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It was filth.
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$hoguN
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Because it doesn't in the way we seem to hope. Good football requires either a very attacking approach (which obviously comes with the side effect of making you defensively weaker) or a well drilled side that have crucially had time to work with each other (something we won't give time to happen).
stevenurse
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I'm never going to be afraid of airing my honest views. I personally hate beetroot. There I said it.
Also naughton and fryers are two of the worst players we've had in years.
Also naughton and fryers are two of the worst players we've had in years.
Syn_13
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Yeah, I think you're right there. I only say 4-4-2 as it's easy to identify since we are playing 4 defenders, 4 mids and 2 forwards.
I know we're getting into formation semantics here, but in our system more resembles a 4-4-1-1. Adebayor sits deep and helps out the midfield and Soldado is not afraid to sit in the hole either as he showed against United with some of his passing from the middle third. It's not far off what Redknapp was doing with VdV and Ade years ago, which I think was our best attacking combo since Berbatov and Keane.
I like what Tim is doing by having Lennon on the right and Eriksen on the left. Lennon gives us some natural width to stretch the play and Eriksen, although appearing to be the left mid is given the freedom to come inside and cause a threat. It's the role Siggurdsson had been given, but I think Eriksen is a smarter and more developed player, despite being younger.
You use the word organic to describe the way Tim uses his players, and I think that's a good word to use here. We're not as rigid as we were under AVB and players' movements aren't so restricted. He's expecting players to contribute to more than one role. It's suits the personality of our players and suits the club's style. The downside to it is that you have to have the players working as a unit or else you'll end up with a few headless chickens on the pitch getting caught out of position. Still, it's a work in progress and I'm liking what I'm seeing at the moment.
Ionman34
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Sum Monsterism
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that just makes me more curious!
Ionman34
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It's rather nasty Sum, I don't know how to forward a pm and, frankly, you wouldn't thank me if I did.
Suffice to say as a 'well hung member' you'd wince more than most.
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TottenhamMattSpur
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I need to see it now.
TottenhamMattSpur
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Unless it's someone's dick.
BringBack_leGin
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If you consider it filth then it must be truly horrifying!
Ionman34
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Hevshoots, he scores.
Sum Monsterism
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is it that sliced penis thing that did the rounds yonks back? That was pretty awful...
TottenhamMattSpur
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Yeah I don't wanna see someone's dick ta.
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can we get back to the topic now
BringBack_leGin
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As for the formation stuff, bit of a silly argument. Not much has changed in reality. AVB played two of Dembele, Sandro, Capoue and Paulinho. Since the slightly odd choice in the centre v WBA, the past two matches that is exactly what Sherwood has done too. AVB played one of Townsend (most of the time), Lennon, Lamela (very occasionally), and apart from the WBA game again, that is exactly what Sherwood has done every time. AVB played one of Holtby or Eriksen, Sherwood is too. AVB played Soldado, Sherwood is playing Soldado. Formation change/ personnel wise the only real difference is that instead of Siggurdsson or Chadli starting on the left and roaming in, we're starting Adebayor infield and he roams to the left. The former two are slower, not very direct and dally on the ball, while Adebayor is purposeful, quick, and moves the ball forward as soon as he can (when on form). Both went with whichever defendesr were available in defence as we've been hit by injury there all season.
The difference between the two lineups and shapes really is down to just that one slight change. We're playing the same amount of attacking personnel, the same amount of defensive. Therefore we can't really put the total turn around in style of play and approach to the game to formation of personnel. What can it be then? Why are we suddenly having less possession, creating more chances, and being involved in more open games (and that's judged over the course of 4 matches against 4 very different sides with very different styles)? It must be on something in training, something in the instructions, something in the team talk, i.e. something we have absolutely no access to whatsoever and have no way of knowing, understanding or being aware of at all. Ergo, pretty much every discussion on this board comparing the two managers is pretty much obsolete as they all make assumptions with no basis available.
Ultimately, as fans, there are only two things we can compare. The points on the board/ trophy haul at the end of the season, and the quality of football in front of us. The first is easy and sprouts from fact, the second is subjective as we all have our own ideas about what we want to see and in some cases are quite polarised in our views. Frankly, I've enjoyed the fact that we've scored over a 1/3 of our entire goal haul in just the past 4 league games (just 1/5 of our games so far), while conceding an average of a goal a game (1.3 goals a game under AVB this season). I'm enjoying seeing us have players in the opposition box on a regular basis, and equally importantly, balls going into the opposition box. I'd like a bit more in the way of work off the ball, and by Tim's comments I think he agrees, and some more composure in our passing, but both of those things are products of confidence as much as anything else, and you know what breeds confidence? Winning games and scoring goals.
As far as I'm concerned, early signs are good. Sherwood is a novice manager and has taken a difficult job in a difficult league, and made a very good start. As with all things in life, experience will improve him and his approach, so if this past four games is merely him finding his feet as a manager then I definitely look forward to what is to come.
The difference between the two lineups and shapes really is down to just that one slight change. We're playing the same amount of attacking personnel, the same amount of defensive. Therefore we can't really put the total turn around in style of play and approach to the game to formation of personnel. What can it be then? Why are we suddenly having less possession, creating more chances, and being involved in more open games (and that's judged over the course of 4 matches against 4 very different sides with very different styles)? It must be on something in training, something in the instructions, something in the team talk, i.e. something we have absolutely no access to whatsoever and have no way of knowing, understanding or being aware of at all. Ergo, pretty much every discussion on this board comparing the two managers is pretty much obsolete as they all make assumptions with no basis available.
Ultimately, as fans, there are only two things we can compare. The points on the board/ trophy haul at the end of the season, and the quality of football in front of us. The first is easy and sprouts from fact, the second is subjective as we all have our own ideas about what we want to see and in some cases are quite polarised in our views. Frankly, I've enjoyed the fact that we've scored over a 1/3 of our entire goal haul in just the past 4 league games (just 1/5 of our games so far), while conceding an average of a goal a game (1.3 goals a game under AVB this season). I'm enjoying seeing us have players in the opposition box on a regular basis, and equally importantly, balls going into the opposition box. I'd like a bit more in the way of work off the ball, and by Tim's comments I think he agrees, and some more composure in our passing, but both of those things are products of confidence as much as anything else, and you know what breeds confidence? Winning games and scoring goals.
As far as I'm concerned, early signs are good. Sherwood is a novice manager and has taken a difficult job in a difficult league, and made a very good start. As with all things in life, experience will improve him and his approach, so if this past four games is merely him finding his feet as a manager then I definitely look forward to what is to come.
Ionman34
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No, this was a kind of disease thing. Nasty.
Ionman34
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Sorry.
TottenhamMattSpur
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Couldn't disagree more I'm afraid buddy.
AVB plays 2 Centre mids very deep them 3 in front almost always with the outside players of that 3 playing the inverted role. Which was useless.
Nothing like what Tim has done thus far where he's put more emphasis on the wings and attack rather than the protection of the back 4.
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