Who benefits and doesn't from a 3-5-2?

[robpalmer135]

Reggie and Sess look tailor-made for the LWB role. I wouldn't be completely amazed if Conte thought that Bergwijn and/or Lucas could do the RWB role. Doherty might look better as a wing-back as well, and Davies would presumably play left centre back which I think is probably his best position.

I think Bergwijn would have the ability to convert into a wing back and could also play either side. He did it with Moses at Chelsea.

 

[Nerine]

So would a returning Gareth Bale be effective in a Conte team?

 

[George94]

I think Bergwijn would have the ability to convert into a wing back and could also play either side. He did it with Moses at Chelsea.

Worth noting at Inter, Conte played most of the season with Ivan Perisic at LWB.

32 years old, had been a very attacking left winger his whole career, I have faith Bergwijn could compete for that RWB role.

 

[dtxspurs]

I think Bergwijn would have the ability to convert into a wing back and could also play either side. He did it with Moses at Chelsea.

If I remember correctly, Conte played a 3-4-3 at Chelsea. He played with Hazard & Pedro on the wings in addition to wing backs. He played with only Matic & Kante in the middle. So he'll play some variation depending on what players he has whether its 3 in the midfield or 3 up front.

 

[George94]

If I remember correctly, Conte played a 3-4-3 at Chelsea. He played with Hazard & Pedro on the wings in addition to wing backs. He played with only Matic & Kante in the middle. So he'll play some variation depending on what players he has whether its 3 in the midfield or 3 up front.

This is the reason he was able to get away with only playing two central midfielders in that system.

 

[Sevens]

probably - but he isn't going to be better than Son, and Son is not moving to a wing-back role.

So, that leaves Dele with limited playing options under Conte.

I wouldn't be so sure. Son was quite poor during the second half of the season and he has never really played that well with Kane up top in a two striker formation.

But it is all speculation. Conte hasn't joined yet and we don't even know if he'll play 5-3-2.

 

[robpalmer135]

So would a returning Gareth Bale be effective in a Conte team?

If you are playing a front 2 and its 2/4 from Kane, Son, Bale, Alli with one of Parrot/Scarlett 5th man and you decide the funds are better spent elsewhere, I think we are ok. The you are either in a position where you are happy with the development of Parrot/Scarlett or you bring in another player in Summer 2022.

 

[dtxspurs]

This is the reason he was able to get away with only playing two central midfielders in that system.

Very fair. And I think I rate Lo Celso & Ndombele higher than Bergwijn anyway so I'd rather make it work with those 2.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Personally I'm a big fan of the 3-5-2/3-4-3 type of formations in the current day, when done well.

As rightly said we were probably at peak effectiveness playing 3-4-2-1 under Poch in the year we finished second to Conte's Chelsea.

It's a system that often allows a team to be better than the sum of its parts. Look at the transformation of Chelsea under Tuchel, most notably their CBs who were poor under Lampard.

It lessens the need for an elite CB like Van Dijk or Dias and gives the team a better chance of getting a grip of possession when they need it. Ideally we can upgrade this summer with a couple of top class ones but I genuinely think Conte would get a better tune out of our current CBs too.

The key positions will be CB/CM/RB and obviously striker if Kane leaves. If we get those right I can see Conte making us very formidable as a team.

 

[robpalmer135]

If I remember correctly, Conte played a 3-4-3 at Chelsea. He played with Hazard & Pedro on the wings in addition to wing backs. He played with only Matic & Kante in the middle. So he'll play some variation depending on what players he has whether its 3 in the midfield or 3 up front.

At Inter he has played primarily a 3-5-2 but often played a 3-4-2-1 & 3-4-1-2 .

 

[robpalmer135]

I would rather we spend bigger in this 4 spots and bring in guys who will start right away and make an impact vs spreading it throughout the team.

Goalkeeper
Lloris, Whiteman, New GK

Centre Backs
Dier, Alderwireld, Rodon, Tanganga, Davies, New CB, Youngster

Wingbacks
Doherty, Bergwijn, Regulion, Sessegnon, New RWB

Defensive Midfielders
Hojbjerg, Skipp, Devine

Central Midfielders
Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks, New CM, White

Forwards
Kane, Son, Bale, Alli, Parrot


Johnstone, Celik, White, Sabitzer be my ideals.

