The Naming Rights Thread

[sherbornespurs]

It’s not a name which lends itself easily to be mocked by rival fans so it passes that crucial test for me

Tottphlegm Hotspur

 

[Albertbarich]

£35m a year is double what Man City get, and would be more than the top 3 deals in european football combined (at least as at the date of this KPMG article from September 2020).

Football Benchmark - Stadium Sponsorship – an unexploited field of play

footballbenchmark.com

That sounds too good to be true.

To be fair that NFL exposure would be huge. No other club in Europe can boast that sort of double branding for their stadium.

 

[sherbornespurs]

It’s not a name which lends itself easily to be mocked by rival fans so it passes that crucial test for me

Mucus Moura.

 

[NayimFTHL]

Just falls short of the slave trader antisemite test for me, though.

So Qataris are now anti-semites? ?

 

[Trix]

More I think about more unlikely it feels to me. They saw the backlash with the super league. They’d have to be idiots to realise this wouldn’t be controversial. In regard to £35m it does seem bit high, but there’s simply no other stadium to measure it against. No other stadium in the world will have PL + NFL massive boxing bouts and lady gaga concerts it’s a totally unique product.

Dunno mate. I'm not a fan of the Qatari's and their operating practices but this won't see anything like the size of protests the ESL did. In all honesty I think it will barely register. As for the proposed value.... With NFL, box office ppv boxing events and televised stadium concerts they'll be overall be hitting a far bigger audience than basically any other stadiums and that's not taking into account aligning their premium brand with what is arguably the number one state of the art stadium in the world.

 

[Matthew]

So, how do we pronounce Qatar?

I know the US uses the pronunciation of "cutter" but is that correct or just them being american?

cat-are

 

[Danfunkel]

Now, Ive never been comfortable with how the countries these companies come from operate, and how they treat their people, however I also understand this is business and a figure like that is a phenomenal one, and not to be sniffed at.

Also, I bet you most of the people who would shout so loudly against a company like this having an association with Spurs, are also the same people right now kicking off in the Kounde thread, or the Romero thread that we never spend big enough and will never be one of the 'elite'.

Well, here's your solution, chaps.

 

[Amo]

Now, Ive never been comfortable with how the countries these companies come from operate, and how they treat their people, however I also understand this is business and a figure like that is a phenomenal one, and not to be sniffed at.

Also, I bet you most of the people who would shout so loudly against a company like this having an association with Spurs, are also the same people right now kicking off in the Kounde thread, or the Romero thread that we never spend big enough and will never be one of the 'elite'.

Well, here's your solution, chaps.

I love how people paint the choice as a zero-sum one between elite-level performance via association with states like Qatar and Sunday League obscurity sans any form of financial support.

So Qataris are now anti-semites? ?

The State of Qatar, which owns QA and uses it as a subsidised image laundering vehicle? Yes, they're anti-semites.

What do you think the £35m, if true, would be buying, precisely? It isn't awareness for the airline's generous frequent flyer program.

 

[Saoirse]

So Qataris are now anti-semites? ?

Yes, I would say the Qatari government is antisemitic.

Qatari Government Promotes Textbook Teaching that Jews Seek World Domination | Anti-Defamation League (adl.org)

"the book teaches that Zionism “has managed to convince most of the Jews in the world of two things: First, to set up a state for the Jews in Palestine. Second, Jewish control over the entire world until it is their dominion.”.... Judaism is an “invalid, perverted religion” and that the Torah teaches Jews to kill, steal, deceive, and engage in racial supremacy"

They're also incredibly bigoted and dangerous to LGBT people. They're meant to be a tourist destination, but we're not remotely safe there. My trans friends avoid even flights that use it as a layover, because if they were put through a body scanner they'd face years in prison or worse.

Did I forget to mention the enslavement and endangerment of immigrant workers?

 

[Trix]

Thing is most companies willing to part with the money we are talking about will have some shade that will upset some people.

Unless Greenpeace has a huge advertising fund we don't know about I think somewhere down the line we will have to accept some objection due to their practices.

I get from a moral standpoint this is an issue. From a financial pov I doubt we'd get better.

 

[Saoirse]

Thing is most companies willing to part with the money we are talking about will have some shade that will upset some people.

