Tottenham throw weight behind Pochettino with plans to overhaul squad & staff

[Gaz_Gammon]

I don't think our players are as bad as some think.
Technically they are good but mentally they are poor.
I don't think they realised how difficult it would be to play in the PL.
Not saying we'll get our money back on any of them but they aren't as poor as being painted.

Reading any of Fergie's books and first and foremost (and above skill) he always looked for the right mentality and attitude in a player. First and foremost every time i think he said.

We just look for young, and sell on with the odd Soldado type player who can be brought in similar to the Davids or Parker transfers of years gone by.

To say that some of the players are not as bad as we think because they have skill but are wrong mentally is plain stupid. I'd take a Graham Roberts over fluffy Lamela any day of the week. At the end of the day we have "technical" ability all over the pitch but no balls. That my friend is as obvious as the skid marks on the players underwear every time they face a team wanting a battle for three points.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

We're taking a different approach. Bring in a manager who can work with what we've got...followed by rumours of potentially the most dramatic squad refresh yet. Genius.

I don't think Pochettino has shown anything (and I'm including his spell at Southampton in this) to justify reshaping the whole club to suit him.

Levy didn't do it when we were in the CL so i'll be buggered if he will when Spurs are languishing mid-table.

 

[Metalhead]

Reading any of Fergie's books and first and foremost (and above skill) he always looked for the right mentality and attitude in a player. First and foremost every time i think he said.

We just look for young, and sell on with the odd Soldado type player who can be brought in similar to the Davids or Parker transfers of years gone by.

To say that some of the players are not as bad as we think because they have skill but are wrong mentally is plain stupid. I'd take a Graham Roberts over fluffy Lamela any day of the week. At the end of the day we have "technical" ability all over the pitch but no balls. That my friend is as obvious as the skid marks on the players underwear every time they face a team wanting a battle for three points.

Is it too much to want both?

 

[Metalhead]

Very much so. It's nice to see some history unedited by hindsight and prejudice, for a change.

The other key event that people tend to forget, because it started and ended so swiftly, was that Eden Hazard spent several weeks in spring 2012 blatantly fishing for a transfer to Spurs. Tottenham were the team he would like to play for. Spurs are the exciting, coming thing. We had finished 4th and qualified for the Champions Leage for the second time in 3 years and the balance of power really seemed to be shifting.He was issuing 'come and get me' statements and annoucning his intention to work a transfer to us, in almost exactly as many words.

Then Chelsea won the CL and we were knocked out and, overnight, Chelsea were the club he wanted to join.

It's hard to believe that a team containing Gareth Bale and Eden Hazard, as well as the other top players we had in the squad at that time, would have failed to qualify the following season, whether managed by Redknapp or Villas Boas. And things might have been very different.

The longer we get from the event, Chelsea winning the CL final after being battered all over the park seems like the key moment when we lost our momentum and our focus.



I think it was Sevilla who really told us to do one and that Musacchio re-signed for the money, when he realised that he wasn't going to join us.

As for Fazio, I will keep reiterating that he is not slow. He's way faster than Dawson (whom I miss), it's not even close. It's not balls over the top and into the corner that are causing Fazio problems - I've repeatedly seen him keep up effortlessly with quick attackers who are chasing balls up the channels and shepherd them toward the touchline. His issues have nothing to do with pace. He has a problem with concentration and judgment - a bit like a superior Anthony Gardner. He has made at least one, sometimes two breathtakingly bad decisions in every game I have seen him play for us. For the first two matches he got away with them. Since then, two of them have cauht up with him, hence two red cards. But he is not slow.

I always felt that Hazard never had any serious intention of joining us but obviously I have nothing concrete to base that on.

 

[WestBelfast Spurs]

Mitchell will head a team that uses data and video analysis to comprehensively analyse both the current first-team squad and potential transfer targets as Tottenham look to lower the level of risk in their dealings (anyone else think youtube )

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Most of these players that are supposedly not up to scratch have done really well elsewhere which actually suggests that the problem is the system. You say that every time we come up against serious opposition we get ripped to shreds but don't you actually think playing a defensive high line, having a constantly changing CB pairing and only having a two man central midfield has a lot to do with that?

