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Jaispurs

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May 11, 2005
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Being a long standing member of SC I have stayed away for the last few months.

It seems that there was a furore for mentioning Harry Redknapp, 4-4-2, attacking football, Spurs way. Negative repping and endless abuse hurled at the poster or commenter.
i wrote a post when Spurs beat Man U last season saying I was wrong about AVB. I wasn't. I was right all along.

I was so bored going to WHL this season. I had fallen out of love with the club. The football was dull as dishwater and nothing was happening.
We were so predictable, open to one pass through and bang - goal.

I'm so glad we have our Tottenham back. Forget all this possession stats, text book drivel spouting and look at what happens on the turf.

I expect a torrent of abuse for this but am glad that poison has gone and want TS to succeed to shut all the text book. 4-2-3-1 tacticians up.

Enjoy the game for what it is, fun. Sport isn't worth watching if its Geoffrey Boycott defending an innings all the time - 0 runs after 6 hours at the crease.

I like Petersen, Ginola, Bale, Lennon, Adebayor - genius yet can always let you down too. That's the excitement of the game.

If you like tactical genius then go and support Chelski - dull as hell
 
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Gedson100

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Feb 13, 2012
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Winning is where it counts.

I doubt Arsenal fans in their 1-0 era gave a shit about the style.
I doubt Chelsea fans in Mourinho's first spell gave a shit about style.

They cared about trophies and glory.

We are lucky, we have a ton of quality attractive styled players, we can enjoy our play, but if results don't follow, then nobody will be content & the moaning will become rampant soon enough. If our side can reach their potential, and they are largely young so they could, then we could achieve success, but pragmatism may well be necessary along the way.

If we can play nice football and achieve then i'm all for it, but success should be our sole aim.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Aug 13, 2012
11,201
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Being a long standing member of SC I have stayed away for the last few months.

It seems that there was a furore for mentioning Harry Redknapp, 4-4-2, attacking football, Spurs way. Negative repping and endless abuse hurled at the poster or commenter.

I'm wrote a post when Spurs beat Man U last season saying I was wrong about AVB. I wasn't. I was right all along.

I was so bored going to WHL this season. I had fallen out of love with the club. The football was dull as dishwater and nothing was happening.
We were so predictable, open to one pass through and bang - goal.

I'm so glad we have our Tottenham back. Forget all this possession stats, text book drivel spouting and look at what happens on the turf.

I expect a torrent of abuse for this but am glad that poison has gone and want TS to succeed to shut all the text book. 4-2-3-1 tacticians up.

Enjoy the game for what it is, fun. Sport isn't worth watching if its Geoffrey Boycott defending an innings all the one.

I like Petersen, Ginola, Bale, Lennon, Adebayor - genius yet can always let you down too. That's the excitement of the game.

If you like tactical genius then go and support Chelski - dull as hell

This statement highlights some of the issue, apparently people can't accept that tactical genius can go hand in hand with good football and success.
 

Sum Monsterism

Looking for an anecdote
Jun 12, 2012
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Looks at silverware, looks at file marked 'long term plan'. I love flair, but calling AVB "poison" (or, even, still bashing Arry or the guys before him) don't elp no-one.

meh. COYS
 

Ironskullll

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Nov 15, 2010
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This statement highlights some of the issue, apparently people can't accept that tactical genius can go hand in hand with good football and success.
Well said. Arthur Rowe was a tactical genius. He invented push and run. Bill Nicholson was a tactical genius too.
 

Jaispurs

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May 11, 2005
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Yes they were tactical genius' when the game was about glory not money
 

jezz

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Aug 21, 2013
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Every fan has opinion and this is the internet.
Saying go support chelski, then your no better than the posters your moaning about
 

Syn_13

Fly On, Little Wing
Jul 17, 2008
14,851
20,659
Being a long standing member of SC I have stayed away for the last few months.

It seems that there was a furore for mentioning Harry Redknapp, 4-4-2, attacking football, Spurs way. Negative repping and endless abuse hurled at the poster or commenter.
i wrote a post when Spurs beat Man U last season saying I was wrong about AVB. I wasn't. I was right all along.

I was so bored going to WHL this season. I had fallen out of love with the club. The football was dull as dishwater and nothing was happening.
We were so predictable, open to one pass through and bang - goal.

I'm so glad we have our Tottenham back. Forget all this possession stats, text book drivel spouting and look at what happens on the turf.

I expect a torrent of abuse for this but am glad that poison has gone and want TS to succeed to shut all the text book. 4-2-3-1 tacticians up.

Enjoy the game for what it is, fun. Sport isn't worth watching if its Geoffrey Boycott defending an innings all the time - 0 runs after 6 hours at the crease.

I like Petersen, Ginola, Bale, Lennon, Adebayor - genius yet can always let you down too. That's the excitement of the game.

If you like tactical genius then go and support Chelski - dull as hell

I think there's a balance that can be found. Look at teams like Bayern, Dortmund, Ajax and Juve who play within a tactical system yet produce exciting displays of football. I think we went from one extreme to another, and possibly back again.

'Arry told players to be free and express themselves, hence the "run abaaht a bit" comments. We were fun to watch and played exciting, counter-attacking football. AVB then decided to make us a possession team in the hope of turning us into a "thinking man's team". He stripped away the expression and freedom and quite probably micro-managed players' movements and decisions on the pitch. It was like he was playing a game of Football Manager. To an extent it made us well organised and hard to break down, but it also made us predictable, boring and easy to defend/counter against. Once teams learned how we operated we became undone, and AVB refused to go with a plan B. Plus this apparent isolation of players/staff didn't help the guy either.

