Tottenham Takeover Talk

[Jody]

They might think fuck it if Levy starts moving the goalposts during any negotiations. Well within his rights to get as much possible from any investment but even QSI, despite their wealth, will have a point where they lose their patience.

I think they have a long standing relationship so I’d be surprised if they weren’t already on the same page.

 

[rossdapep]

Yeah there's a big difference to supporting a club for 10, 20, 30 or 40 years and wanting them to win trophies then there is jumping on the bandwagon and supporting a team because they win trophies.

I've supported spurs since I was 5 (thanks to my dad) and have only seen us lift 2 League cups. The second one being an amazing moment.

I've suppprted us when we were hopeless and had the piss ripped oit of me by others and I've supported us under Poch and when we had a strong connection with the club.

At some point though, especially at a club like Tottenham, you do have to have some glory, a day to remember and a moment where you can say "we were better than everyone".

If Tottenham had another spell like under Poch, I'd love it, but it would certainly reach an end point and the Jose/Nuno years were utterly depressing.

A club has to have a level of hope in regards to achievement, all clubs do.

My local club Scarborough had to start afresh having gone bust under previous ownership. It or taken a while for people to really start following them in numbers and really feel the heart of the club again.

Now they are because they are pushing up the divisions and the hope is that get back into league football.

I don't imagine the town would be as buzzing about the club had they just floated the lowest divisions.

Besides with City, Newcastle, United and potentially others around, this isn't some automatic trophy haul so fans won't be supporting for guaranteed trophies, just more chance and hope of winning them cause quite frankly I have zero hope under ENIC

 

[walworthyid]

I was born into an Arsenal family. A Gooner at birth!

It was my stepdad who changed me when I was 6 and I've never regretted it. Well... maybe the invincible season there was a bit of doubt lol.

But I'm a total opposite to a glory seeker!

Same. Mostly gooners and a few Chelsea. Step dad bought me an arsenal hat and scarf when I was 6 but I wouldn't wear it. A mate's mum took us to watch spurs at whl for his birthday in 1981, that was it! Been spurs ever since.

I don't want success this way and I was so proud under poch when we came so close to winning the right way. But it seems inevitable now. Take the blood money or get left behind.

 

[Metalhead]

Have they arrived at the training ground yet?

 

[Spursmatty87]

Has there been any more reports since the other day, to suggest it’s closer.

 

[Metalhead]

Has there been any more reports since the other day, to suggest it’s closer.

No. We still don't have anything concrete that discussions have taken place do we?

 

[Spursmatty87]

No. We still don't have anything concrete that discussions have taken place do we?

Thanks

 

[SheffieldAndy]

I can relate with your sons piss takes…I’m in north east and all my mates support Newcastle! Had to suffer many taunts in the Keegan days after the 7-1’s, 6-1’s and so on!

I can absolutely relate, growing up in the NE and being the only spurs supporter. With my Dad being a season ticket holder at St James’. Add to that my family trawling all over the country to try and get the kits. Could never find the socks…?

 

[Spursfan1414]

That is fine, and I respect your stance on the morality of these situations. I’d also recommend that if someone like me, who is wrestling with this dilemma gets your goat, hit the ignore button. You certainly won’t miss me. I was just openly airing out my internal dilemma. Sorry you think of me as two faced and a hypocrite in admitting those feelings. And sorry you will step back from supporting the team if it happens. But I respect your moral stance.

What I can’t and won’t respect is anyone, and I mean fucking anyone, questioning my principles, morals, or ethics. You don’t know shit about me. So keep the indirect personal attacks to yourself. Taking pot shots at someone who is being open, transparent , and vulnerable in sharing how they are conflicted, is kinda shitty. And is something I have zero respect or tolerance for. So… sorry if that feels like a ‘personal attack’.

Alpha Mike Foxtrot, ‘mate’.

So in your original post you:

Say you’re aware of sportswashing and presumably accept the issues around it

Admit you’ve ”bitched and moaned” about this when it’s happened to other clubs

Now openly welcome possible investment from a similar source.

But you’re really riled up about someone else using the words hypocrite or two faced to describe that? Why?

You said yourself that you feel two faced, what’s the problem exactly? The fact that that other poster agrees with your assessment? Are you confused about why you feel you faced? There’s not exactly much to debate about it is there?

