The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Khilari]

Though in fairness two haven't.

Yes, I guess - but more of a recent problem? Perhaps as a younger player he didn't have as many extra-footballing problems and could concentrate on playing more.

 

[Khilari]

In another thread I saw a Leicester fan saying that Spurs were trying to play like Barcelona with (and I paraphrase) a bunch of bog ordinary players. And that is kind of the nub of the problem, the brand of football to which AVB and Poch are wedded to can be effective AND entertaining IF you have the best footballers in the league. In the Premiership on our budget that is not going to happen. But I do believe that within our resources we could adopt another style of play that would achieve results just as good as we have had under these two without boring our arses off.

I like this post a lot - I think you can argue that the 'best' managers / coaches are not necessarily the ones who get a team playing attractive football or a certain style, but in fact the ones who can spot where the team's existing strengths and weaknesses are and play to those strengths and try to get over the weaknesses.

I do like the ideas Pochettino has, but you're right perhaps (at this stage at least) they are unachievable and in fact he'd be better off not trying to shoehorn the current crop into his ideal system but identify what we do well and build on that.

Though not a popular choice as a manager for a team like Spurs, where we are obsessed with attractive football, someone like Tony Pulis and even Sam Allardyce to a certain extent have done that where they've gone (though with varying degrees of success) as has Alan Pardew. I think Harry Redknapp did that with us.

 

[Lilbaz]

i know a lot of you dislike avb but remember he lost van der vaart & modric and had them replaced by dembele and dempsey. i'm surprised he didn't go postal

Have you read vdv's interview? AVB told him he wasn't part of his plans and wouldn't start. So vdv looked for a transfer.

Avb wanted hulk and moutinho both of whom wanted over £100k a week and would have cost a fortune. All the while he had our only player on £100k a week training with the youth team.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

He didn't lose VDV, VDV left after a bad start with AVB

Have you read vdv's interview? AVB told him he wasn't part of his plans and wouldn't start. So vdv looked for a transfer.

All the while he had our only player on £100k a week training with the youth team.

The truth is probably in between those statements. I believe VDV himself said there were several reasons, also personal.
However, it does sound like AVB did manage that situation peculiarly.

When it comes to Adebayor, I think last season showed clearly that AVB wasn't the only one at fault in that whole drama.

 

[Lilbaz]

The truth is probably in between those statements. I believe VDV himself said there were several reasons, also personal.
However, it does sound like AVB did manage that situation peculiarly.

When it comes to Adebayor, I think last season showed clearly that AVB wasn't the only one at fault in that whole drama.

Not saying avb shouldn't have made ade train with the kids. But levy must think to himself harry managed to get ade and benni playing. Who's to say if i spend £25m and £100k a week on moutinho that avb wont fall out with him?
When we got the bale money we backed him but the year before we had to replace hellboy, king, modric and vdv with only the money from modric and vdv. If we had bought moutinho that would have left £15m for a goalie, defender and attacking mid. Who could we have got?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Not saying avb shouldn't have made ade train with the kids. But levy must think to himself harry managed to get ade and benni playing. Who's to say if i spend £25m and £100k a week on moutinho that avb wont fall out with him?
When we got the bale money we backed him but the year before we had to replace hellboy, king, modric and vdv with only the money from modric and vdv. If we had bought moutinho that would have left £15m for a goalie, defender and attacking mid. Who could we have got?

You are pointing to what I believe is the centrepiece in the entire AVB drama.
Upon hiring AVB, Levy probably didn't portray the club's intentions honestly in an attempt to lure AVB in, and AVB probably didn't give an honest account of his expectations.
Anyway, we are straying too far, so I'll stop commenting on any AVB topic in this thread.

On Pochettino, I believe it is time for him to experiment with giving up possession. I know "forsaking possession" and "Pochettino" is a bit of an oxymoron. "Football" to him is indeed "possessionball".
However, after 1 season and 3 games, it is blatantly clear that we don't have the players who can both be that possession oriented AND play attractive football.

Try it out vs. Everton. Forsake possession all together, and demand of the players wise movements, decisive passing and 3 points.