The jury is still out on whether Timmy has some tactical nouse in that noggin of his, but he appears to be going back to the Redknapp way of attacking football. I can see why he didn't get on with Hoddle if his philosophy is to play gung-ho football. I'm not at all saying it's a bad thing, but I do worry that after the honeymoon period we may find ourselves wanting for a bit of stability.

Formations like 4-2-3-1 could easily work, a lot of the best teams who play good football use it. AVB just made it way too rigid. Now Tim is playing an old fashion 4-4-2 which is great for some games and can only truly work when we have a player like Adebayor, when he's got his good work ethic boots on, partnering the number 9. However, I wonder whether, unlike AVB, Tim'll have a plan B in case it doesn't work. If he doesn't then eventually we'll get found out and exposed at the back. If he does then hats off to him, he may make it work after all.
 

TheSecretNonFootballer

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Oct 31, 2013
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Yes they were tactical genius' when the game was about glory not money

That's the problem really. It's become a game where winning is more important than anything else as that means most income. It's created a culture of winning by any means necessary.
 

dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
33,985
81,903
Being a long standing member of SC I have stayed away for the last few months.

It seems that there was a furore for mentioning Harry Redknapp, 4-4-2, attacking football, Spurs way. Negative repping and endless abuse hurled at the poster or commenter.
i wrote a post when Spurs beat Man U last season saying I was wrong about AVB. I wasn't. I was right all along.

I was so bored going to WHL this season. I had fallen out of love with the club. The football was dull as dishwater and nothing was happening.
We were so predictable, open to one pass through and bang - goal.

I'm so glad we have our Tottenham back. Forget all this possession stats, text book drivel spouting and look at what happens on the turf.

I expect a torrent of abuse for this but am glad that poison has gone and want TS to succeed to shut all the text book. 4-2-3-1 tacticians up.

Enjoy the game for what it is, fun. Sport isn't worth watching if its Geoffrey Boycott defending an innings all the time - 0 runs after 6 hours at the crease.

I like Petersen, Ginola, Bale, Lennon, Adebayor - genius yet can always let you down too. That's the excitement of the game.

If you like tactical genius then go and support Chelski - dull as hell

You can't really moan about people being abusive then say whoever wants something different to you should go support another team.

If you receive genuinely abusive messages report them to the mods but most people aren't getting upset by abusive posts but ones that disagree with them and challenge them.

Do you seriously care about neg rep?

I tried to support AVB and while I argued time alone won't bring success I wanted him to achieve. His sacking was a feeling of relief for me though as I just wasn't enjoying being a Spurs fan as much.

The emotion I got from the Utd game including the last excruciating 15 minutes made me realise how passionate I can get about football again, I loved it.

I hope Sherwood succeeds and if he doesn't the next manager knows how to get the best out of our squad. It's not simply about playing attacking football but seeing the players care like they did on Wednesday was fantastic to see and long may it continue.
 

NEVILLEB

Well-Known Member
Nov 6, 2006
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The secret is to keep posting your views and take the abuse.

Then when you've been proved right they look like total idiots.
 

Gbspurs

Gatekeeper for debates, King of the plonkers
Jan 27, 2011
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Being a long standing member of SC I have stayed away for the last few months.

It seems that there was a furore for mentioning Harry Redknapp, 4-4-2, attacking football, Spurs way. Negative repping and endless abuse hurled at the poster or commenter.
i wrote a post when Spurs beat Man U last season saying I was wrong about AVB. I wasn't. I was right all along.

I was so bored going to WHL this season. I had fallen out of love with the club. The football was dull as dishwater and nothing was happening.
We were so predictable, open to one pass through and bang - goal.

I'm so glad we have our Tottenham back. Forget all this possession stats, text book drivel spouting and look at what happens on the turf.

I expect a torrent of abuse for this but am glad that poison has gone and want TS to succeed to shut all the text book. 4-2-3-1 tacticians up.

Enjoy the game for what it is, fun. Sport isn't worth watching if its Geoffrey Boycott defending an innings all the time - 0 runs after 6 hours at the crease.

I like Petersen, Ginola, Bale, Lennon, Adebayor - genius yet can always let you down too. That's the excitement of the game.

If you like tactical genius then go and support Chelski - dull as hell

Might be about to mug myself off but who dis?
 

Mr Pink

SC Supporter
Aug 25, 2010
54,770
99,330
People will always have different views on what's best for the Club they support. There aren't necessarily right and wrong ways all the time, more preferences.

But everybody is entitled to an opinion - you don't have to agree with it, but you should respect the fact that we're all Spurs and we're all entitled to an opinion on such matters.

Telling others to go and support Chelsea because they don't concur with your viewpoint is totally hypocritical in terms of what you're complaining about...not posting for fear of abuse etc.

Do you not see the irony in that?
 

dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
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81,903
If you can't cope with a bit e-abuse how the hell do you cope with daily life
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Dinghy

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Jun 22, 2005
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Well said. Arthur Rowe was a tactical genius. He invented push and run. Bill Nicholson was a tactical genius too.
And part of Sir Bill's genius was to ensure that his sides played entertaining football.

Bill Nicholson said:
We must always consider our supporters, for without them there would be no professional football. It would be better to have more fans watching football the way they like it played, rather than have a few fans watching football the way we would like it played.
Bill Nicholson said:
The public can't be kidded. They know what they want to see, what is good and what is bad and what is just average. At least I believe they do.
 
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