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TL; DR, this is our squad for the rest of the season
GK: Forster (HG), Vicario, Whiteman (HG), Austin (HG)
DF: Davies (HG), Romero, Porro, Royal, Sessegnon (HG), van de Ven, Dragusin (U21), Udogie (U21)
MF: Hojbjerg, Lo Celso, Bissouma, Maddison (HG), Bentancur, Skipp (HG), Sarr (U21)
FW: Son, Werner (on loan), Richarlison, Solomon, Kulusevski, Gil, Johnson
23 senior players + 3 under 21s, 8 home grown players
On loan first team players returning in the summer: Ndombele, Parrott (currently U21), Rodon, Philips, Spence, Reguilon, Tanganga
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What’s this about then?
Several people have asked how the homegrown rules work for the Premier League and UEFA competitions, as we currently look likely to be playing in European competition of some sort next season. This is an attempt to try and make it clearer.
An attempt – not a guarantee.
Very simply, both domestically and in Europe you name a squad of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be foreign-trained, and players under 21 don’t need to be named in the squad.
There’s a bit more to it than that, but that’s the gist.
How certain am I this is correct?
Like, 85, 90%. I don’t work in football in any way, and some of this stuff is opaque. If anyone spots any mistakes, please let me know.
How much difference is there between the Premier League and UEFA rules?
Not too much. Where they do differ, UEFA rules are always stricter, so I’ve mainly looked at those. Provided we comply with UEFA rules, we’ll also comply with PL rules.
Are there any weird quirks of the rules that are going to annoy us for years to come, like Eric Dier being an English international but not homegrown?
We’ll get to Pape Matar Sarr soon enough.
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The basics
In UEFA competitions clubs may name a squad containing a maximum of 25 players, of which eight spaces are reserved for locally trained (homegrown) players. They can also name an unlimited number of players on List B, but we’ll get to that.
The key UEFA rules to be aware of around homegrown players are 45.04 (club-trained players) and 45.05 (association-trained players) of the Regulations of the UEFA Champions League.(https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regula...League-2023/24/Article-45-Player-lists-Online) The same rules, under the same numbers, appear in the regulations for the Europa League and Europa Conference League.
These say:
45.04 A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months.
As of right now, we have three club-trained players – Brandon Austin, Alfie Whiteman and Oliver Skipp. For next season, if he sticks around, Troy Parrott will be 22 and would be counted too.
45.05 An "association-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs affiliated to the same association as that of his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months.
As of right now, we have five association-trained players – Fraser Forster, Ben Davies, Ryan Sessegnon, James Maddison and Brennan Johnson.
Importantly, for UEFA competitions a season is defined as a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship. Remember that – we’ll come back to it.
So, to use newcomer Lucas Bergvall as an example:
He turned 18 on the 2nd February and joins us on the 1st July. So long as he is registered with us for three entire seasons (24/25, 25/26 and 26/27) then from the 27/28 season onward he would be counted as a club-trained player. The same will apply for Luka Vusković when he joins in the summer of 2025 – if he sticks with us for 3 years, he'll be a club-trained player from 2028.
The player can also go out on loan in that time and still be eligible provided they remain registered with their parent club – Arsenal did this with William Saliba, who spent most of his first 3 years at Arsenal out on loan, but is still counted as homegrown. (At least, he is for the Premier League – I can’t rule out UEFA having different rules as, unhelpfully, their squad lists don’t distinguish who’s locally trained and who’s not. I can’t see anything to contradict this, though, and I also spent over an hour looking at various Arsenal sites and can’t find anything to say differently.)
For the record, the 24/25 season starts on 17th August (https://www.premierleague.com/news/3832048).
What about Pape Matar Sarr?
It appears that Sarr will be the perennial exception to the synchronicity of the Premier League and UEFA homegrown rules going forward. Sarr joined Tottenham on 27th August 2021, 13 days after the season started. That means he can’t become club-trained.
However, as far as I understand it, he will be homegrown for the Premier League.
Why?
In the Premier League, a homegrown player is one who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21). (https://www.premierleague.com/news/3681595).
