Lloris

[Led's Zeppelin]

Fair enough. Obviously all keepers make mistakes my point was that lloris make more than the keepers I mentioned

Lloris is the best in the world, possibly alongside Neuer, at coming off his line and defending not just the goal and the area but beyond. It is crucial to our ability to launch attacks from the back, commit players forward and hold a high line.

He is required to take much higher risks than most goalkeepers and that suits him. Unlike any other, his anticipation and reading of the game as well as his reflexes enable him to do it. But as with all high-risk tactics, more errors will occur than with low-risk tactics. That should be obvious and it's the price we knowingly pay for the benefits we gain the rest of the time.

If Lloris was asked to play safe, stick more to his line and so on, he would make fewer mistakes but I bet you my house we'd collect fewer points over a season as a result.

Hugo is a critically important and influential part of the way the team plays, and you have to accept that, just as genius strikers miss easy chances from time to time, genius keepers like Lloris mess up as well. We are lucky to have him and would be much weaker without him.

 

[dondo]

If you don't watch the others as much as Hugo how have you come to the conclusion that they are better than him, that's a bit of a redundant argument no?

Come on if a keeper makes a error it's analysed to bits on sky or motd.
My mate supports Man U so I watch a fair bit of de gea.

 

[cider spurs]

CLARIFICATION ALERT..

At no point have I suggested we should sell Lloris.

 

[dondo]

I can't believe we are using the words 'sell' or 'sale' and Lloris in the same sentence

What the fuck.

Who said that?

 

[Shadydan]

Come on if a keeper makes a error it's analysed to bits on sky or motd.
My mate supports Man U so I watch a fair bit of de gea.

So you use selected highlights to form an argument, say no more.

 

[dondo]

So you use selected highlights to form an argument, say no more.

You really don't get what I'm saying do you?
You don't need to watch every second of every match to count the mistakes goalkeepers make do you?
I think I'll leave it with you now mate tbh it's starting to get boring and your not understanding the most simplest points

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

You really don't get what I'm saying do you?
You don't need to watch every second of every match to count the mistakes goalkeepers make do you?
I think I'll leave with you now mate tbh it's starting to get boring and your not understanding the most simplest points

You do seem to be missing the context of their overall game though.

Harry Kane misses more chances than someone like Carrol. That doesn't make him a worse striker though.

Hugo may make more mistakes than some hugely inferior keepers.

What he and Kane have in common is that they are braver, more positive and creative and attempt a lot more things. They are better and more effective players than many of those who may make fewer mistakes.

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Every keeper makes errors, they are all human.

If you look at Hugo's record he makes fewer than most and the amount of pressure he was under yesterday was beyond belief for most of the game. I'm sure he knows they were bad mistakes but on average he is a fantastic, world class goalie and we are lucky to have him between the posts.

 

[shoggy33]

The kind of mistakes we saw yesterday from Lloris are rare, however his distribution is often very poor. Not sure it's something he'll every really improve on that at this stage, so I guess it's just something we'll have to accept as we're never gunna find a better keeper.

 

[Shadydan]

You really don't get what I'm saying do you?
You don't need to watch every second of every match to count the mistakes goalkeepers make do you?
I think I'll leave it with you now mate tbh it's starting to get boring and your not understanding the most simplest points

You cannot watch highlights and use that as a basis of your argument, highlights wont show you everything about a player's performance because they are designed to show you the highlights of the game. They won't focus on anticipation, positioning, decision making, distribution and things like that, yet you think watching highlights is enough to make a fair judgement, ok then.

I'm actually starting to wonder if you actually do watch other keepers, if you did you would have been privvy to the those errors I highlighted with the other keepers, your argument is very strange TBH.

 

[dondo]

You do seem to be missing the context of their overall game though.

Harry Kane misses more chances than someone like Carrol. That doesn't make him a worse striker though.

Hugo may make more mistakes than some hugely inferior keepers.

What he and Kane have in common is that they are braver, more positive and creative and attempt a lot more things. They are better and more effective players than many of those who may make fewer mistakes.

I agree with pretty much everything you said but for lloris to become the best in the league he has to make less errors. That's all I'm saying

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

The kind of mistakes we saw yesterday from Lloris are rare, however his distribution is often very poor. Not sure it's something he'll every really improve on that at this stage, so I guess it's just something we'll have to accept as we're never gunna find a better keeper.

Yet he consistently figures very high indeed in the passing accuracy stats for keepers. According to Squawka he is currently no 2 in the league, just behind Courtois and quite a long way ahead of anyone else.

I wonder if our perceptions are as accurate as his passing.

 

[glospur]

How can my personal opinion be wrong? Fair enough you don't agree but you can't say I'm wrong because you see it differently

No, it is categorically wrong to say that Cech and particularly Schmeichel are better than him, and highly debatable that De Gea and Courtois are clearly better. Let alone the vague reference to a few others who are on the same level, which is incorrect as well. The only keeper that is on the same level as Hugo in the PL is De Gea and arguably Courtois.

 

[Damian99]

Anyone who is doubting Hugo Lloris after yesterday due to two awful mistakes seriously needs to take themselves outside and give themselves a fucking good shake - As for the other keepers mentioned over a season i would still back Lloris over all of them.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

It's 2-2. Manchester United need to get a good result in the penultimate game in the season to have hopes of Champions League qualification. 80th minute Free-Kick comes in...

 

[Spurger King]

Lloris is probably our best player. Yes he made two mistakes yesterday, but over the course of a season he'll earn us a hell of a lot more points than he'll cost us.

 

[shoggy33]

Yet he consistently figures very high indeed in the passing accuracy stats for keepers. According to Squawka he is currently no 2 in the league, just behind Courtois and quite a long way ahead of anyone else.



I wonder if our perceptions are as accurate as his passing.

Is that not just because the way we play means he plays a lot of 10 yard passes, which are inevitably more accurate than long hoofs up field? It also doesn't factor in the many times he plays one of our defenders into trouble by giving it to them with their back to goal surrounded by opposition. It obviously doesn't help that we persevere with playing out from the back even when it's painfully clear that it's not working.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Is that not just because the way we play means he plays a lot of 10 yard passes, which are inevitably more accurate than long hoofs up field? It also doesn't factor in the many times he plays one of our defenders into trouble by giving it to them with their back to goal surrounded by opposition. It obviously doesn't help that we persevere with playing out from the back even when it's painfully clear that it's not working.

I thought that.

He was also 1st or 2nd for accuracy over the whole of last season and his average pass distance was far higher than the average. The figures haven't been broken down in that way yet for this season, or at least I couldn't find them.

But lots of goalies roll or throw it whenever they can and still have far lower accuracy.

I suspect we're so conscious of Hugo's mistakes that we're just not able to be objective.

I agree with the last bit, about putting our defenders under pressure, but that is presumably under team instructions.

 

[Damian99]

Fair enough. Obviously all keepers make mistakes my point was that lloris make more than the keepers I mentioned

Do you have any actual factual evidence of that statement or is that just an opinion?? No way on this earth will you have seen more games/matches from any of these other keepers and NO Sky do not cover every single mistake a keepers makes - unless it's a complete howler. You also might need to define what you class as a "mistake" ? Does it have to lead to a goal? Cos if so Lloris can't make that many - we have the meanest defence going and weren't to shabby last season either.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Correction to my above post about goalkeeper passing accuracy:

As of today, Squawka now rate Lloris no1 on passing accuracy. (75%)

And his average pass is 5m longer than Courtois and De Gea and 1 m longer than Peter Cech's, for example.