Tottenham Vs Leicester (EPL): Match Thread

[CoopsieDeadpool]

It is pedantic.

The crosses are being made when there is no one in the box; this decision is made by the crosser with the knowledge no one is in the box. This isn't Schrodinger's cat.

EDIT: I did misread the point of the initial post, I thought it was in reference to Davies and Walker slinging in numerous crosses last night to an empty box.

The edit wasn't necessary, as that is what I was talking about, and it's not just limited to last night.

I'll make it easier for you. If we got more players into the box, or got players into the box quicker, would our fullbacks be whipping crosses into an empty area?

And to counter your point, would our fullbacks need to (somehow) stand around & wait for a decent crossing opportunity, if players got into the box quicker & more frequently?

You're suggesting that they should just stand around & wait for players to arrive into the box. I'm sure opposition defenders are going to be more than happy to stand there and do nothing, whilst our fullbacks await a late arrival or two into the area

 

[longtimespur]

Davies did have a good game, and while his crosses are nothing special, they are better than anything Rose ever comes up with. But Rose drives into the box with intention and he makes things happen.

It is all about transitions these days and a cross into a crowded box by an advanced FB can leave a side open to the counter attack.

With Walker in particular I feel he is quite pleased when his crosses are continually blocked for corners, as he can then run back and get in position. And Rose hits them so hard they often go for throw ins on the far side. But again perhaps thinks that is not so bad.

So for me the idea of the FBs providing the width is literally a bit of a dead end. It is a ploy to maintain harmless possession in a corner which at best will be worked back to midfield, then back up the other wing.
And no-one is in the box anyway.

I favour Rose as he will switch with Lamela/Eriksen and drive into the box as the AM should. Things happen.
But I doubt this is part of MP's master plan, and possibly the reason Rose is continually dropped.

I've also wondered why not play both Davies as FB and Rose as WB as a change during a game instead of the usual substitutions? (As mentioned by coopsie above I've just noticed)

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Then do something else with the ball.

Lamela had two great chances from crosses, and should have done better with a cross to Kane first half.

They DO do something else with the ball. They often see there's no crossing opportunity, so they check back & lay off a simple pass to whoever is behind them, backing them up. Guess what happens then? They get slagged off because they played backwards & that's boring as fuck.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I've also wondered why not play both Davies as FB and Rose as WB as a change during a game instead of the usual substitutions? (As mentioned by coopsie above I've just noticed)

Because you're as Batshit crazy as I am old bean

 

[longtimespur]

Because you're as Batshit crazy as I am old bean

Seems logical to me to try something different when we have the opposition parking the bus infront of us. but what do I know.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Seems logical to me to try something different when we have the opposition parking the bus infront of us. but what do I know.

About as much as me by the looks of the last few posts. You poor poor bastard

 

[Jamesbashspur]

Thought we deserved something out of last nights game but for some reason the tempo was around 7/10 rather than 9 or 10.thought delli alli was best player along with Jan tonight.poch must start picking best side I.e Danny Rose n moussa to start and adding something off bench.i thought despite opinions on him Townsend could have been an option off bench as the side lacks pace sometimes.massive game Saturday lucky other teams dropped points.come on you spurs!

 

[Damian99]

I still can't decide if the carry on in the little clip makes me angry or makes me wanna laugh at how comical it is. I do know one thing as a manager they would be getting one hell of a shafting for it though from me.

 

[Conando]

They DO do something else with the ball. They often see there's no crossing opportunity, so they check back & lay off a simple pass to whoever is behind them, backing them up. Guess what happens then? They get slagged off because they played backwards & that's boring as fuck.

We keep the ball, that is what happens.

 

[mattie g]

To be honest i never thought we were dominant over them yes we had a lot of the ball but never looked like scoring imo.

We got punished on a set piece just like sundays game which has been a problem for us this season but upto the last two games we were getting away wit it.
They fully deserved to win again which they should have done in the cup as they so clearly have our number now and i fully expect us to lose again in the replay.

I disagree with this assessment.

In my opinion, we looked much more threatening than they did. We had the ball for far longer and did get the ball into the penalty. We also forced the best save of the game out of Schmeichel. Lamela had two very good chances, as well, and we had a few very good looks from just outside the penalty area.