Sarr turned 21 this season and has been registered with the club for three entire seasons: 21/22 (https://www.premierleague.com/news/2247219), 22/23 (https://www.premierleague.com/news/2786707) and 23/24 (https://www.premierleague.com/news/3681595) even though he spent the first of those out on loan. So far as I can tell (and do correct me if I’m wrong) the Premier League starts its count from the close of the transfer window – not the first match of the season. (https://www.football.london/tottenh...nham-ange-postecoglou-saliba-arsenal-27716169)
So for next season thirteen of our current squad will be homegrown in the Premier League – Forster, Austin, Whiteman, Davies, Rodon, Tanganga, Sessegnon, Spence, Maddison, Skipp, Sarr, Johnson and Parrott. Of course, arrivals and departures could change that.
What’s List B for UEFA competitions?
Essentially, it’s for the club’s youth players.
Rule 45.11 states that a player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 2002 (2003 for next season) and since his 15th birthday has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.
This covers most of the academy players and young incoming players. Under 21 players like Dane Scarlett and Alfie Devine who’ve spent enough time at the club can play in UEFA competitions without having to be named in the 25 man squad. Notably, they do need to have been at the club for 2 full seasons – Alejo Veliz won’t make List B next season despite being under 21, as he only joined on 8th August 2023. Ashley Phillips (joined 5th August 2023), Will Lankshear (joined 31st August 2022) and Jude Soonsup-Bell (joined 30th January 2023) also won’t make List B until the 2025/26 season.
Does the Premier League have a List B?
No. In the Premier League it’s simpler. If a player is under 21 at the start of the year the season begins (so, born on or after 1st January 2003 for next season) then they don’t have to be registered in the 25 man squad. Simple.
Anything else we should know?
If even a third of the kids coming through make it into the first team squad on a regular basis, we’re looking good in years to come – but the club’s business isn’t done. Assuming Werner signs permanently, then with all the returning loan players and Bergvall expected to be a part of the first team squad once he arrives, we’ll have a squad of 35 senior players on 1st July. That’s quite a few more than allowed – even with Lloris, Dier and Perisic off the books, and only Brandon Austin is out of contract this summer.
GK: Forster (HG), Vicario, Whiteman (HG), Austin (HG)
DF: Davies (HG), Romero, Porro, Royal, Sessegnon (HG), van de Ven, Dragusin (U21), Udogie (U21)
MF: Hojbjerg, Lo Celso, Bissouma, Maddison (HG), Bentancur, Skipp (HG), Sarr (U21)
FW: Son, Werner (on loan), Richarlison, Solomon, Kulusevski, Gil, Johnson
23 senior players + 3 under 21s, 8 home grown players
On loan first team players returning in the summer: Ndombele, Parrott (currently U21), Rodon, Philips, Spence, Reguilon, Tanganga
Squad for remainder of 23/24 season
*
What’s this about then?
Several people have asked how the homegrown rules work for the Premier League and UEFA competitions, as we currently look likely to be playing in European competition of some sort next season. This is an attempt to try and make it clearer.
An attempt – not a guarantee.
Very simply, both domestically and in Europe you name a squad of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be foreign-trained, and players under 21 don’t need to be named in the squad.
There’s a bit more to it than that, but that’s the gist.
How certain am I this is correct?
Like, 85, 90%. I don’t work in football in any way, and some of this stuff is opaque. If anyone spots any mistakes, please let me know.
How much difference is there between the Premier League and UEFA rules?
Not too much. Where they do differ, UEFA rules are always stricter, so I’ve mainly looked at those. Provided we comply with UEFA rules, we’ll also comply with PL rules.
Are there any weird quirks of the rules that are going to annoy us for years to come, like Eric Dier being an English international but not homegrown?
We’ll get to Pape Matar Sarr soon enough.
*
The basics
In UEFA competitions clubs may name a squad containing a maximum of 25 players, of which eight spaces are reserved for locally trained (homegrown) players. They can also name an unlimited number of players on List B, but we’ll get to that.
The key UEFA rules to be aware of around homegrown players are 45.04 (club-trained players) and 45.05 (association-trained players) of the Regulations of the UEFA Champions League.(https://documents.uefa.com/r/Regula...League-2023/24/Article-45-Player-lists-Online) The same rules, under the same numbers, appear in the regulations for the Europa League and Europa Conference League.