Yeah, if you thought this was really wrong when it happened to City or Newcastle, if you’d still be saying the same things if this potential investment was about Arsenal instead of us, then clearly openly hoping for Qatari investment is a hypocritical stance. That’s not an insult, it’s just too obvious for anyone to pretend otherwise.

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

That is fine, and I respect your stance on the morality of these situations. I’d also recommend that if someone like me, who is wrestling with this dilemma gets your goat, hit the ignore button. You certainly won’t miss me. I was just openly airing out my internal dilemma. Sorry you think of me as two faced and a hypocrite in admitting those feelings. And sorry you will step back from supporting the team if it happens. But I respect your moral stance.

What I can’t and won’t respect is anyone, and I mean fucking anyone, questioning my principles, morals, or ethics. You don’t know shit about me. So keep the indirect personal attacks to yourself. Taking pot shots at someone who is being open, transparent , and vulnerable in sharing how they are conflicted, is kinda shitty. And is something I have zero respect or tolerance for. So… sorry if that feels like a ‘personal attack’.

Alpha Mike Foxtrot, ‘mate’.

Whilst I appreciated your honesty and openness in your original post, It's seems a little ott to get angry when someone simply responds to what you have posted. He is expressing his personal disappointment that some of our fan base, which has held us up as 'different' to other clubs fans based on our morals and desire to do things the right way have done a u-turn the moment the money benefits us. So whilst on the one hand you can be admired for your honesty, on the other hand you did reveal that the previous moral stance you took has now changed once the benefit is to you. You owned that in your original post, but that doesn't mean people won't pick you up on. It's a forum for discussion and you opened yourself up to that.

You are right, he doesn't know shit about you, but he has responded based on what you have posted about you and that is, in this instance your morality can potentially be bought. But you are not alone in this, it's pretty much human nature to change our opinions and look to justify our new opinions when something directly benefits us. Just look at the Newcastle fans and all our disgust at how they could do that and our dismay at how they could then justify it to themselves. Well here we are and we are doing the same thing.

I'm disappointed in some of our fan base too, because all these years we have won nothing the one thing we have had is that we've tried to do things the right way. It's what we've lauded over our rivals and worn as a badge of honour. To come so far, when we are now in a position where we can compete more favourably with the doped up clubs and then sell our soul, is to me really disheartening.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Spurs fans in fickle shock!

 

[McFlash]

So in your original post you:

Say you’re aware of sportswashing and presumably accept the issues around it

Admit you’ve ”bitched and moaned” about this when it’s happened to other clubs

Now openly welcome possible investment from a similar source.

But you’re really riled up about someone else using the words hypocrite or two faced to describe that? Why?

You said yourself that you feel two faced, what’s the problem exactly? The fact that that other poster agrees with your assessment? Are you confused about why you feel you faced? There’s not exactly much to debate about it is there?

Yeah, if you thought this was really wrong when it happened to City or Newcastle, if you’d still be saying the same things if this potential investment was about Arsenal instead of us, then clearly openly hoping for Qatari investment is a hypocritical stance. That’s not an insult, it’s just too obvious for anyone to pretend otherwise.

Why the need for this?
Do you feel better for it?

 

[McFlash]

As long as none of our fans turn up in tea towels, I can't say I'm too bothered either way. ?

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

Yeah there's a big difference to supporting a club for 10, 20, 30 or 40 years and wanting them to win trophies then there is jumping on the bandwagon and supporting a team because they win trophies.

I've supported spurs since I was 5 (thanks to my dad) and have only seen us lift 2 League cups. The second one being an amazing moment.

I've suppprted us when we were hopeless and had the piss ripped oit of me by others and I've supported us under Poch and when we had a strong connection with the club.

At some point though, especially at a club like Tottenham, you do have to have some glory, a day to remember and a moment where you can say "we were better than everyone".

If Tottenham had another spell like under Poch, I'd love it, but it would certainly reach an end point and the Jose/Nuno years were utterly depressing.

A club has to have a level of hope in regards to achievement, all clubs do.

My local club Scarborough had to start afresh having gone bust under previous ownership. It or taken a while for people to really start following them in numbers and really feel the heart of the club again.

Now they are because they are pushing up the divisions and the hope is that get back into league football.

I don't imagine the town would be as buzzing about the club had they just floated the lowest divisions.

