What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 21/22

[hellava_tough]

Yes. Gilmour has had a terrible season with Norwich and their fans would prefer to see one of their own young players

That's really poor; that a PL club has got another PL club's youngster at the club, as a regular starter for them.

Don't Norwich have any of their own academy players?

Are they too cheap-skate to sign a midfielder with their PL tv-money?

It doesn't sit right with me.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I really wish I could agree with you but can't unfortunately. Dele was a limited player, who thrived in a certain role with the right players around, Rashford has had 1 bad season and is still only 24, plus, most youth football watchers never thought he would make it at Utd in the first place. Wilshere's career and development was destroyed by injuries.

The only hopes they don't develop into top 4 players imo, are overplayed at a young age (only a concern for Saka), lack of quality senior players around them to help develop their game (mentally and tactically) and injuries that can happen to anyone.

Regardless of whether or not any or all of Arsenal's young players become consistent top 4 level players, I'm reasonably confident that none of them will come remotely close to Harry Kane's world class - even generational - level. They'd be doing well even to get remotely close to Sonny's level.

So I'd far rather have a soon-to-be 29 year old Kane and soon-to-be 30 year old Son than any of their young players. Kane, in particular, is getting better with age. His game has never depended upon speed across the ground so, barring serious injury, he has another good 6 years in him at top level.

 

[chas vs dave]

The goons were phenomenal and chock full of world class talent at that point whether any of us like it or not.

I was being flippant.

 

[mil1lion]

Our issue was always inexperience under Poch and arsenal are facing the same issues. That's why I have been fairly confident that they won't finish the season strong with the pressure of top 4. They have too many young players they rely on to get over the line. Saka for example is already a key player but we saw in the penalty shootout he's not ready for the pressure yet. Barca for example have the likes of Pedri and Fati who are key players but they still have Pique, Alba, Busquets and even Alves is back. They've been there and done it all which makes the world of difference.

I think we've entered a point now where we have the experience with players who have grown with the club. Players who have got top 4 multiple seasons, played a CL final, Carabao Cup final and challenged for the league title. Having Lloris, Dier, Davies, Son and Kane around still is so valuable. Sure you need to look after the future too but we've had to develop the experience because we've neglected experienced signings too much. It means we've had to wait for players we signed (or developed in the case of Kane) to gain that experience with us. The thing that's really missing is a couple of players who have won titles. Get a couple of signings like that along with some more young talent and I think we can win things under Conte.

Wenger did great at arsenal but he did inherit an experienced defence which was rock solid. He started out with counter attacking football built off that defence. He wasn't able to rebuild that defence as they retired though. His biggest weakness was building a solid defence which started to catch up with him. He also struck gold with some world class French players at a time when France dominated world football. Once they went he really struggled, particularly in central midfield where they lacked physical presence. I still see that soft centre under Arteta and lack of leaders. I mean they stripped Xhaka of the captaincy at one point, stripped Auba and sold him and have Xhaka captain again. He's not exactly the most dependable person for the job though.

We have the better balance of the 2 clubs. We still have early to mid 20s players , late teens to early 20s on loan along with the late 20s to 30s players. I'm sure Levy will want to continue to spend on younger players but hopefully he gets (or allows Paratici to get) the winners Conte needs too. I do feel there's some of those either out of contract or running down their contracts this summer though. I'm sure he'll be happy to sign off on them if they're not too expensive. Spend the biggermoney on more players like Romero, Bentancur and Kulusevski but pick up some experience too along with them.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

That's really poor; that a PL club has got another PL club's youngster at the club, as a regular starter for them.

Don't Norwich have any of their own academy players?

Are they too cheap-skate to sign a midfielder with their PL tv-money?

It doesn't sit right with me.

They needed someone to replace Skipp and at low cost, but it's also pretty common in the PL: Gallagher at Palace, Broja at Southampton, Willock at Newcastle (before he signed) etc. Probably a load more if I put any thought into it...

 

[mil1lion]

I was actually thinking we could loan Norwich Sarr next season. A season in the championship has to be better than staying in France on loan. I doubt he's ready for the first team yet. We rarely loan to other PL clubs but it isn't the worst idea. Especially if they can't play against us but they could help get points off our rivals.

 

[ERO]

I was actually thinking we could loan Norwich Sarr next season. A season in the championship has to be better than staying in France on loan. I doubt he's ready for the first team yet. We rarely loan to other PL clubs but it isn't the worst idea. Especially if they can't play against us but they could help get points off our rivals.

Like... Millwall?

 

[mil1lion]

Like... Millwall?

Need to read the full post, I was saying it's not a bad idea to loan to other PL clubs like others do.

 

[McFlash]

They needed someone to replace Skipp and at low cost, but it's also pretty common in the PL: Gallagher at Palace, Broja at Southampton, Willock at Newcastle (before he signed) etc. Probably a load more if I put any thought into it...