Unless Greenpeace has a huge advertising fund we don't know about I think somewhere down the line we will have to accept some objection due to their practices.

I get from a moral standpoint this is an issue. From a financial pov I doubt we'd get better.

There's moral objections and moral objections though, aren't there? I mean, Joe Lewis hardly made his cash through being whiter-than-white, but he's not an egregious antisemite and homophobe who's idea of a positive PR project is killing 6,500 migrant workers en route to hosting a World Cup. And to be honest I think the objections to the Arab states are even more pertinent given our proud history of being the Yids.

 

[SandroClegane]

i dont know if kramer on ftl has any previous itk record but anyway:
Apparently naming rights close with Qatar Airways which pissed off the chap who told me as he was involved in trying to broker the deal two years ago and levy pulled the plug then for some reason
Hopefully true as we need the extra 35m a season or whatever the figure is

pinch of salt needed her i think

Would directly contradict the info I've been given. Levy never pulled the plug, it was the company that pulled the plug after the pandemic started.

 

[Saoirse]

Would directly contradict the info I've been given. Levy never pulled the plug, it was the company that pulled the plug after the pandemic started.

Would make sense if they blamed that internally on Levy though, and if they were interested again now the pandemic is (touch wood) coming towards an end in richer countries. Especially as they obviously have the money to operate at a loss for a time in order to try and come out of the pandemic as an even bigger player in the market than they were a couple of years back.

 

[whitesocks]

Dunno mate. I'm not a fan of the Qatari's and their operating practices but this won't see anything like the size of protests the ESL did. In all honesty I think it will barely register. As for the proposed value.... With NFL, box office ppv boxing events and televised stadium concerts they'll be overall be hitting a far bigger audience than basically any other stadiums and that's not taking into account aligning their premium brand with what is arguably the number one state of the art stadium in the world.

Surely for these NFL games, any sponsorship will be covered up. Without knowing who the main NFL partners are, I'd guess airlines feature heavily, and they would not want QA sneaking in through the back door.
I may have written similar on the British airways rumour, Or argued the opposite. That's the way I roll.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Dunno mate. I'm not a fan of the Qatari's and their operating practices but this won't see anything like the size of protests the ESL did. In all honesty I think it will barely register. As for the proposed value.... With NFL, box office ppv boxing events and televised stadium concerts they'll be overall be hitting a far bigger audience than basically any other stadiums and that's not taking into account aligning their premium brand with what is arguably the number one state of the art stadium in the world.

I concur 100% with the highlighted text, i would personally hope we dont go down the Qatari lead route

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Would directly contradict the info I've been given. Levy never pulled the plug, it was the company that pulled the plug after the pandemic started.

I thought they might be interested when I flew with them a couple of years ago and they had the spurs documentary on the entertainment system and nothing much else football wise.

 

[Metalhead]

Yes, I would say the Qatari government is antisemitic.

Qatari Government Promotes Textbook Teaching that Jews Seek World Domination | Anti-Defamation League (adl.org)

"the book teaches that Zionism “has managed to convince most of the Jews in the world of two things: First, to set up a state for the Jews in Palestine. Second, Jewish control over the entire world until it is their dominion.”.... Judaism is an “invalid, perverted religion” and that the Torah teaches Jews to kill, steal, deceive, and engage in racial supremacy"

They're also incredibly bigoted and dangerous to LGBT people. They're meant to be a tourist destination, but we're not remotely safe there. My trans friends avoid even flights that use it as a layover, because if they were put through a body scanner they'd face years in prison or worse.

Did I forget to mention the enslavement and endangerment of immigrant workers?

Same in Saudi Arabia.

 

[SandroClegane]

Would make sense if they blamed that internally on Levy though, and if they were interested again now the pandemic is (touch wood) coming towards an end in richer countries. Especially as they obviously have the money to operate at a loss for a time in order to try and come out of the pandemic as an even bigger player in the market than they were a couple of years back.

I also don't believe it was Qatar Airlines.

Edit: The club also employed multiple agencies to get this deal done so there's a chance the source here was a previous agency, and my source was in the most recent one to be used.

 

[Saoirse]

Same in Saudi Arabia.

Yep, if anything they're worse

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Aside from Qatar providing a lot of assistance to Hamas & other terror groups...I think I'm fine with it.