What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[SandroClegane]

Oh, I agree with your sentiment entirely. Just surprised that he's gone on to the main Man City messageboard, confessed and apologised - better than most in my opinion, and not something I could Imagine West Ham or Chelsea fans doing.......in fact, I'm pretty sure they'd deny all, claim their innocent and then tell us its our own fault for associating with the Jewish community in the first place!

Pretty sure Chelsea & West Ham fans would own up to it and brag about it.

 

[kr1978]

Not only that, but he says that he turned himself in to the police. His apology is obviously sincere if that's the case and he deserves great credit.

Didnt really have a lot of choice about turning himself in as it was only a matter of time before they'd find him anyway but at least he is owning his mistake and not trying to justify it, would be a lot easier to just lie low and wait for it to die down a bit so fair play to him for that.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Not only that, but he says that he turned himself in to the police. His apology is obviously sincere if that's the case and he deserves great credit.

No he doesn't deserve great credit anymore than a paedophile who owns up does, he deserves to be punished by the law.

 

[Woodyy]

No he doesn't deserve great credit anymore than a paedophile who owns up does, he deserves to be punished by the law.

I know where you're coming from but I don't think a paedophile could use the argument of being "caught up in the heat of the moment"..

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

I know where you're coming from but I don't think a paedophile could use the argument of being "caught up in the heat of the moment"..

No, they would say they had a compulsive urge. In neither case is the excuse worth anything. Do you think if you "got caught up in the heat of the moment" you might sing about gassing Jews ? I'd suggest anyone who does is either a blatant racist or a marginally repressed one.

 

[Col_M]

What are his fellow BMooners saying?

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Surely the only people that get to decide whether he is racist or his apology is genuine or whethe he is forgiven are Jewish people.

 

[stewartd]

A dog on its own is a household pet, when it gets into a pack it can become a wild animal. This is what happened in effect to this guy. The dog has an excuse its an animal, he has no excuse he is a human being and knows right from wrong.
All those Germans who said they got caught up with the crowd euphoria and were not really Nazis used the same excuse as this guy, they are not strong enough to do the right thing and become no better then an animal there is no excuse.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Surely the only people that get to decide whether he is racist or his apology is genuine or whethe he is forgiven are Jewish people.

I'm Jewish and I don't think he should be forgiven but as an aside I don't share the view that only the victims of racist abuse can decide whether a racist should be punished. If the Manc fans had abused Spurs fans based on the colour of their skin my view would be identical and I wouldn't feel any less entitled to it.

 

[absolute bobbins]

I'm Jewish and I don't think he should be forgiven but as an aside I don't share the view that only the victims of racist abuse can decide whether a racist should be punished. If the Manc fans had abused Spurs fans basis on the colour of their skin my view would be identical and I wouldn't feel any less entitled to it.

Not to get all pious but as a Jew you should remember it's a mitzvah to forgive those who have wronged us.

 

[Sid Tottenham]

Pretty sure I've made a **** of. Myself a few times especially after having a few
I think his apology is sincere and he's obviously embarrassed about the situation
Guy comes out and admits this and says sorry think I can forgive him
I'm not Jewish though I don't have family members affected by the holocaust so maybe it's not my place.
Pretty famous Jewish bloke said this
Let him without sin cast the first stone and also judge not lest ye be judged yourself
Edit thought about deleting this post as its religion and that never normally ends well
I'll leave it up but I'm probably not gonna add anything further

 

[Bulletspur]

Pretty sure I've made a **** of. Myself a few times especially after having a few
I think his apology is sincere and he's obviously embarrassed about the situation
Guy comes out and admits this and says sorry think I can forgive him
I'm not Jewish though I don't have family members affected by the holocaust so maybe it's not my place.
Pretty famous Jewish bloke said this
Let him without sin cast the first stone and also judge not lest ye be judged yourself
Edit thought about deleting this post as its religion and that never normally ends well
I'll leave it up but I'm probably not gonna add anything further

You wouldn't have said it if deep down you weren't that way inclined, especially when it takes you to be inebriated for it to come out. From my position that is even worse as I would rather you be upfront about it rather than to be racist by stealth

 

[Sid Tottenham]

You wouldn't have said it if deep down you weren't that way inclined, especially when it takes you to be inebriated for it to come out. From my position that is even worse as I would rather you be upfront about it rather than to be racist by stealth

I wouldn't have said what?
I ain't excusing what he said and certainly not confessing to similar behaviour myself
I'm saying he's apologised and I can forgive him
That's it

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

Slightly hypocritical of the Mail to be condemning someone's anti-Semitism given their history, but the writer was very thoughtful in his inclusion of the second half of the article, allowing people to understand why the thing I love most is being a Yid (even though, ethnically, I'm not).

Why is it slightly hypocritical ?

The people that own the Daily Mail now are not the same people from 80 years ago, neither are the owners of the Daily Mirror.

Perhaps you need to brush up on your history.....

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ailymail-oswald-mosley?client=ms-opera-mobile

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

Most people who aren't British and white will have had some form of racism even from their own mates. I've had it and my background isn't as obvious as some. My brother was knifed across his face random in a bar, the reason ? The person who did it shouted shouldn't mix with Ni***s. Our mate was black, didn't do anything or say anything to upset the guy. Wrong place wrong time..... racist ****.

 

[taidgh]

You wouldn't have said it if deep down you weren't that way inclined, especially when it takes you to be inebriated for it to come out. From my position that is even worse as I would rather you be upfront about it rather than to be racist by stealth

Yes and no. How many gleefully sang about Sol Campbell because hey, he left our club! He deserves to die! And about Adebayor, because his song was so funny! I think sometimes, especially with sport, people can get too involved in whats whirring around them to really think about what they're saying. Not completely excusing it, and not saying all actions should be forgiven, but this lad seems genuinely contrite. Maybe just maybe he's not a sneaky racist, but sang along with a song when others around him were too, and has realized he was wrong and apologized?

 

[Bulletspur]

Yes and no. How many gleefully sang about Sol Campbell because hey, he left our club! He deserves to die! And about Adebayor, because his song was so funny! I think sometimes, especially with sport, people can get too involved in whats whirring around them to really think about what they're saying. Not completely excusing it, and not saying all actions should be forgiven, but this lad seems genuinely contrite. Maybe just maybe he's not a sneaky racist, but sang along with a song when others around him were too, and has realized he was wrong and apologized?

I was not referring to the person on the train who later apologised, good for him. I was referring to a comment that was made where someone said they probably have done it when they were pissed.

 

[Sid Tottenham]

I was not referring to the person on the train who later apologised, good for him. I was referring to a comment that was made where someone said they probably have done it when they were pissed.

Can you read my post again and point out where I said I would probably have done it when I was pissed.
You have either misunderstood what I said or I have poorly worded the post (Quite possible)
In fact don't bother I already explained a couple of posts down from that one and I ain't gonna do it again.
Think what you want I don't care.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

I think there is a differential between people that are racist and those that just want to hurt/upset you by saying what they believe is the most upsetting thing they can think off. I think a lot of opposition fans think singing about the gas chambers or holocaust will piss us off (and it does) and that's the route cause of them singing it, and for a large part I don't think most actually mean what they say but are just incredibly stupid and ignorant.

 

[mightyspur]

Can you read my post again and point out where I said I would probably have done it when I was pissed.
You have either misunderstood what I said or I have poorly worded the post (Quite possible)

I assume he's misread your opening line of your original post, where you said

Pretty sure I've made a **** of. Myself a few times especially after having a few

And assumed you'd also sung racist chants