Understatement of the whole thread.

I do not want to sound condescending Barry but its that not obvious? Isn't it odd that an unqualified coach can have our most expensive player scoring more than a goal a game, and this season with the Messiah in charge non one can score worth a shit? We defend like Lemmings and are as threatening going forward as a lamb attacking a Fox?

The falsehood that 4-2-3-1 is the way forward means that in all likelihood Poch will suffer the same poor ending at Spurs as AVB. Both are stubborn in tactics and cemented in a system that is not working despite the investment of some 130 million (i guess) and a third manager in a couple of seasons.

Management change may be as much to blame as the influx of players, but in all fairness even Pulis made change happen in a dozen or so games, not to mention what Koeman is doing at the very club our current manager came from. You could very well ask was Poch holding the Saints back?

I'd very much like to see him succeed, but he will have to pretty much with what he has, and that means that to do so he simply has to change the system. Is that so hard for him to recognise after months of pretty dire football, and little if any discerning improvement?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Mitchell will head a team that uses data and video analysis to comprehensively analyse both the current first-team squad and potential transfer targets as Tottenham look to lower the level of risk in their dealings (anyone else think youtube )

So given Levy's budget, welcome to your new office desk Mr Mitchell.............

 

[Bobbins]

135m

Made a profit both windows still

 

[worcestersauce]

Reading any of Fergie's books and first and foremost (and above skill) he always looked for the right mentality and attitude in a player. First and foremost every time i think he said..

Hence he didn't snap up Gareth Bale

 

[WestBelfast Spurs]

So given Levy's budget, welcome to your new office desk Mr Mitchell.............

the old BBC computers from school 8' Spurs attack 9' Keeper Saves 10'kick out by Keeper awwww when life was just easy

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Understatement of the whole thread.

I do not want to sound condescending Barry but its that not obvious? Isn't it odd that an unqualified coach can have our most expensive player scoring more than a goal a game, and this season with the Messiah in charge non one can score worth a shit? We defend like Lemmings and are as threatening going forward as a lamb attacking a Fox?

The falsehood that 4-2-3-1 is the way forward means that in all likelihood Poch will suffer the same poor ending at Spurs as AVB. Both are stubborn in tactics and cemented in a system that is not working despite the investment of some 130 million (i guess) and a third manager in a couple of seasons.

Management change may be as much to blame as the influx of players, but in all fairness even Pulis made change happen in a dozen or so games, not to mention what Koeman is doing at the very club our current manager came from. You could very well ask was Poch holding the Saints back?

I'd very much like to see him succeed, but he will have to pretty much with what he has, and that means that to do so he simply has to change the system. Is that so hard for him to recognise after months of pretty dire football, and little if any discerning improvement?

This idea that Poch is stuck to 4-2-3-1 is false. Many players have already given interviews saying we have played 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 at different times this season. Here is one from Chadli http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...truggling-last-season-at-White-Hart-Lane.html

and Eriksen has made similar comments in other interviews.

You need to look deeper than formation. It's the personel employed in whatever formation who that make the difference.

 

[mpickard2087]

This idea that Poch is stuck to 4-2-3-1 is false. Many players have already given interviews saying we have played 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 at different times this season. Here is one from Chadli http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...truggling-last-season-at-White-Hart-Lane.html

and Eriksen has made similar comments in other interviews.

You need to look deeper than formation. It's the personel employed in whatever formation who that make the difference.

I'd agree that its unfair to say Poch hasn't tried to change things, purely if you look at it in terms of formation. He's tried pairing the strikers together, gone 4-3-3 in a couple of games etc. However he hasn't really changed the characteristics of the play... For me personally, its always been very, very narrow and we end up banging our heads against a brick wall trying to play intricate football through the centre of the pitch when we are crying out for some width. With slight changes in formation though, this doesn't seem to change. It doesn't really matter if you are on paper playing a 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2, its what we are trying to do with the ball and how we plan to attack that needs looking at and refining... So far I haven't seen much structure or signs of how we think our best way to attack/score goals is, to be honest.

