The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Hand in Pocket edition 27th May 2014

arunspurs · May 28, 2014

spurs9 said:
A few weeks back, someone on twitter was praising Eriksen and JJ replied with "You wait till you see who he will be playing with next season ;0)".

Suggests to me that maybe we have already agreed a deal with someone.

I hope & dream Xavi is that player....

arunspurs · May 28, 2014

DaSpurs said:
I can't help but wonder/speculate/dream that individual may be Morata. Would make sense we had been communicating with Madrid over his future, and it would make sense for the club to go ahead and put some things in place such as terms since it's rather safe to assume none of our candidates would be opposed to such an acquisition, even if they don't put him immediately into the starting eleven.

May be and is likely horseshit, but that's the best theory I have at the moment. I do remember being very intrigued by that JJ post at the time, especially since I hadn't even the foggiest idea who it might be.

I can't see JJ getting excited over Mortta playing with Eriksen. It has got to be a bigger name than Eriksen IMO

DaSpurs · May 28, 2014

TheAmerican said:
If we are building around Eriksen, he will probably in the hole in a 4231. The biggest change we could make to directly assist him would be a proper left-winger or a deep-lying playmaker as one of the two cms. I see a left-winger as more likely though, considering our current depth at cm.

Very intrigued to see how Poch handles our midfield. We've a talented yet unbalanced lot, and their manner of play the last two years has been almost the antithesis of what he ran at Saints. The man's got a very busy summer ahead.

spurs9 · May 28, 2014

DaSpurs said:
I can't help but wonder/speculate/dream that individual may be Morata. Would make sense we had been communicating with Madrid over his future, and it would make sense for the club to go ahead and put some things in place such as terms since it's rather safe to assume none of our candidates would be opposed to such an acquisition, even if they don't put him immediately into the starting eleven.

May be and is likely horseshit, but that's the best theory I have at the moment. I do remember being very intrigued by that JJ post at the time, especially since I hadn't even the foggiest idea who it might be.

I don't know, to me, it looked more like JJ was suggesting someone that would be, most likely, a first teamer rather than someone for the future.

Snarfalicious · May 28, 2014

DaSpurs said:
Agreed, about exactly what I'm hoping for. Pending the CB position outcome, I think we can expect to see at least two new faces (and I'd bet three, not including CB) in the starting lineup come September (hopefully August).

I think a CB and LB will be the 2 new faces. I could honestly see the front 4 being Chadli, Eriksen, Lamela and Soldado. That obviously could change should we go for a LW to really push Chadli but Sandro and Paulinho could function a lot like Schneiderlin and Wanyama (Who appeared to be Poch's first-choice pairing when both were healthy).

arunspurs · May 28, 2014

DaSpurs said:
Very intrigued to see how Poch handles our midfield. We've a talented yet unbalanced lot, and their manner of play the last two years has been almost the antithesis of what he ran at Saints. The man's got a very busy summer ahead.

Way he plays with Soton, I can clearly see a major role for Sandro, who should be playing Sneiderlin role.
One of Bentaleb/Holtby should be getting lot of game time, given their attributes.
Key ofcourse is Poch's take on our defense, especially full backs.
Both Walker & Rose are not the kind of full backs he had at Soton.

Snarfalicious · May 28, 2014

TheAmerican said:
I really, really, really hope we don't lose Sandro. I'm sunk thinking about it. I would be absolutely gutted. I only hope that we continue our somewhat previous trend of pushing a few fringe players out and bringing in a few starters, to strengthen overall.

I don't think we will. I think Pochettino will look at him as a player who can function similar to Schneiderlin. Both are incredible at intercepting the ball and if Poch can get Sandro to learn to recycle possession a little quicker by feeding it to attacking players it's basically a like-for-like replacement in my opinion.

DaSpurs · May 28, 2014

arunspurs said:
I can't see JJ getting excited over Mortta playing with Eriksen. It has got to be a bigger name than Eriksen IMO

Bigger name than Eriksen implies likely bigger risk due to fee, especially since the player may not be compatible with the impending new manager. With Morata, he'd be cheap, can't be as immediately expectant regardless of coming from Madrid since he almost never started in his first consistent year with the first team, but is still a highly rated player with a big name. Makes decent sense for the club due to low risk and given the "relationship" with Madrid (likely buy-back clause), yet still a strong enough player to elicit reaction.

DaSpurs · May 28, 2014

Snarfalicious said:
I don't think we will. I think Pochettino will look at him as a player who can function similar to Schneiderlin. Both are incredible at intercepting the ball and if Poch can get Sandro to learn to recycle possession a little quicker by feeding it to attacking players it's basically a like-for-like replacement in my opinion.

I think that player is Capoue. Don't think we'll see Sandro go, but given Poch's style I can certainly see him preferring Capoue's quicker ball movement and mobility.