Besides with City, Newcastle, United and potentially others around, this isn't some automatic trophy haul so fans won't be supporting for guaranteed trophies, just more chance and hope of winning them cause quite frankly I have zero hope under ENIC

We still have that hope though.

We've been through the most difficult times and are now in a place where we have a much better income stream. We may not be able to compete with the doped up clubs, but you can only field 11 players at a time and with each passing transfer window we have more money to spend.

We also have the stadium naming rights.

Had we been in the position when Sugar sold up and were struggling for survival, I may have seen things differently, but we have one if not the best stadiums in world football, one of the best training grounds and a healthy budget each year.

To me, it's the worst time to sell out after struggling for years and not selling out.

 

[Guernman]

Ultimately, football clubs in this country are too important to and embeded in our culture to have been allowed to become the play things of Arab oil states or Russian Oligarchs clouded in criminal or human rights issues. At the same time I'm not going to criticise anyone on this forum for their views on this, because we are all fans of a club that plays a huge role in our lives. We share the agony, the frustration, the joy, the hope.

It is completely unfair and absurd to expect that the fans of any one club, be it Chelsea, Newcastle or now us, be responsible for regulating or blocking this kind of situation, we are all horribly conflicted, we all have values and beliefs that would be compromised and yet can do nothing about our continued allegiance to our football club.

This should have been stopped long before now by the Premier League, the FA and the government and it is only if and when the ownership of our clubs is properly regulated to reflect the beliefs and values of our wider society that we can prevent these situations and stop money destroying the game we love. I won't hold my breath though.

 

[Gb160]

Ultimately, football clubs in this country are too important to and embeded in our culture to have been allowed to become the play things of Arab oil states or Russian Oligarchs clouded in criminal or human rights issues. At the same time I'm not going to criticise anyone on this forum for their views on this, because we are all fans of a club that plays a huge role in our lives. We share the agony, the frustration, the joy, the hope.

It is completely unfair and absurd to expect that the fans of any one club, be it Chelsea, Newcastle or now us, be responsible for regulating or blocking this kind of situation, we are all horribly conflicted, we all have values and beliefs that would be compromised and yet can do nothing about our continued allegiance to our football club.

This should have been stopped long before now by the Premier League, the FA and the government and it is only if and when the ownership of our clubs is properly regulated to reflect the beliefs and values of our wider society that we can prevent these situations and stop money destroying the game we love. I won't hold my breath though.

You're right on everything here mate. We've surely missed the regulation boat now... With the amount of Arab money floating around in our economy I'd very much doubt any government is going to risk forcing these owners into a sale, because that's what it would take now.

The time for regulation has passed, and we either accept that unsavoury money is part of the game, or we get left behind.
Even if, as fans, we protested and boycotted forcing Enic to scratch the idea, the Qatari's aren't going anywhere, they'll just invest in the next club on their list and we'll be falling even further behind.

 

[Spursfan1414]

Why the need for this?
Do you feel better for it?

Yeah I do. I’d absolutely hate it if this investment goes through, couldn’t be more against it. Other fans support it and that’s their prerogative but those of us on the other side are under 0 obligation to pretend that this isn’t hypocritical.

As far as I can see this thread is to discuss the potential takeover, it’s not a support group for people who are feeling guilty about that.

If we’re going to sell our club to these sorts of people we can at least be honest about it and what it means. If you’re going to come on here and post about how you really want the takeover to happen but feel two faced about it, sorry but you might get some people agreeing with you about that.

 

[cookiemonster]

Part of me would love to see us competing for the best players and despite my moral concerns I reckon I'd get over where the money came from. But ultimately I think I've lost the love for it. Last weekend I didn't even know when our match was until I looked at my phone for something else and saw the goal alert. I couldn't even tell you when this weekend the nld is on!

I've watched virtually every single match we have played for at least the last 20 years!

It just no longer brings me much joy.

That is what the little midget has done to us

I am not even bothered if we lose tomorrow,probably just laugh it off

 

[sundanceyid10]

That is what the little midget has done to us

I am not even bothered if we lose tomorrow,probably just laugh it off

This Midget Out

 

[BorjeSpurs]

That is what the little midget has done to us

I am not even bothered if we lose tomorrow,probably just laugh it off

Yeah let’s hope we lose tomorrow to our biggest rival to dent our season and to help them towards winning the league.

Seriously, if you are indifferent towards tomorrow’s game in the name of ‘Enic out’ then you are not a genuine supporter.