 

[Bobbins]

Same old promises

Well, totally different promises really, but I agree that I expect the same old result.

 

[Donki]

Reading any of Fergie's books and first and foremost (and above skill) he always looked for the right mentality and attitude in a player. First and foremost every time i think he said.

We just look for young, and sell on with the odd Soldado type player who can be brought in similar to the Davids or Parker transfers of years gone by.

To say that some of the players are not as bad as we think because they have skill but are wrong mentally is plain stupid. I'd take a Graham Roberts over fluffy Lamela any day of the week. At the end of the day we have "technical" ability all over the pitch but no balls. That my friend is as obvious as the skid marks on the players underwear every time they face a team wanting a battle for three points.

Id agree with this, look at a player like Darren Fletcher, average technically but brilliant during a game (when fit granted).

 

[longtimespur]

Reading any of Fergie's books and first and foremost (and above skill) he always looked for the right mentality and attitude in a player. First and foremost every time i think he said.

We just look for young, and sell on with the odd Soldado type player who can be brought in similar to the Davids or Parker transfers of years gone by.

To say that some of the players are not as bad as we think because they have skill but are wrong mentally is plain stupid. I'd take a Graham Roberts over fluffy Lamela any day of the week. At the end of the day we have "technical" ability all over the pitch but no balls. That my friend is as obvious as the skid marks on the players underwear every time they face a team wanting a battle for three points.

1st my friend? my saying that they had ability before they came to us, and still do, is not wrong. Also we obviously were not aware of their mental attributes when signing them so what is so stupid in my saying that? Just because it's obvious now?
Hind-site is brilliant.

2nd Funny but I thought that's what I said in my post?

 

[SteveH]

This will all be a waste of time unless we lift this mood of doom and gloom that some amongst us seem to revel in.
Yes we dont know how this will all pan out, but we have to do our part and lift the cloud of negativity that hangs over our club.
I has nothing to do with players, owners, or Poch and the gang.

We now have such a high level of cynicism amongst the so called fans of this club I really dont know why some watch the game.

I'm beginning to believe that there are some have totally forgotten to enjoy the game.

 

[Farms14]

I for one am quite optimistic for this January window. Both Poch and Levy have stated that the the players mentality is not right. I think we will get rid of more players than we get in and that is fine as we have a bloated squad. Maybe 2-3 players tops and 5-6 out.

 

[HairyHotspur]

This will all be a waste of time unless we lift this mood of doom and gloom that some amongst us seem to revel in.
Yes we dont know how this will all pan out, but we have to do our part and lift the cloud of negativity that hangs over our club.
I has nothing to do with players, owners, or Poch and the gang.

We now have such a high level of cynicism amongst the so called fans of this club I really dont know why some watch the game.

I'm beginning to believe that there are some have totally forgotten to enjoy the game.

That is a load of happy clapping bollocks!

Do you ENJOY getting beaten at home by Stoke?

 

[Barry Mead]

This idea that Poch is stuck to 4-2-3-1 is false. Many players have already given interviews saying we have played 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 at different times this season. Here is one from Chadli http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...truggling-last-season-at-White-Hart-Lane.html

and Eriksen has made similar comments in other interviews.

You need to look deeper than formation. It's the personel employed in whatever formation who that make the difference.

We have still played four across the back, we have still played 2 central mids, we have still constantly changed the CB pairing. you can try and change the attackers around a bit but unless you have a strong base the defence will always get exposed and the service through midfield will struggle. I theory with three behind the striker interchanging you can change your attacking shape which is a good thing, but with an outnumbered and overun central midfield pairing, a high defensive line and a constantly changing CB pairing you really don't have to look deeper than the tactics

 

[Bobbins]

Was he? In comparison to the top four? Hardly / lipservice. It's a decent squad and it's a squad which could do better than it currently is, but there is no way it's anywhere near competing against the teams of the top four. If you think that I'd like some of what you're having!

But, but, he said we have an 'unbelebable sqwa' when he arrived... And the official site said he'd have to work with what we had...