These say:
45.04 A "club-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months.
As of right now, we have three club-trained players – Brandon Austin, Alfie Whiteman and Oliver Skipp. For next season, if he sticks around, Troy Parrott will be 22 and would be counted too.
45.05 An "association-trained player" is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs affiliated to the same association as that of his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months.
As of right now, we have five association-trained players – Fraser Forster, Ben Davies, Ryan Sessegnon, James Maddison and Brennan Johnson.
Importantly, for UEFA competitions a season is defined as a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship. Remember that – we’ll come back to it.
So, to use newcomer Lucas Bergvall as an example:
He turned 18 on the 2nd February and joins us on the 1st July. So long as he is registered with us for three entire seasons (24/25, 25/26 and 26/27) then from the 27/28 season onward he would be counted as a club-trained player. The same will apply for Luka Vusković when he joins in the summer of 2025 – if he sticks with us for 3 years, he'll be a club-trained player from 2028.
The player can also go out on loan in that time and still be eligible provided they remain registered with their parent club – Arsenal did this with William Saliba, who spent most of his first 3 years at Arsenal out on loan, but is still counted as homegrown. (At least, he is for the Premier League – I can’t rule out UEFA having different rules as, unhelpfully, their squad lists don’t distinguish who’s locally trained and who’s not. I can’t see anything to contradict this, though, and I also spent over an hour looking at various Arsenal sites and can’t find anything to say differently.)
For the record, the 24/25 season starts on 17th August (https://www.premierleague.com/news/3832048).
What about Pape Matar Sarr?
It appears that Sarr will be the perennial exception to the synchronicity of the Premier League and UEFA homegrown rules going forward. Sarr joined Tottenham on 27th August 2021, 13 days after the season started. That means he can’t become club-trained.
However, as far as I understand it, he will be homegrown for the Premier League.
Why?
In the Premier League, a homegrown player is one who, irrespective of nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons, or 36 months, before his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21). (https://www.premierleague.com/news/3681595).
Sarr turned 21 this season and has been registered with the club for three entire seasons: 21/22 (https://www.premierleague.com/news/2247219), 22/23 (https://www.premierleague.com/news/2786707) and 23/24 (https://www.premierleague.com/news/3681595) even though he spent the first of those out on loan. So far as I can tell (and do correct me if I’m wrong) the Premier League starts its count from the close of the transfer window – not the first match of the season. (https://www.football.london/tottenh...nham-ange-postecoglou-saliba-arsenal-27716169)
So for next season thirteen of our current squad will be homegrown in the Premier League – Forster, Austin, Whiteman, Davies, Rodon, Tanganga, Sessegnon, Spence, Maddison, Skipp, Sarr, Johnson and Parrott. Of course, arrivals and departures could change that.
What’s List B for UEFA competitions?
Essentially, it’s for the club’s youth players.
Rule 45.11 states that a player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 2002 (2003 for next season) and since his 15th birthday has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years, or a total of three consecutive years with a maximum of one loan period to a club from the same association for a period not longer than one year. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.
This covers most of the academy players and young incoming players. Under 21 players like Dane Scarlett and Alfie Devine who’ve spent enough time at the club can play in UEFA competitions without having to be named in the 25 man squad. Notably, they do need to have been at the club for 2 full seasons – Alejo Veliz won’t make List B next season despite being under 21, as he only joined on 8th August 2023. Ashley Phillips (joined 5th August 2023), Will Lankshear (joined 31st August 2022) and Jude Soonsup-Bell (joined 30th January 2023) also won’t make List B until the 2025/26 season.
Does the Premier League have a List B?
No. In the Premier League it’s simpler. If a player is under 21 at the start of the year the season begins (so, born on or after 1st January 2003 for next season) then they don’t have to be registered in the 25 man squad. Simple.
Anything else we should know?
If even a third of the kids coming through make it into the first team squad on a regular basis, we’re looking good in years to come – but the club’s business isn’t done. Assuming Werner signs permanently, then with all the returning loan players and Bergvall expected to be a part of the first team squad once he arrives, we’ll have a squad of 35 senior players on 1st July. That’s quite a few more than allowed – even with Lloris, Dier and Perisic off the books, and only Brandon Austin is out of contract this summer.
Squad on 1st July 2024
