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so it follows its okay for a club to celebrate its white heritage if its okay for one to celebrate their jewish heritage. how could it be otherwise?
the impulse is the same regardless of asymmetric power. I understand the consequences arent. but the fundamental emotional impulse is the same.
it isnt. you take a minority in the west and put them in a majority situation and they are capable of discrimination, and there are plenty of examples of that, without getting into specifics that might get me in trouble. the basic impulse in the same.
instead of just hurling accusations why dont you explain the difference between celebrate being a jew and celebrating being white. you appear to be saying one is racist and one isnt. from what I can tell you can only publicly take pride in your race, ethnicity or religion if you arent the dominant culture. btw, fwiw, I feel neither pride nor shame about being white. I had no say in the matter.
You’re deconstructing everything to a human impulse, and in doing so, ignoring any historical context for the impacts of racism and discrimination, which still continue today. Slavery, genocide, colonialism, historical and ongoing racism and discrimination – they can all be ignored, or treated as vague abstractions, by those who haven’t experienced their negative, generational impact.
David was absolutely right when he used the word “privilege” in response to your post. It wasn’t an insult. It may have made you feel uncomfortable, but it’s the truth. Not sure why you considered it an “emotional” response.
You state you “feel no pride or shame in being white”, which makes total sense, because you never had to question it much. Others on this thread have lifetime experience and exposure to being considered “less than”, and we have far more personal, historical engagement and investment in the topic. I think that’s the part where you have a disconnect, and it’s an opportunity to be more open in your understanding.