The Rugby Thread

[E17yid]

I think it can still work. You go through this phase of having a load of red/yellow cards which people get up in arms about then players adapt.

If you think, this world cup we have had hardly any of those incidents where people get turned off balance in the air and land on their head/neck/back. That used to be pretty common.

But what if all this does is increase the number of concussions. What then?

 

[E17yid]

The other thing is that one of the most common ways to get a turnover is to stand a ball carrier up in a tackle and forcing a maul. This tends to happen more when you have a big tackler up against a smaller ball carrier. Obviously this requires the tackler to not bend at the waist at all.

 

[teok]

Yeah I genuinely don't know the answer to that.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Those are all fair points which I agree with I just think intent should be crucial in determining whether it’s a red or not. You could even chuck in something like was it reckless which would cover the incidents that weren’t intentional but still resulted in a big blow to the head. I guess the problem there is the word reckless is more open to interpretation whereas intent isn’t. 9/10 you can spot intent from a mile off.

To be fair they already do have the concept of 'mitigation' so if the intent is to go low and the player is falling, you probably won't get a red.

In this world cup I think all of the red cards so far have been justified, so the problem is with the players and the coaching at the moment.

 

[talkshowhost86]

The other thing is that one of the most common ways to get a turnover is to stand a ball carrier up in a tackle and forcing a maul. This tends to happen more when you have a big tackler up against a smaller ball carrier. Obviously this requires the tackler to not bend at the waist at all.

I think the laws generally will start to favour the shorter/stockier forwards rather than the huge tall lunks.

It's their own fault for being so damn tall anyway. Just stop growing you dangerous bastards!

 

[Japhet]

The good thing about rugby is that the rules are constantly evolving for the good of the game and will always do so. The scrummaging laws have had a total revamp now because collapsing scrums were commonly the cause of serious neck injuries and use of the boot in the ruck was causing problems as well. Some of it looks pretty tame now compared to when I played but I think the game has been vastly improved for players and spectators alike.

 

[talkshowhost86]

But what if all this does is increase the number of concussions. What then?

Helmets!

 

[JCRD]

RSA will get a hundred here

 

[Arnoldtoo]

I think the laws generally will start to favour the shorter/stockier forwards rather than the huge tall lunks.

It's their own fault for being so damn tall anyway. Just stop growing you dangerous bastards!

Cool.

The English pack, 2023?

Spoiler

 

[Arnoldtoo]

RSA will get a hundred here

I think they should probably swap a few players at half time.

Edit: Maybe before.

 

[E17yid]

To be fair they already do have the concept of 'mitigation' so if the intent is to go low and the player is falling, you probably won't get a red.

In this world cup I think all of the red cards so far have been justified, so the problem is with the players and the coaching at the moment.

Under the current framework they’ve all been justified I agree, but personally I think Lavanini should’ve got a yellow.

I’m also in 2 minds about the first Samoan incident. Obviously nothing happened at the time and he got a retrospective red card but I think it’s more of a yellow. That one was borderline, though.

The Samoan Hooker and the Yank 100% red cards in my book

 

[E17yid]

Reece Hodge one was borderline too. Stonewall yellow maybe a red. I’d probably lean towards a yellow there instead of the red he was given retrospectively

 

[Arnoldtoo]

Canada red card fair enough there.

That's not going to improve their chances!

 

[talkshowhost86]

Under the current framework they’ve all been justified I agree, but personally I think Lavanini should’ve got a yellow.

I’m also in 2 minds about the first Samoan incident. Obviously nothing happened at the time and he got a retrospective red card but I think it’s more of a yellow. That one was borderline, though.

The Samoan Hooker and the Yank 100% red cards in my book

Strangely Lavanini has been given a longer ban than the American. I think both were reds, but I certainly thought the US one was worse.

 

[E17yid]

Strangely Lavanini has been given a longer ban than the American. I think both were reds, but I certainly thought the US one was worse.

Yeah, as teok was saying yesterday, it’s probably because he’s not got a great track record.

 

[E17yid]

Canada red card fair enough there.

That's not going to improve their chances!

I’ll be the judge of that when I watch it later.

 

[UncleBuck]

Some of the tackles look a lot worse because the ball carrier is ducking into the hit.
I just don’t see how they can implement no tackling above waist height though, you’ll end up with 10 v 10 every week!
It’s the ramifications on the rest of the game though, are they talking about ‘the hit’ (like the Lawes one above) as opposed to ‘a block’ when the oppo have the ball?

 

['O Zio]

Some of the tackles look a lot worse because the ball carrier is ducking into the hit.
I just don’t see how they can implement no tackling above waist height though, you’ll end up with 10 v 10 every week!

They already legislate for the ball carrier ducking into the hit (theoretically anyway) and they're also trying to discourage people from tacking right "at the limit".

I agree about waist height though. That would be a step too far and would make the game almost unwatchable IMO.

 

[E17yid]

Canada red card fair enough there.

That's not going to improve their chances!

You were correct.

Another incident that was clearly intentional. I’d actually hand out bans a lot longer than 3 weeks for that kind of shit.

 

[teok]

French have revolted and that is when they at their most dangerous. Put out their strongest possible team:


15. Médard ; 14. Penaud, 13. Vakatawa, 12. Fickou, 11. Huget ; 10. Ntamack, 9. Dupont ; 7. Ollivon, 8. Alldritt, 6. Lauret ; 5. Vahaamahina, 4. Le Roux ; 3. Slimani, 2. Guirado (cap.), 1. Poirot.

I'd still rest any one that needs it for england. No half fit players getting crocked.