And how many times have we all, on here, said about one of our youngsters "he could do with a lower Prem loan"?
It's just the pecking order of the football tree.

If they stopped the top clubs loaning out youngsters to the smaller clubs, everyone suffers imo.

 

[ButchCassidy]

I was actually thinking we could loan Norwich Sarr next season. A season in the championship has to be better than staying in France on loan. I doubt he's ready for the first team yet. We rarely loan to other PL clubs but it isn't the worst idea. Especially if they can't play against us but they could help get points off our rivals.

I don’t see what he could possibly learn in the Championship other than how to get his shins kicked. He’s not a youth team player who needs a year to adjust to playing against full-grown athletes, he’s been playing regularly against the likes of Messi, Verrati, Tchouameni, David, Kamara… if he requires another loan, it needs to be a step up, not an insult.

 

[Col_M]

That's really poor; that a PL club has got another PL club's youngster at the club, as a regular starter for them.

Don't Norwich have any of their own academy players?

Are they too cheap-skate to sign a midfielder with their PL tv-money?

It doesn't sit right with me.

I think it’s their business model. They don’t expect to survive in the premiership so they don’t spend beyond their means. Loans can be successful but it’s always a gamble and actually a cheaper one than a permanent signing. And I’m guessing they didn’t have the quality from their academy otherwise that would definitely have been their model. I also imagine that a Chelsea loanee is likely well funded from the Chelsea end because they have such a large pool of talent that they want to get playing time for.

 

[mil1lion]

I don’t see what he could possibly learn in the Championship other than how to get his shins kicked. He’s not a youth team player who needs a year to adjust to playing against full-grown athletes, he’s been playing regularly against the likes of Messi, Verrati, Tchouameni, David, Kamara… if he requires another loan, it needs to be a step up, not an insult.

It didnt do Skipp any harm though. He's still only 19 but to be fair I haven't followed him to know where he is with his development. I just don't think Ligue 1 is the best step before the Premier League. We don't have great history with players there. At least with the championship you acclimatise to the English game and he's capable of starting regularly which is what a young player needs. I'm not sure what PL club would start a 19 year old in their midfield.

 

[danielneeds]

I don’t see what he could possibly learn in the Championship other than how to get his shins kicked. He’s not a youth team player who needs a year to adjust to playing against full-grown athletes, he’s been playing regularly against the likes of Messi, Verrati, Tchouameni, David, Kamara… if he requires another loan, it needs to be a step up, not an insult.

He’s been playing for a team that’s beem struggling badly all year. We saw what a loan for a Championship contender did for Skippy’s confidence. Winning is a habit and going to a team expected to win each week could really help him.

 

[hellava_tough]

I think it’s their business model. They don’t expect to survive in the premiership so they don’t spend beyond their means. Loans can be successful but it’s always a gamble and actually a cheaper one than a permanent signing. And I’m guessing they didn’t have the quality from their academy otherwise that would definitely have been their model. I also imagine that a Chelsea loanee is likely well funded from the Chelsea end because they have such a large pool of talent that they want to get playing time for.

I think my main issue was that he wasn't very good.

Norwich lack ambition. I'm not saying that they should bankrupt themselves trying to stay in the PL, but what's the long term plan?

 

[McFlash]

I think my main issue was that he wasn't very good.

Norwich lack ambition. I'm not saying that they should bankrupt themselves trying to stay in the PL, but what's the long term plan?

Didn't Fulham refuse someone on loan off us when they were up, stating that they didn't want to improve someone else's player.
They went straight back down rather pathetically so I think sometimes, taking the odd player on loan from a 'bigger' team can do the newbies the world of good.

 

[Col_M]

I think my main issue was that he wasn't very good.

Norwich lack ambition. I'm not saying that they should bankrupt themselves trying to stay in the PL, but what's the long term plan?

i think that IS their overall strategy. To stay in touching distance so that they can win promotion and get the windfall payments from being in the prem, then use the parachute payments and loans to fund the push for promotion. It’s almost like they have found their place in the pecking order and are happy to stick with it.

 

[HNIM]

Seems like this is a copy pasta

And if you look at his profile picture, he's wearing a Boise State sweatshirt. Trolling.

 

[hellava_tough]

i think that IS their overall strategy. To stay in touching distance so that they can win promotion and get the windfall payments from being in the prem, then use the parachute payments and loans to fund the push for promotion. It’s almost like they have found their place in the pecking order and are happy to stick with it.

Fair enough.

I'd just like to see them put some money aside everytime they go up and eventually spend their 'warchest', in an effort to get a foothold in the PL.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Didn't Fulham refuse someone on loan off us when they were up, stating that they didn't want to improve someone else's player.
They went straight back down rather pathetically so I think sometimes, taking the odd player on loan from a 'bigger' team can do the newbies the world of good.

Sess ?

 

[McFlash]

Sess ?

I think so but my memory is atrocious, so it may well have been Skipp for all I know.
I just remember their chairman coming out with a statement that made him sound a bit too big for his boots.