 

[danielneeds]

I would rather we spend bigger in this 4 spots and bring in guys who will start right away and make an impact vs spreading it throughout the team.

Goalkeeper
Lloris, Whiteman, New GK

Centre Backs
Dier, Alderwireld, Rodon, Tanganga, Davies, New CB, Youngster

Wingbacks
Doherty, Bergwijn, Regulion, Sessegnon, New RWB

Defensive Midfielders
Hojbjerg, Skipp, Devine

Central Midfielders
Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks, New CM, White

Forwards
Kane, Son, Bale, Alli, Parrot


Johnstone, Celik, White, Sabitzer be my ideals.

Bale's not coming back by all accounts. We're gonna need to bring in a forward, maybe two.

 

[robpalmer135]

Bale's not coming back by all accounts. We're gonna need to bring in a forward, maybe two.

Edouard from Celtic has 1year left on his deal.

 

[journeyman]

I could see something like this under Conte with our current personnel:

—————Lloris
——Toby—Rodon—Davies
Lucas——Hojbjerg——Reguilon
——Lo Celso——Ndombele
———-Kane——Son

We obviously need more quality centre halves but Doherty and Sessegnon are plausible alternative wing-backs, hopefully a role for Skipp too in the middle. We would see less wide forwards than under Jose or Poch - so less need for likes of Lamela, Bale, Bergwijn maybe (although Stevie, like Lucas, could maybe become a converted wing-back too). Dele could be a back-up to Son up front in this squad.

 

[rez9000]

Does anyone see a place for Skippy? I hope there is one, anyway.

 

[EQP]

Does anyone see a place for Skippy? I hope there is one, anyway.

Conte will love Skippy. He doesn't hide, he doesn't shy away from responsibility and he's young enough to adapt and learn from whatever Conte needs him to do. He also has the engine and technical ability to work both sides of the ball. He can help defensively and can bomb up the field or play that quick pass to start a counter.

Below is one of my favorite clips of Skipp

 

[journeyman]

With us likely not pursuing Vinicius, we still face the issue of securing a decent back-up for Kane. This may be slightly easier now that Kane has indicated he’s interested in pastures new - it makes the prospect of being a back-up seem short term, with a realistic pathway to emerging as a first choice. One thing though; Parrott isn’t ready. He wasn’t able to break into Milwall first team this season so he isn’t ready yet for our first team squad.

 

[Huddlebone]

Ndombele: will benfit alot with Conte and remember I have hated on Ndombele 99.9% of my posts this season. Will all deeper and play the Brosovic role and I think he will be really good this season.
Hojberg: Will become the big looser in the midfield, conte playes a man to man defence with the 3 central mids, and want the 2 infront to be able to have a really good passing foot when they win the ball in the counter-attacks, witch Hojberg lacks (will be playing against teams that we will fall back againt) in the vidal role.
Lo Celso: Big winner. Will fit perfect in a man to man defence. With good work rate and passing fot he will take the barella role just fine.

 

[cockerel downunder]

Does anyone see a place for Skippy? I hope there is one, anyway.

I just worry he won’t have much time for the young players he seems to favour experience from what I’ve seen but please correct me if I’m wrong…

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

To be honest a lot of our players suit a 3-5-2

Davies LCB (wouldn't trust him in a 2)
Tanganga or foyth (perfect for the rcb)
Dier dav and rodon would all be more comfortable in a 3 (with a bit of practice)

All of our full backs (aurier, Doherty, sess, reguillon) are better suited to wing back roles

Central midfield gets a bit tricky but I could easily see Skipp as the holding, PEH as ball winner high up and lo celso/ndombele as the third. Not sure where winks would play in a 3.

Up front Kane, son, Dele and bale would be a nice fit for two up top, Dele and son being the only two who would be a bit samey if played together.

The big problem is playing out from the back, lloris is not good at this and our centre backs (Toby apart) don't have the passing ability.

The ones who would miss out would be Lucas ( not a wing back no matter how you dress him up), lamela (can't see where he would fit)

Bergwijn could be a great rwb if aurier goes.

Weirdly enough we wouldn't need to sign that many players with this system. A top centre back and a ball playing midfielder should suffice, perhaps a goalkeeper whose good with the ball at his feet as well. At a pinch maybe a target man.

With the players we have, Conte, for his playing style alone, makes a lot of sense.