 

[Jimmyjimmyo]

We can't give up possession as any team that runs at us scares our boys shitless, we will get smashed if we try to let any team play onto us especially Everton at the moment

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

We can't give up possession as any team that runs at us scares our boys shitless, we will get smashed if we try to let any team play onto us especially Everton at the moment

Don't know about that.
Have possession -> players become afraid of making mistakes and loosing the ball, so they opt for the safe (backwards) passes.
No possession -> less chance of fucking up, so you can lower your shoulders, concentrate about pressing the opponent into making mistakes, make bolder more creative decisions, and maybe create something moving forward.

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

Have you read vdv's interview? AVB told him he wasn't part of his plans and wouldn't start. So vdv looked for a transfer.

Avb wanted hulk and moutinho both of whom wanted over £100k a week and would have cost a fortune. All the while he had our only player on £100k a week training with the youth team.

No one wants to hear that sort of stuff mate. It was Levy's fault that the Moutinho deal didn't happen, because of <reasons>, OK?

 

[SamR]

In another thread I saw a Leicester fan saying that Spurs were trying to play like Barcelona with (and I paraphrase) a bunch of bog ordinary players. And that is kind of the nub of the problem, the brand of football to which AVB and Poch are wedded to can be effective AND entertaining IF you have the best footballers in the league. In the Premiership on our budget that is not going to happen. But I do believe that within our resources we could adopt another style of play that would achieve results just as good as we have had under these two without boring our arses off.

Great Post - totally Agree! And even with the additions of Berahino and a DM I still don't think we'll have the team for it.

 

[Gb160]

In another thread I saw a Leicester fan saying that Spurs were trying to play like Barcelona with (and I paraphrase) a bunch of bog ordinary players.

Weren't u impressed with Southampton under Poch?....they were hardly the 'best players in the league'

 

[yankspurs]

The truth is probably in between those statements. I believe VDV himself said there were several reasons, also personal.
However, it does sound like AVB did manage that situation peculiarly.

When it comes to Adebayor, I think last season showed clearly that AVB wasn't the only one at fault in that whole drama.

VDV left because he didnt understand AVB's talk at all. He had to show AVB his qualities if he wanted to play and be first choice. Just like every player should. Coupled with the personal issues, VDV decided to leave.

Wrt Ade, I think it couldnt have been any clearer that Ade was the culprit there. He got himself ostracized where ever he's been.

 

[SteveH]

No one wants to hear that sort of stuff mate. It was Levy's fault that the Moutinho deal didn't happen, because of <reasons>, OK?

<reasons>= £175k per week

 

[eddiebailey]

Weren't u impressed with Southampton under Poch?....they were hardly the 'best players in the league'

Based on their collective transfer fees finishing seventh hardly represented overachievement.

Poch's teams can be attractive when the opposition let them be, and at Soton that was often the case. It is no coincidence that our best performances have been against Arsenal and Chelsea, who treat us with zero respect and ocassionally get caught out, as opposed to weaker teams, who might have been less cagey against Soton, but park the bus against us. It is cracking open the bus parkers that you need exceptional flair to play possession football. Or to just be very dogged; we tend to be dogged.

 

[eddiebailey]

VDV left because he didnt understand AVB's talk at all. He had to show AVB his qualities if he wanted to play and be first choice.

Everyone knew his qualities.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Based on their collective transfer fees finishing seventh hardly represented overachievement.

They actually even finished 8th.
And I agree, in that specific season, finishing 8th was a pretty average result. It didn't need magic.

 

[Donki]

VDV left because he didnt understand AVB's talk at all. He had to show AVB his qualities if he wanted to play and be first choice. Just like every player should. Coupled with the personal issues, VDV decided to leave.

Wrt Ade, I think it couldnt have been any clearer that Ade was the culprit there. He got himself ostracized where ever he's been.

Did VdV not say recently that AVB point blankly said that Siggy would be his first choice in that position and then VdV decided to look for another club, when AVB came back to tell VdV he was still in his plans it was too late?

 

[SNAFU_Clarke]

<reasons>= £175k per week

Seriously? Does everything on here have to be spelled out completely?

 

[SteveH]

Seriously? Does everything on here have to be spelled out completely?

Yes.......irony does not work the majority of times.

spell it out

 

[tttcowan]

Did VdV not say recently that AVB point blankly said that Siggy would be his first choice in that position and then VdV decided to look for another club, when AVB came back to tell VdV he was still in his plans it was too late?

More evidence that the brightest managers in football have no clue what they're doing at all.

Heard Poch said something along those lines to Lennon as well. This kind of thing is really cracking man management. Really intelligent.