now obviously true, Vertonghen and Alderweireld declining, a painful rebuild needed. If by the end of the season Levy sees his change as a mistake I would not be shocked if he tries to rectify it.

McFlash · Feb 25, 2020

Lennon1981 said:
Mate don’t back track now. You was taking the piss out of me for enjoying the night in Amsterdam. I will never forget that night. So what if we didn’t win it? The emotions involved that night I didn’t think were possible in football.

He wasn't taking the piss out of you for enjoying that night, fucking hell, it was the best night any of us have had for a long time, there is no denying that.
Unfortunately, it was our peak but nothing can take away the emotions from that game. It was a beautiful thing.

But, I've also had some fantastic moments lifting the domestic cups too, something that you don't seem to want.

Lennon1981 · Feb 25, 2020

McFlash said:
He wasn't taking the piss out of you for enjoying that night, fucking hell, it was the best night any of us have had for a long time, there is no denying that.
Unfortunately, it was our peak but nothing can take away the emotions from that game. It was a beautiful thing.

But, I've also had some fantastic moments lifting the domestic cups too, something that you don't seem to want.

I think you’ll find he was. Me personally I enjoyed our two title challenges more than the one night we won the worthington cup. I probably enjoyed watching bale destroy micon more too.

Trophies genuinely aren’t everything, champions league and premier league aside.

McFlash · Feb 25, 2020

Lennon1981 said:
Maybe your right, all I’m saying is we have a squad built by Poch to play a certain style of football. Then we sack Poch and rightly so but then appoint someone with a completely different football style.

Then we are told we need to wait till he gets in his own players. Ok so we do that then in 2 years we go back to a Poch style manager but wait now we’ve got a squad built by Jose to defend deep etc etc and we just keep going round in circles.

We’ve got a style of play and a squad to suit it so bring in a fucking manager that plays in a style to suit the squad

That's the crux of our problem right there though. We don't have that squad any more, it's got old and stale.
No matter who was in charge, they've got a rebuilding job on their hands and I think Levy believes that Jose is the most likely to keep us there, or there abouts, while it's taking place.
We needed a manager who was capable of keeping us in and around the big time, while we complete this tricky squad rebuild. Mourinho has the personality and experience to do this, like him or not.

shelfboy68 · Feb 25, 2020

bat-chain said:
I have said we have to back Jose and I believe that still but he's been schooled by Lampard twice and Solskjaer, these are not elite level managers, if he doesn’t get what he needs from Levy in the summer I wonder if he might walk away and frame it as a falling out.

All depends how much he truly believes in his methods in 2020.

We're still paying Pochettino’s contract, (can you see where I am going). Lots of things he said were true are now obviously true, Vertonghen and Alderweireld declining, a painful rebuild needed. If by the end of the season Levy sees his change as a mistake I would not be shocked if he tries to rectify it.

Don't think he will rectify it by paying Jose two years salary which equates to about 30m and saying fuck off, he has brought him in so needs to back him if all goes well we could be treated to a trophy or two.

Lennon1981 · Feb 25, 2020

McFlash said:
That's the crux of our problem right there though. We don't have that squad any more, it's got old and stale.
No matter who was in charge, they've got a rebuilding job on their hands and I think Levy believes that Jose is the most likely to keep us there, or there abouts, while it's taking place.
We needed a manager who was capable of keeping us in and around the big time, while we complete this tricky squad rebuild. Mourinho has the personality and experience to do this, like him or not.

Yeah but we are trusting an IMO pragmatic defensive coach to rebuild our squad.

Then when we want to bring in a young forward thinking attacking manager he then needs to rebuild again.

Makes zero sense

CowInAComa · Feb 25, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
A large part of why we constantly fail to win anything during the intervening years is mentality, apart from Jose no body associated with the club and or team has a proven winning mentality like his.
Jose is the sort of fella who would sell his nan if it meant winning and until the players current or future signings develop that same attitude the trophies will continue to elude us.

has anyone disagreed with this point?

He literally said he wanted us to win stuff but for him the style we play it is just as important. Me too, I would probably take a season and trophy playing Joseball just to shut everyone up moaning, but ultimately in the long run I like the idea of watching an (ideally successful) swashbuckling Spurs side. So sue me. If we win the FA cup this season, it still wont be a patch on the seasons we were in the title race for me.

