What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[Giovanni]

Big difference to players (where you hold on to their registration), a manager can just quit and take another job, as per civilian work force.

Just cant see it. Would go against every word he ever spoke at our club. We have him for 2 more years at least

 

[spids]

Agree. But he’s not contractually bound to us the way players are.

 

[The Doc]

Just cant see it. Would go against every word he ever spoke at our club. We have him for 2 more years at least

Why wouldn't he take it, if offered? Would demonstrate an unprecedented degree of commitment if he did turn it down, but this is Man Utd. Arguably the biggest club job in England, despite present appearances. Of course, there would be financial compensation, but, if he told Levy he wanted to go, I guess that's what would happen. Eventually.

 

[Hakkz]

I'd rather lock Poch in a box until his contract is up than let that scum get their hands on him.

 

[spud]

Big difference to players (where you hold on to their registration), a manager can just quit and take another job, as per civilian work force.

Are you sure? Clubs pay compensation for managers (we paid Southampton for Hoddle, for example) and Silva wanted to go to Everton last year but Watford didn't let him.

 

[wakefieldyid]

Are you sure? Clubs pay compensation for managers (we paid Southampton for Hoddle, for example) and Silva wanted to go to Everton last year but Watford didn't let him.

Under current employment law, Watford would have been left to sue Everton for inducing Silva to break his existing contract. In the event that Watford had suffered serious consequences from this breach (e.g relegation from the PL), the damages award could have been huge. (https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/managers-moving-clubs/)

 

[spids]

Are you sure? Clubs pay compensation for managers (we paid Southampton for Hoddle, for example) and Silva wanted to go to Everton last year but Watford didn't let him.

There are legal issues over breaking a manager breaking a contract, and I am sure there are clauses in their contracts about liability / compensation etc. But with players the playing registration is held by the club and thus they cannot play for anyone else in the contracted period without the clubs agreement (as in the Diego Costa stand off with Chelsea a couple of years ago).

 

[spids]

Under current employment law, Watford would have been left to sue Everton for inducing Silva to break his existing contract. In the event that Watford had suffered serious consequences from this breach (e.g relegation from the PL), the damages award could have been huge. (https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/managers-moving-clubs/)

There was no 'breach' in this case - Watford sacked Silva after their results deteriorated. Watford owners link the drop off in results with Silva 'downing tools' after the Everton approach for him was rejected, but it is noticeable that (a) Watford are a club who will have inconsistent results due to their status, and (b) their owners have sacked every manager pretty quickly they have hired due to poor results, with their current manager - Javi Gracia - being the 8th incumbent in just 4 years.

 

[wakefieldyid]

There was no 'breach' in this case - Watford sacked Silva after their results deteriorated. Watford owners link the drop off in results with Silva 'downing tools' after the Everton approach for him was rejected, but it is noticeable that (a) Watford are a club who will have inconsistent results due to their status, and (b) their owners have sacked every manager pretty quickly they have hired due to poor results, with their current manager - Javi Gracia - being the 8th incumbent in just 4 years.

That's true, but Everton first attempted to recruit Silva when they sacked Koeman in November, and were forced to walk away when Watford threatened them with legal action. Ultimately, although Everton paid no compensation to Watford, they were forced to employ Fat Sam for the rest of the season, which most people considered to be punishment enough!

 

[Johnny J]

It's also worth noting that if you're a club that regularly sacks its managers and flirts with relegation, you'd have an uphill battle getting compensation for the loss arising from relegation. There would have to be a pretty strong factual basis to persuade the court to award it.

 

[spursfan77]

I think that’s why clubs put release clauses at a set fee in the contracts so that they get something if their managers are tapped up. I’ve always found it strange that clubs refuse to pay, say £10 million, for a manager at another club when they’ll happily chuck that at some average player from abroad to sit on their bench.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Poch signed a new contract, so unless he has a clause in there to speak to United, I can't see Levy even answering the phone to United anyway, or just laugh down the phone at them.

All managers can resign. It's whether the club accept it. Of course we wouldn't initially, but then if he starts fielding 6 players for every match he'd have to go. Basically what Conte was doing to get sacked and get his huge pay off.

Big difference to players (where you hold on to their registration), a manager can just quit and take another job, as per civilian work force.

As per most senior management roles, I would imagine he potentially has a notice period if he resigns which we could enforce - IE, put him on gardening leave for a year.

Why wouldn't he take it, if offered? Would demonstrate an unprecedented degree of commitment if he did turn it down, but this is Man Utd. Arguably the biggest club job in England, despite present appearances. Of course, there would be financial compensation, but, if he told Levy he wanted to go, I guess that's what would happen. Eventually.

The more I think about it the more I come out in a cold sweat. They're made for each other. Both ready to back and be loyal as fuck to eachother. He could spend 20 years there.

Are you sure? Clubs pay compensation for managers (we paid Southampton for Hoddle, for example) and Silva wanted to go to Everton last year but Watford didn't let him.

Compensation to reduce/waive the aforementioned notice period and to not sue for poaching probably.

There was no 'breach' in this case - Watford sacked Silva after their results deteriorated. Watford owners link the drop off in results with Silva 'downing tools' after the Everton approach for him was rejected, but it is noticeable that (a) Watford are a club who will have inconsistent results due to their status, and (b) their owners have sacked every manager pretty quickly they have hired due to poor results, with their current manager - Javi Gracia - being the 8th incumbent in just 4 years.

This.
Very unique set of circumstances where Watford were doing pretty well under Silva, then Everton sniffed around him and he went a bit funny after being told he couldn't jump ship after only a few months.
Seems a bit of a disloyal dick to me.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Anyway - do you think West Ham may need to bring some of their subs on?

 

[dudu]

Definitely a mixed bag of comments about the game next Monday on redcafe.

They are hoping for Jones, Smalling, Matic and Lingard to come back into the side and make a big difference for them.

 

[Lilbaz]

Big difference to players (where you hold on to their registration), a manager can just quit and take another job, as per civilian work force.

Depends what the contract says i guess.

 

[JCRD]

So ive stayed quiet for a while but i can no longer stay quiet on the matter as its really bugging me

Can someone change the title to 18/19 pretty please arghhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[michaelden]

we should start a new thread, save server resources

 

[Dougal]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...onents-fans-are-saying-about-us-18-19.134183/