We need a miracle

[dondo]

That list brings back some real nightmares.

Remember feeling sick as a dog during the Everton 4-1 game, my 1st ever hangover. April 95 I would have only just turned 15

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Really? So why have we stagnated the way we have, why have Napoli only won one Coppa Italia, why have Roma won nothing during their recent resurgence?

I do not buy into this 'qualify for the CL and everything else will fall into place'. You have to earn everything else in this game and thinking one thing will lead to a most wonderful domino effect is lunacy. Anyway, I'm not talking about the 'ocassional cup' nor regular CL qualification but regular trophies, the sought of success (1960 - 1973 & 1980 - 1984) that made this club what it is. Winning trophies guarantees fame and unforgettable memories, where as CL football guarantees an increase revenues and exposure, nothing else.

Regardless as to whether we qualify for the CL or not we need to start winning trophies and soon.

The 3 FA cups won in the 60's we finished 1st, 3rd, 3rd...

I don't want to be a mid table team that win an occasional trophy. I want to be a team capable of winning every competition we enter. Build a team capable of competing regularly for top-4, and we will win trophies along the way.

Last 20 FA cups: 18 winners from the big-5. That is not a coincidence.

 

[ginola99]

We've done well to get to where we are now, we've qualified for Europe in 8 of the last 9 seasons, which when considering only two European qualifications were achieved in the 15 years prior to that, it's not bad at all!

We all know that the CL is the next step and quite rightly aspire to achieve this but we cannot take our eye off winning trophies or achieve the former at the expense of the latter, it is complete madness. We can achieve both, I think our youngsters have shown the ability, all that is needed now is the consistency.

 

[eddiev14]

Empassioned statement, and I agree that it would be nice to win a few more cups.

Are you basically saying that, during weeks where we have a league and cup game together we should prioritise the cup game?

 

[southparkspurs]

history says different mate:

1997 Premier League 6th (59 points from 38 games)
1998 Premier League 4th (63 points from 38 games)
1999 Premier League 3rd (75 points from 38 games)

and FA Cup wins in 96/97 & 99/00 if memory serves

it gives me no pleasure to highlight this, but it's not just oil money is it?

During that late 90's period chelsea were massively overspending on wages and running the club into the ground financially.. they were more or less doing the same as they have been since Russian money but on smaller scale..

Players like vialli gullit and zola didn't join them for their illustrious history!!

 

[ginola99]

Empassioned statement, and I agree that it would be nice to win a few more cups.

Are you basically saying that, during weeks where we have a league and cup game together we should prioritise the cup game?

No. When I say trophies I include the league title and CL, however deluded that may sound. Yes finish as high as possible by all means but don't forget the cups, start winning them. Whilst our local rivals' success has embittered many of our fans we forget that we have won just 3 trophies over a 30 year period, in the 30 years prior to that we won 11 trophies.

As things stand we desperately need to start grabbing what we can.

 

[dorsetyid]

Winning Cups equals a winning mentality. It is how Atletico got where they are and they regularly sell their best players. I would love to see us take the Europa League and the F.A cup seriously next season.

 

[spurs mental]

I'd love us to have a good go at Europa and the FA Cup next season. Sick of not winning anything and the hype around 4th place, especially from Sky.

Win one of them and beat Woolwich and Chelsea again, take the rest of the season as it comes.

 

[ginola99]

Winning Cups equals a winning mentality. It is how Atletico got where they are and they regularly sell their best players. I would love to see us take the Europa League and the F.A cup seriously next season.

It was a very impressive rise. In 5 years they won 2 EL, 1 Copa del Rey and 1 La Liga whilst also finishing runners up in the CL, if we did that it would arguably the most successful period in our history! Certainly up there with the glory glory days.

 

[eddiev14]

No. When I say trophies I include the league title and CL, however deluded that may sound. Yes finish as high as possible by all means but don't forget the cups, start winning them. Whilst our local rivals' success has embittered many of our fans we forget that we have won just 3 trophies over a 30 year period, in the 30 years prior to that we won 11 trophies.

As things stand we desperately need to start grabbing what we can.

Ok. How do we go about doing that?

Obviously it's not going to be as simple as Wish it, Want it, Do it.

(Brian Griffin)

 

[Gilzeanking]

Which is why I can't for the life of me understand this snobbery towards the Europa League.

I just don't think snobbery is the right word at all .

1. I don't need to repeat the figures for EL teams dipping in Prem form when compared to when they were not in that competition . This fact is clear and undeniable .

2. Schneiderlin said clearly he wouldn't be going to just an EL team . It counts to the players , simple as that . VdV came because we were in CL .Players won't see us as a good prospect cos we won the FA Cup ! How can we compete with CL clubs in recruitment ?

3. We haven't come vaguely close to success in EL . Not within a country mile and god knows recent managers have dragged our finest to the furthest reaches of Europe searching for success. Even if we look good after the groups vs other EL teams . Down drop big CL clubs ahead of us . We have been in and around the top 4 for years now . I expect we were even in the top 4 for a nano second or two this season .