Snarfalicious · May 28, 2014

I feel like JJ would make that statement in regards to Lukaku. Thinking of Lukaku just barreling through defenses and Eriksen filling the void/path of destruction left by Lukaku sounds great in theory.

arunspurs · May 28, 2014

DaSpurs said:
Bigger name than Eriksen implies likely bigger risk due to fee, especially since the player may not be compatible with the impending new manager. With Morata, he'd be cheap, can't be as immediately expectant regardless of coming from Madrid since he almost never started in his first consistent year with the first team, but is still a highly rated player with a big name. Makes decent sense for the club due to low risk and given the "relationship" with Madrid (likely buy-back clause), yet still a strong enough player to elicit reaction.

may be; I just felt at that time, it could be name we never thought of & a possibly a bigger name;

DaSpurs · May 28, 2014

arunspurs said:
Way he plays with Soton, I can clearly see a major role for Sandro, who should be playing Sneiderlin role.
One of Bentaleb/Holtby should be getting lot of game time, given their attributes.

I don't think Bentaleb is quite aggressive enough yet, and Holtby still has some work to do as far as balancing out his game. I do believe we'll see Holtby used quite a bit though.

spurs9 · May 28, 2014

arunspurs said:
I can't see JJ getting excited over Mortta playing with Eriksen. It has got to be a bigger name than Eriksen IMO

I agree about Morata but highly doubt it will be someone with a bigger name than Eriksen.

Snarfalicious · May 28, 2014

DaSpurs said:
I think that player is Capoue. Don't think we'll see Sandro go, but given Poch's style I can certainly see him preferring Capoue's quicker ball movement and mobility.

I think it'll probably be splitting hairs to be honest. Capoue has the better range of passing, Sandro, in my opinion, could potentially offer more going forward (but, I've always felt this way in regards to Sandro). And, we have to take into account that Sandro and Capoue only made 29 appearances combined in the EPL this past season. That alone makes me think that these guys will both player major roles in an attempt to keep them both going strong for the whole season and because Poch will view them as both good options.

puella · May 28, 2014

spurs9 said:
A few weeks back, someone on twitter was praising Eriksen and JJ replied with "You wait till you see who he will be playing with next season ;0)".

Suggests to me that maybe we have already agreed a deal with someone.

I remember reading that tweet and thinking it might be Pirlo he was referring to. Optimistic, I know!

arunspurs · May 28, 2014

Snarfalicious said:
I feel like JJ would make that statement in regards to Lukaku. Thinking of Lukaku just barreling through defenses and Eriksen filling the void/path of destruction left by Lukaku sounds great in theory.

A 3 way swap?

Costa-> Chelsea, Soldado->Athletico Madrid, Lukaku->Spurs

Looks impossible

spurs9 · May 28, 2014

DaSpurs said:
Bigger name than Eriksen implies likely bigger risk due to fee, especially since the player may not be compatible with the impending new manager. With Morata, he'd be cheap, can't be as immediately expectant regardless of coming from Madrid since he almost never started in his first consistent year with the first team, but is still a highly rated player with a big name. Makes decent sense for the club due to low risk and given the "relationship" with Madrid (likely buy-back clause), yet still a strong enough player to elicit reaction.

I highly doubt it will be Morata, he has recenlt said he would like to stay at Real which, although doesn't mean he won't leave, I think means he hasn't already agreed a deal elsewhere.

Also, Morata won't be cheap, he will cost about 15-20 m Euro's.

DaSpurs · May 28, 2014

Snarfalicious said:
I think a CB and LB will be the 2 new faces. I could honestly see the front 4 being Chadli, Eriksen, Lamela and Soldado. That obviously could change should we go for a LW to really push Chadli but Sandro and Paulinho could function a lot like Schneiderlin and Wanyama (Who appeared to be Poch's first-choice pairing when both were healthy).

Mayhaps, but with de Boer it seemed the maintenance of this midfield was more questionable to me. Given the very different manners of play between ours the last two years and Poch's, I'd be very surprised to see no immediate changes in midfield for next season.

Snarfalicious · May 28, 2014

arunspurs said:
A 3 way swap?

Costa-> Chelsea, Soldado->Athletico Madrid, Lukaku->Spurs

Looks impossible

It all makes sense on paper, though. Chelsea get the guy they apparently are pining for. Atletico get a proven goal scorer in La Liga to replace their main goal scoring threat and Lukaku goes to a CL-challenging side that will put great talent around him and can bring him on permanently.

Of course, shit that looks good on paper hardly ever pans out that way.

Gaz_Gammon · May 28, 2014

TheAmerican said:
I really, really, really hope we don't lose Sandro. I'm sunk thinking about it. I would be absolutely gutted. I only hope that we continue our somewhat previous trend of pushing a few fringe players out and bringing in a few starters, to strengthen overall.

Sandro played fifteen games last season. Poch will be looking for him to improve on that, or start someone more reliable.

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