They had that one series of events when we made a few blocks, but that was a mad scramble, and anything can happen in those situations. It's not like they created it. It was a long ball that fell kindly to them after Toby nodded it down and shit happened from there.

There is no way in my mind that they "deserved" to win that game. They piled men behind the ball and hoped to hit us with a long ball, on a counter, or on a set piece. I think we were better value, but things didn't go our way. Shit happens and we move on.

 

[Conando]

The edit wasn't necessary, as that is what I was talking about, and it's not just limited to last night.

I'll make it easier for you. If we got more players into the box, or got players into the box quicker, would our fullbacks be whipping crosses into an empty area?

And to counter your point, would our fullbacks need to (somehow) stand around & wait for a decent crossing opportunity, if players got into the box quicker & more frequently?

You're suggesting that they should just stand around & wait for players to arrive into the box. I'm sure opposition defenders are going to be more than happy to stand there and do nothing, whilst our fullbacks await a late arrival or two into the area

I haven't suggested they wait around at all, I have simply stated that there is no point in slinging the ball into an empty box.

 

[DiscoD1882]

We keep the ball, that is what happens.

But we wont score goals playing keep ball. football is about scoring. not looking good on the ball. As leicester kind of proved last night.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

EDIT: Removed. It really isn't worth the hassle.

 

[Conando]

But we wont score goals playing keep ball. football is about scoring. not looking good on the ball. As leicester kind of proved last night.

I am suggesting we keep the ball and attempt another avenue of attack, rather than just throwing away possession.

 

[DiscoD1882]

I am suggesting we keep the ball and attempt another avenue of attack, rather than just throwing away possession.

why are you so against players getting into the box??

 

[Hercules]

I disagree with this assessment.

In my opinion, we looked much more threatening than they did. We had the ball for far longer and did get the ball into the penalty. We also forced the best save of the game out of Schmeichel. Lamela had two very good chances, as well, and we had a few very good looks from just outside the penalty area.

They had that one series of events when we made a few blocks, but that was a mad scramble, and anything can happen in those situations. It's not like they created it. It was a long ball that fell kindly to them after Toby nodded it down and shit happened from there.

There is no way in my mind that they "deserved" to win that game. They piled men behind the ball and hoped to hit us with a long ball, on a counter, or on a set piece. I think we were better value, but things didn't go our way. Shit happens and we move on.

The facts are 'shit' always happens, and we are the 'shit' which is the consequence of our end product where it is needed both ends, and now it is beginning to smell (here we go again). Please do not take this metaphor that I am claiming we are shit. I simply mean there is a familiar ring to de-ja-vu as last night proves.

Once and for all we need to eradicate the problem. I hope I am making sense. The problem here is our lack of plan b, lack of killing teams off when we a are on top. Better clinical decision making both ends. Stop conceding so many sloppy goals from set pieces, namely corners.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I haven't suggested they wait around at all, I have simply stated that there is no point in slinging the ball into an empty box.

Whilst I, and a few others, have simply stated that getting more players into the box, and getting them in there quicker, will not only result in more likeliness of us scoring, but also less likeliness of crossing into an empty box.

For some reason, you didn't agree with me/us, yet you've actually indirectly said we were bang on the money, because more players getting into the box (what we said) would result in less chance of balls being whipped into an empty box (what you said)..

See, we got there in the end ..

 

[Conando]

why are you so against players getting into the box??

I made a point in regards to this particular match, frustrated by the number of crosses / attempted crosses into the Leicester box when we had no one in there. That was the ONLY point I was trying to make.

I want all the players in all the boxes scoring all the goals!

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

why are you so against players getting into the box??

Because the box is always empty. If only someone had suggested getting more players into the box!!

 

[Conando]

Whilst I, and a few others, have simply stated that getting more players into the box, and getting them in there quicker, will not only result in more likeliness of us scoring, but also less likeliness of crossing into an empty box.

For some reason, you didn't agree with me/us, yet you've actually indirectly said we were bang on the money, because more players getting into the box (what we said) would result in less chance of balls being whipped into an empty box (what you said)..

See, we got there in the end ..

They are not mutually exclusive points.

I was criticizing the decision of the player to cross when there is no one in the box.

Not the concept of having players in the box, not the concept of the players getting into the box quicker, nor the concept of crossing the ball to them.

But as previous stated: I want all the players in all the boxes scoring all the goals!