Honestly never met a Chelsea fan I am remotely jealous of or would swap with because he seen them win a few trophies, its not going to change my life.

McFlash · Feb 25, 2020

Lennon1981 said:
I think you’ll find he was. Me personally I enjoyed our two title challenges more than the one night we won the worthington cup. I probably enjoyed watching bale destroy micon more too.

Trophies genuinely aren’t everything, champions league and premier league aside.

I don't know. League challenges are great and ours was a fun ride but it's a drawn out process. I agree, there's nothing like the feeling created by a one off great result but for me, that could be in the Champions League, the Europa, either domestic cup, or even a last minute winner in a 4-3 game at West Ham.
Its hard to quantify feelings, they kind of take you over and don't always make sense or follow the perceived rules.
Cup games have always been special to me, no matter what the competition.

felmani26 · Feb 25, 2020

Lennon1981 said:
Mate don’t back track now. You was taking the piss out of me for enjoying the night in Amsterdam. I will never forget that night. So what if we didn’t win it? The emotions involved that night I didn’t think were possible in football.

Again, who didn't enjoy that night?!? Goes without saying.

It was the point that you would rather eulogise about Bale in Milan as opposed to a time we genuinely lifted a major trophy in '91.

Gb160 · Feb 25, 2020

CowInAComa said:
Honestly never met a Chelsea fan I am remotely jealous of or would swap with because he seen them win a few trophies, its not going to change my life.

I think you're in a tiny minority mate, cos I bloody am.

The game is about glory.

bat-chain · Feb 25, 2020

What is a winning mentality though? Because it can’t possibly be what we saw on Saturday.

McFlash · Feb 25, 2020

Lennon1981 said:
Yeah but we are trusting an IMO pragmatic defensive coach to rebuild our squad.

Then when we want to bring in a young forward thinking attacking manager he then needs to rebuild again.

Makes zero sense

At the end of the day, and much to the chagrin of many on here, Levy will only buy players that Levy wants.
He won't risk the long-term progression of the club, hence buying Gedson and Bergwijn, not spending 30m on a second rate striker.

Lennon1981 · Feb 25, 2020

felmani26 said:
Again, who didn't enjoy that night?!? Goes without saying.

It was the point that you would rather eulogise about Bale in Milan as opposed to a time we genuinely lifted a major trophy in '91.

And I’ll stand by that. Humiliating the European champions with Bale in full flow. I’d put beating Real Madrid at Wembley up there too. Watching your team spank the best in the world playing amazing football.

Those nights did more for us as a club than beating Nottingham forest in the fa cup

Metalhead · Feb 25, 2020

Lennon1981 said:
This this this.

I feel like we aren’t allowed to be proud of these things because we didn’t win either in the end.

I’ve supported spurs since 1990 and for the vast majority of the time we were terrible. When the sky 4 were at there peak I genuinely could never imagine us even being in the champions league never mind the final or fighting for a title.... twice! Playing the best football in the country.

As soon as you mention being proud of said achievements you’re mocked.

I've been supporting Spurs since 1990 too and obviously the 90s were mostly abysmal as you alluded to and it's been a long hard slog since Levy and ENIC took over to get to where we are. It's each to their own in terms of expectations. I just personally feel that to be considered an elite club you have to win trophies. I think that's inescapable.

shelfboy68 · Feb 25, 2020

CowInAComa said:
has anyone disagreed with this point?

He literally said he wanted us to win stuff but for him the style we play it is just as important. Me too, I would probably take a season and trophy playing Joseball just to shut everyone up moaning, but ultimately in the long run I like the idea of watching an (ideally successful) swashbuckling Spurs side. So sue me. If we win the FA cup this season, it still wont be a patch on the seasons we were in the title race for me.

Honestly never met a Chelsea fan I am remotely jealous of or would swap with because he seen them win a few trophies, its not going to change my life.

I can respect that mate I did enjoy the title attempts and the CL final which all fell short, but like you I like exciting football for sure but at the same time I would love it if in a few years time we are sitting here with two titles but ground it out a bit to achieve this.
Now I don't expect us to win league titles but I certainly would not be against it for the sake of some silverware but everyone has different opinions on how it's achieved.

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