He's going to 25 in a few months - time for him to go somewhere and play actual football.
Not sure he would want to go to a team that is more than likely going down ..
Think he will wait for the Summer for anything permanent.
Not sure he would want to go to a team that is more than likely going down ..
Think he will wait for the Summer for anything permanent.
Best passer in the league, don't you know. Whenever I have intimated in the past, that Carroll should be moved on I'm hit with wtf's and disagrees etc .
I thought when he went to Swansea he couldn't hold down a place in their team? Mind you, they were a bit better then.
Hopefully Chadli can save them.
Just in the telegraph. Tommy to Swansea 8m. starting to spend also on Olson from norwich
I never thought Carroll would make it. I do think Winks will. So to me there is no direct link at all between what Carroll haven't achieved and what one could expect from Winks.Players like Carroll - and indeed Winks - are judged by fans slightly differently to other players.
For some reason, with small, nippy, ball-playing midfielders, we tend to see the most idealised version of that kind of player in our mind's eye, and project that idealisation onto the actual player.
By contrast, we don't look at a bog-standard League 2 hard man and think he's Roy Keane or Patrick Viera. We don't look at a fast, but low-skill semi-pro winger and think he's Bale or Ribery.
And yet, with the buzzy, busy, passy little midfielder, we seem to very quickly think of him as a mini-Modric or Silva or Totti. As if of course that's the level he'll reach just because he's that style of player.
I think Carroll is a good example of this. A talented, good player who's probably PL quality, but who's not really shown himself the same as our most idealised vision of him.
We need to be careful not to do this with Winks. If we're looking a bit stodgy in midfield, people call for Winks to come on, because in their minds' eye they imagine metronomic passing, clever little balls down the channels, fast little accelerations/dribbles that break the line. Well, sure, if the guy is Modric or Scholes that might happen, but if he's a 20 year old who's just broken into the first team, it should not be expected. It may happen, but as we see with Carroll, it's not guaranteed.
Players like Carroll - and indeed Winks - are judged by fans slightly differently to other players.
For some reason, with small, nippy, ball-playing midfielders, we tend to see the most idealised version of that kind of player in our mind's eye, and project that idealisation onto the actual player.
By contrast, we don't look at a bog-standard League 2 hard man and think he's Roy Keane or Patrick Viera. We don't look at a fast, but low-skill semi-pro winger and think he's Bale or Ribery.
And yet, with the buzzy, busy, passy little midfielder, we seem to very quickly think of him as a mini-Modric or Silva or Totti. As if of course that's the level he'll reach just because he's that style of player.
I think Carroll is a good example of this. A talented, good player who's probably PL quality, but who's not really shown himself the same as our most idealised vision of him.
We need to be careful not to do this with Winks. If we're looking a bit stodgy in midfield, people call for Winks to come on, because in their minds' eye they imagine metronomic passing, clever little balls down the channels, fast little accelerations/dribbles that break the line. Well, sure, if the guy is Modric or Scholes that might happen, but if he's a 20 year old who's just broken into the first team, it should not be expected. It may happen, but as we see with Carroll, it's not guaranteed.
Not sure he would want to go to a team that is more than likely going down ..
Think he will wait for the Summer for anything permanent.
Players like Carroll - and indeed Winks - are judged by fans slightly differently to other players.
For some reason, with small, nippy, ball-playing midfielders, we tend to see the most idealised version of that kind of player in our mind's eye, and project that idealisation onto the actual player.
By contrast, we don't look at a bog-standard League 2 hard man and think he's Roy Keane or Patrick Viera. We don't look at a fast, but low-skill semi-pro winger and think he's Bale or Ribery.
And yet, with the buzzy, busy, passy little midfielder, we seem to very quickly think of him as a mini-Modric or Silva or Totti. As if of course that's the level he'll reach just because he's that style of player.
I think Carroll is a good example of this. A talented, good player who's probably PL quality, but who's not really shown himself the same as our most idealised vision of him.
We need to be careful not to do this with Winks. If we're looking a bit stodgy in midfield, people call for Winks to come on, because in their minds' eye they imagine metronomic passing, clever little balls down the channels, fast little accelerations/dribbles that break the line. Well, sure, if the guy is Modric or Scholes that might happen, but if he's a 20 year old who's just broken into the first team, it should not be expected. It may happen, but as we see with Carroll, it's not guaranteed.
The Championship is about his level anyways so don't really see any problems with this. Never been good in any senior match he's played, and he got plenty of opportunities.
Players like Carroll - and indeed Winks - are judged by fans slightly differently to other players.
For some reason, with small, nippy, ball-playing midfielders, we tend to see the most idealised version of that kind of player in our mind's eye, and project that idealisation onto the actual player.
By contrast, we don't look at a bog-standard League 2 hard man and think he's Roy Keane or Patrick Viera. We don't look at a fast, but low-skill semi-pro winger and think he's Bale or Ribery.
And yet, with the buzzy, busy, passy little midfielder, we seem to very quickly think of him as a mini-Modric or Silva or Totti. As if of course that's the level he'll reach just because he's that style of player.
I think Carroll is a good example of this. A talented, good player who's probably PL quality, but who's not really shown himself the same as our most idealised vision of him.
We need to be careful not to do this with Winks. If we're looking a bit stodgy in midfield, people call for Winks to come on, because in their minds' eye they imagine metronomic passing, clever little balls down the channels, fast little accelerations/dribbles that break the line. Well, sure, if the guy is Modric or Scholes that might happen, but if he's a 20 year old who's just broken into the first team, it should not be expected. It may happen, but as we see with Carroll, it's not guaranteed.