4. The EL is 19 matches to win . Precisely half the Prem fixture list . A massive slog .

5. Great , I love the Churchillian speeches about how we should be winning the Prem not just aiming for top 4 . But its just dream/fantasy talk sadly.

6. If we had won the Capital One Cup are you seriously saying you'd be happier now than having a top 4 place and looking forward to next season in CL... the chance to attract exciting players and the extra money ?

Whether we fans are snobbish about the Cups or not , the club isn't . Its generally our senior team that gets knocked out in the cups . Yes , maybe the players aren't doing their best (we struggled even with our piss easy run to the Capital One final).

Maybe the snobbery accusation could be better directed at the players .

 

[wadewill]

Just a quick note on point 3.

Sevilla and Dnipro both came 2nd in their groups, most definitely not CL teams dropping down.

We should be good enough to win this competition, the mentality of the whole club and possibly the country towards this needs to change. Simple as that

Or the CL will be even more of a closed shop in England with just the Top 3 qualifying.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

During that late 90's period chelsea were massively overspending on wages and running the club into the ground financially.. they were more or less doing the same as they have been since Russian money but on smaller scale..

Players like vialli gullit and zola didn't join them for their illustrious history!!

I can't even remember when I posted my Chelski rebuttal dude. I'm in no state to argue about anything any more. What you've said makes sense. Sorry.

 

[spursfan1991]

Spurs have massively underachieved since i became a spursfan

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

So let's make EL trophy the aim for this season.

 

[kungfugrip]

history says different mate:

1997 Premier League 6th (59 points from 38 games)
1998 Premier League 4th (63 points from 38 games)
1999 Premier League 3rd (75 points from 38 games)

and FA Cup wins in 96/97 & 99/00 if memory serves

it gives me no pleasure to highlight this, but it's not just oil money is it?

I agree, Chelsea established themselves as a force long before Abramovich. Consistently finishing high in the league, two FA Cups, a League Cup, not forgetting the fact that players like Gullit, Vialli, Zola (mentioning justa few) who came to play for them.

 

[dude573]

But we won the AIA cup

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I just don't think snobbery is the right word at all .

1. I don't need to repeat the figures for EL teams dipping in Prem form when compared to when they were not in that competition . This fact is clear and undeniable.

2. Schneiderlin said clearly he wouldn't be going to just an EL team . It counts to the players , simple as that . VdV came because we were in CL .Players won't see us as a good prospect cos we won the FA Cup ! How can we compete with CL clubs in recruitment ?

3. We haven't come vaguely close to success in EL . Not within a country mile and god knows recent managers have dragged our finest to the furthest reaches of Europe searching for success. Even if we look good after the groups vs other EL teams . Down drop big CL clubs ahead of us . We have been in and around the top 4 for years now . I expect we were even in the top 4 for a nano second or two this season .

4. The EL is 19 matches to win . Precisely half the Prem fixture list . A massive slog .

5. Great , I love the Churchillian speeches about how we should be winning the Prem not just aiming for top 4 . But its just dream/fantasy talk sadly.

6. If we had won the Capital One Cup are you seriously saying you'd be happier now than having a top 4 place and looking forward to next season in CL... the chance to attract exciting players and the extra money ?

Whether we fans are snobbish about the Cups or not , the club isn't . Its generally our senior team that gets knocked out in the cups . Yes , maybe the players aren't doing their best (we struggled even with our piss easy run to the Capital One final).

Maybe the snobbery accusation could be better directed at the players .

1: Hence why one should prioritise EL more, not less. Be in it to win it, not "minimise the terrible effect on the league".
2: Eriksen said he came to the club because of EL. Isn't he the right type of signings for us?
3: We haven't been vaguely close to going for it, believing in it or wanting it.
4: Fewer matches needed to go all the way doesn't sound too bad to me


Side notes: We also dropped points after prolonged breaks this season (breaks of 8-14 days due to internationals etc). Matches directly following COC saw us dropping points too. EL is not the problem. Our approach to EL, viewing it as a burden and a chore, is.

 

[Main Man]

Maybe we need to stop focusing on what Arsenal and Chelsea are doing and focus instead on what we aren't?

It's sad, and incredibly painful, but over the course of a season we can't compete with these two club for various reasons. That has been the case for twenty years in respect of Arsenal, a bit less but similar for Chelsea perhaps.

Levy will get us there though, I am sure of it.

COYS!

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

People say being in the champions league doesn't mean anything if you don't win it but......

Surely there is a direct correlation between consistent presence in the champions league and number of actual trophy wins?

We mocked arsenal for not winning antic for 8 years and they've responded worth two FA Cup wins in two years and seem to be improving on the pitch and off it financially.

I think looking at the bigger picture, IE the wealth and status champions league football brings and, with that, the subsequent success that inevitably comes.